Targon Themes: Old and New

Talos of Altmora··5 votes·1,767 views
Saying goodbye to the Lore and League

I honestly expected that post that I linked to be my last ever. Honestly, I tried to keep it out of my head, started to get into Battleborn, Overwatch, and Heroes of the Storm, and tried to start writing my book. Around the same time however, I figured out why I have such a big problem with the Targon lore; the new lore goes against both the old lore in story, but also the themes that the original lore represents.

Now, Let's start Pantheon. You can track down my other post on the Targon thing on the forms for my option of his story, but let's compare and contrast. I admit that the character has always needed fleshing out. However, I always thought of him as the average human of targon. He was a normal Targonian, a member of a warrior tribe of Spartans. He viewed war and fighting as an art unto itself. (and presumably his culture as well) This actually made me curious about his relationship with Leona, because while they were friends they had a different philosophy and had taken very different paths in life.

New!Panth is... a strange one. I want to save my thoughts on the aspects as a whole for later, but I will say that they have made him an Eldar Phoenix Lord, not to mention that he also comes across as a horrible person. He took over Atreus's body and "killed" him (yes, yes I know his tale isn't over yet, but it seems like an asspull for him to come back. the third person, all-knowing narrator says that he's in the afterlife). He saved people, but at the same time he "Killed" Atreus and it's stated that he did this before with multiple people. He also is the one put in charge of Sol when he was sent to destroy a void portal. And he was incinerated. I much preferred him as a badass normal, and In fact Atreus was a pretty good Panth, if panth was just a title that he earned by going up the mountain and climbing down, It would be better received by me (and some old fans, i'd imagine)

Diana was once one of the deepest and most intriguing characters of old targon. I think it's because her origin is very relatable. She was a scholar, and felt isolated by her peers due to her enjoying the moonlight better. While studying some old tomes, she discovers the Lunari cult. She personally goes out and finds a suit of armor and a khoseph ( Which, as an Egyptian sword, so perhaps the Solari and Lunari once had connectsions to shurima.) However, when showing the evidence to the Solari elders, they capture her for heresy. She was about to be executed, but she cried out for help. The moon answered. Diana felt betrayed, she hated the Solari, but at the same time she seems to just want people to understand that the moon has power as well, and that the sun burns and hurts it's followers. She was a scholar, a thinker who did the work herself. She had been betrayed by people who may or may not have raised her, and she is complete responsible for her actions that she took to get vengeance. In a way, she became just as bad as the elders.

New!Diana, however, feels like a dialed down version of her old self. In fact I think she just a hipster. She grew up with Solari faith (because her parents died in the mountains... I swear, what do writers have against parents?) but then started to question it. She got a clue from an old book, (which she only found out because she was punished for having an argument) and that started her climb. The Moon aspect guided held her hand through finding the rest of the old Lunari stuff, and goes back to the Solari Temple. It goes down similarly with the Solari in the old lore, but the moon aspect takes her over and murdered everyone in the room... except for the Sun Aspects future host. This new Diana comes across, as I've said, as a hipster, who only rejected the sun because it was cooler. She only found one clue, and it was by dumb luck. She isn't completely out of character, but it's weird that her old lore created a deeper character with themes of betrayal, sadness and tragity than the new lore, which was significantly longer and yet felt like I was reading about a self-insert fan character.

Linda (I am not calling her Leona) Is by far my most hated character, Leona was once a very realistic person. She wants to do good, but she has her doubts if it's truly the best for Targon. She wants to show the people of Targon a new way, but was unsure of how they would accept it. She was compassionate, but not spineless, she was courageous, but she had her doubts and fears for the future, she would be willing to lay down her life for her friends if it should ever come to it, and was one of my favorite characters because she was someone relatable, but also very inspiring.

Linda however, was a monster until she met her parasite. She was willing to kill Diana, someone who she hardly knew, for presenting facts to the Solari elders. She is cold, the warmth of the old Leona completely gone and replaced with someone who would kill me if I so much as dared to share my ideas, because it would be heresy. She is implied to be a lapdog to the elders. My major problem with this is because Jaredan says that she was indoctrinated (and no, not the Reaper kind... although that would make way too much sense.) but here's the problem; she was raised in a warrior culture, and even then Linda displayed compassion to something that she considered a monster. It's easier to indoctrinate a child than someone who was vaguely a teenager. Not to mention that if you want someone who pulls off the whole "Indoctrinated all her life but through her actions for the group found they aren't as good as they say they are" kind of story, I think Symmetra does it a lot better. When she does meet her new parasite, she changes her tune. It's a Deus ex Machine to get her in the place the lore team wanted her, and nothing more. As a fan of Leona, it is the worst thing the lore team has ever done to a character.

Sol's gonna be brief, because he has nothing to contrast to. Instead, I will say that the only thing that connects it to him is the sun and.... that's pretty much it. He's a spirit like Bard and Kindred, he shouldn't be connect to one place any more then they should. In fact, with a bit of tweaking they could probably just make him back into a storm dragon like his original concept. Other than that, he's pretty good concept wise. Honestly, I think the lore team should have left well enough alone and just focus of new characters, they are better at that then anything else.

Speaking of new Characters let's talk about Taric. Again, I wouldn't compare him to the original (because old!taric shared Panth's problem of needing fleshing out.) But I will say that I rather liked him at the beginning of the story. I think he suffered problems in the fact that he comes across as a bit smug. Really though, I wish he was the only aspect and that the concept was completely unrelated to targon.

And now on to the aspects. They do not fit in league. That's all I have to say. However, I will say they are perhaps the most horrifying thing in the lore. Pantheon demonstrates that he can remove the soul from the body, and has done so multiple times. The Lunari Aspect seems to be trying to control Diana, and the Sun aspect managed to change Linda's mind from killing Diana (and I would like to remind you that Linda that her hatred was so strong IT ENABLED HER TO CLIMB TARGON WITHOUT REST.). They come across as parasites, slowly killing the host's freewill and personality until it fits there needs. The only one who escapes this is the protector, but even he is suspect to me.

The Old Targon lore had a beautiful story just waiting for the lore team to tell it. But now it will never come to be. This is why I had to leave, because the lore team doesn't seem to care about the old. I don't mean that they are horrible to this, I know they ultimately just want to write a good story for us to enjoy, but if it comes at the sacrifice of the old stories, then i'm sorry, but this is not League.

I've been thinking of writing another post on league lore, just to share my thoughts on other characters. I wanted to disscuss things like the conflicts in league, other reworks, and things like that. I'll try to post it sometime later this week. Until then, thank you for reading, please share your thoughts below.

29 Comments

LordHippoman9 votes

"And now on to the aspects. They do not fit in league. "

League is a game that features a hamster in a helicopter flying around with an ice bird, a fat man who drinks beer to power up, a priestess who bashes ghosts over the head with a rock, a spectral centaur, Death itself, an otherworldly monster eyeball scientist, a werewolf, a blood mage, a Bird Emperor, at least two robots, a rock man, a sniper police chief, a hamster with a blowgun, and whatever the hell Bard is.

"Weird Space Entity" isn't really a place to draw the line. Especially when, pre-rework, Taric, Nasus, and Renekton were all "Weird Thing From Space", and technically, so are Kayle, Morgana, and Malphite.

Sharjo4 votes

Personally I'd kinda like some more Space Targonian perspectives, and to hear more on what they're like and what they think. Further interactions between the Aspects and their human hosts would be something I'd enjoy seeing, since I feel like they'd be doing themselves a favour actually communicating with their chosen humans.

Unless your Pantheon, though I could see a very Ling/Greed relationship doing on there between him and Atreus.

Warlord Dienekes3 votes

Personally I'd like to see the entire space Targonians wiped out or pushed off of Runeterra for good with the normal people telling them to take their problems with Sol and their civil war with them.

Not going to happen, of course. But I can dream.

Sharjo2 votes

Yeah not a chance of happening, considering the Void is everybody's problem.

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

I man can dream. A beautiful dream of a story that was about the inter-relation of a bunch of characters and changing religions, developing cultures, and had conflicts that weren't solved by the random sudden infusion of pretty much gods to solve problems and be the plot.

GreenLore2 votes

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had conflicts that weren't solved by the random sudden infusion of pretty much gods to solve problems and be the plot.

You mean like when leona was about to face punishment for going against the law of the rakkor? Or when Diana faced the wrath of the solari elders for not following their rules?

Warlord Dienekes3 votes

True, and I think those stories are a bit weaker for it. But I would say, that is the set up for the actual story. The point a hero gets their powers is often pretty dumb. Parker getting bit by a random spider in the worlds worst organized lab. Space rays hitting the Fantastic Four. It's pretty bad.

But that's not the real conflict. That's the background. The real conflict is between Peter Parker and Norman Osborn and they both have to match wits against each other. Or Mr Fantastic and Dr Doom and the whole group of troubles they faced.

For the old Targon lore the actual plot was going to be the big beat 'em up between Diana and Leona the stakes were the religious affiliation of all of Targon. And while I would accept the gods granting them powers at the start, if in the middle of that conflict the deities actually showed up and mind controlled them into being friends I would have called that the biggest asspull I had ever read.

And yet, that's exactly what happened to Leona. She got her powers which came with the not-deity forcibly altering her mind to change the relationship between her and Diana.

Which, then, of course you can argue that this signifies a change in the focus of the narrative. The original was Diana vs Leona the new is the space Targs and Sol and the Void.

But the thing is. I was invested in the old story. And nothing about the Space Targs we have learned has made me in any way interested in them or their problems. In fact the more you look at them the bigger assholes they become and why they would ever bother with dealing with possessing humans is not addressed because it really doesn't make sense. Until it of course will be explained away that their magic just works like that. Because as of now the Space Targs aren't characters, they never should have been characters in the first place. The conflict was a very human one between two people. But now it's so much vastly bigger than that so it relies on the not-gods to make the story work. Only when you read the lores, even now, the story focuses on these people who don't matter to the story. Diana and Leona and Atreus are vessels for the Space Targs to work through. But where the old were working on their own thoughts and opinions and trying to do what they thought was right. The new actually have the not-gods in their heads directing them and to me that is inherently less interesting a character.

GreenLore1 votes

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True, and I think those stories are a bit weaker for it. But I would say, that is the set up for the actual story. The point a hero gets their powers is often pretty dumb. Parker getting bit by a random spider in the worlds worst organized lab. Space rays hitting the Fantastic Four. It's pretty bad.

But that's not the real conflict. That's the background. The real conflict is between Peter Parker and Norman Osborn and they both have to match wits against each other. Or Mr Fantastic and Dr Doom and the whole group of troubles they faced.

For the old Targon lore the actual plot was going to be the big beat 'em up between Diana and Leona the stakes were the religious affiliation of all of Targon. And while I would accept the gods granting them powers at the start, if in the middle of that conflict the deities actually showed up and mind controlled them into being friends I would have called that the biggest asspull I had ever read.

And yet, that's exactly what happened to Leona. She got her powers which came with the not-deity forcibly altering her mind to change the relationship between her and Diana.

But Leona got her revelations alongside her powers,which makes this her backstory. And said revelations rerailed Leonas character anyway,since old Leona was such a good person,she would have tried to solve the conflict peacefully anyway.

Which, then, of course you can argue that this signifies a change in the focus of the narrative. The original was Diana vs Leona the new is the space Targs and Sol and the Void.

But the thing is. I was invested in the old story. And nothing about the Space Targs we have learned has made me in any way interested in them or their problems. In fact the more you look at them the bigger assholes they become and why they would ever bother with dealing with possessing humans is not addressed because it really doesn't make sense. Until it of course will be explained away that their magic just works like that. Because as of now the Space Targs aren't characters, they never should have been characters in the first place. The conflict was a very human one between two people. But now it's so much vastly bigger than that so it relies on the not-gods to make the story work. Only when you read the lores, even now, the story focuses on these people who don't matter to the story. Diana and Leona and Atreus are vessels for the Space Targs to work through. But where the old were working on their own thoughts and opinions and trying to do what they thought was right. The new actually have the not-gods in their heads directing them and to me that is inherently less interesting a character.

honestly the huge focus that people had on the "diana vs Leona"-rivalry seemed rather misplaced anyway. I mean you don't say that the "Shen vs Zed"-rivalry is the focus for the ionia lore or that "Aatrox vs Tryndamere" is the main plot of the freljord. The rivalry between the 2 didn't even affect all targonian factions,since the rakkor had nothing to do with it(despite the fact that Pantheon was the first targonian champ) and even if Leona lost to diana,there was the fact that Diana was all alone anyway,so it was easily possible that Diana would have remained a mere heretic in the eyes of the solari.

The whole Diana-vs-Leona thing was just seen as the main deal of the targon lore because the place simply didn't have anything else of interest.

Though I agree that the space targonians have their own share of problems in terms of storytelling(like the fact that we have barely any info about their society,what they plan to do or how exactly they work)

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

Ahh GreenLore, even when we disagree you're still at least fun to debate with.

Ok.

But Leona got her revelations alongside her powers,which makes this her backstory. And said revelations rerailed Leonas character anyway,since old Leona was such a good person,she would have tried to solve the conflict peacefully anyway.

I addressed that, a bit. It was the focus of the old story. That was what they were building up to, and I was excited to see how it plays out.

Take a different example that's pretty much the same thing. Renekton and Nasus. Their old story was them as space librarians, it was weird. I didn't particularly like the background. But the key conflict was that Renekton turned mad and now they must fight. That's a very human story. Ok, not the details, obviously. The two were literally kidnapped by magic and Renekton's madness comes across as a bit forced. But the whole brother turning against brother motif is very human, very recognizable and grounds the story.

And while the update changed a lot of the details to make it fit (and many of these changes were good, LoL's penchant for randomly kidnapping aliens and forcing them to fight was dumb) they kept that core story for them. Sure there is more now, dealing with Azir and Xerath, but the heart of their story is two brothers forced to fight with each other, and maybe redeem the one who's gone mad.

Ok, the point to that was to illustrate that the writing created a promise with the readers: These are the characters, this is the central conflict, when we write more about them it will be in focus on this central conflict.

Diana and Leona had that as well. A very good one, in my mind. One I liked much better than the Renekton vs Nasus. Sure, the ties to one another were not as strong as being brothers, but I felt the conflict was far greater. Leona is a good person, but she is unequivocally on the wrong side. She fights for the oppressive Solari who tried to kill Diana (not that she should know what they did, she wasn't there). Meanwhile Diana is a violent murderer, but one who's rage was created because of the actions of others not a "suddenly she's mad now" like Renekton's was, and she is on the side of truth.

What's more, Diana just killed the religious leaders of the entire mountain, and in her own lore it ends that she is off looking for allies. This was a conflict that could rock the foundation of Targon, and could quite easily draw in the Rakkor as well. Since they seem to have held the Solari Elders in some high esteem.

As to setting Leona's personality back, well, I don't know. Leona was a good person, no doubt. But she was also a warrior, and Diana just proved herself (in Leona's eyes) a murderer, and possibly become a murderer with an army. I don't know what Leona would do in that situation, but I would have loved to see it happen. She's a good lady, but there is a lot of room for her to make mistakes, mistakes that could have far reaching consequences.

But at least it would be HER mistakes, not the edicts of an alien changing her opinions to fit the story.

Now there was a whole bunch of ways that the old lore could have gone. Personally, I was most interested in seeing a bunch of the various tribes (including the Rakkor) picking a side between those that choose to continue following the Solari, and those who may like the idea of new religious leadership and side with Diana. There we could have seen civil war, growing strife, the breaking of ancient oaths, the toppling of temples. All that stuff interests me, all of it is what I enjoy reading about. Or it could have been that Diana remained alone, a rogue heretic to be hunted down by Leona. Not as interesting to me, personally, but you could still make a good story out of that. Not everything needs to have the fate of the world, or even a kingdom to be a good story. Honestly, I tend to think that the more we limit our stories to be about the human problems and less about world ending catastrophes the better the stories tend to be. Not to say all world ending stories are bad, of course, it's just, that doesn't need to be omnipresent.

Which is the opposite of what Targon, and honestly, most of Riot's new writing has been focusing on.

Poppy is no longer just a tough diplomat, she's now the Hero of Demacia who the prophecies have foretold will save Demacia in its darkest hour.

Ashe is no longer trying to unite the Freljord from a bunch of squabbling clans, well she is. But one of those clans is ruled by an ancient magical evil with plans to TAKE OVER THE WORLD! BWAHAHAHA!

Nasus and Renekton are no longer librarians and guardians, they're DEMIGODS! Creatures from old who have returned with two more demigods, one of which is growing in power, mind controlling cities and trying to TAKE OVER THE WORLD! BWAHAHAHA! Or whatever Xerath is trying to do. Honestly, I did not get his motivation in Bloodlines. He's destroying cities now... because? Whatever, questions for later.

And of course Targon, the conflict is no longer between Diana and Leona, two humans with some mystic powers. Now they are possessed by MORE DEMIGODS! And the species of alien demigod things control the galaxy and are fighting a dragon that creates the stars! And the Void is involved, for some reason. And Pantheon, who never had a lick of godly power before is now the biggest dickweasel of a demigod of all! It's all gotten too much for me, far beyond the stories that I was originally interested in. As if each new story is trying to add more and more power to everything as if that makes it interesting.

It might for some. But for me, I'm mostly left wanting the humans back.

Talos of Altmora2 votes

Well, I was going to put a section on the void, but ultimately decided not to. The Void IS a big threat, but the thing is the Void has always been a distant one. They're coming, but if they were already here... well, the void is filled with monsters, and the ones we have seen are usually massive or very strong and cunning (or all of the above). Even Kog'maw is a viable threat to runeterrra, but they work in the Lore's favor because they're not large in number. In lore Terms CHo'gath and Vel'Koz are partically unstoppable by everyone but sol, the Defenders of Valoran (aka Kassadin and his groupies going at them ala Shadows of the Colossus) and possibly the asspects. The idea that the normal people in Valoran could stand a chance against them is based only on the game, which riot has officially divorced from the lore.

Riot hypes them up, but the thing is that the void can never win. If they win, well, there goes runeterra, if they lose (and they have to lose if you want to keep runeterra) they start to undergo badass decay and stop being seen as THAT big a deal out of universe.

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

Aye, as much as I absolutely hate the Targon lore, that it doesn't fit the world is not the problem. I just think it's bad, for a big old list of reasons.

I would say, the Space Targonians I don't think fit the themes of the original Targon lore, at all. But the old Targon lore doesn't exist anymore so, what ya gonna do?

Talos of Altmora2 votes

I say that because they come out of left field, and more importantly they are "lore game breakers." As in, they come across as so powerful that there is no way they can be stopped, they can't died just get a new host. Not to mention all those characters you mentioned have a personality, something that the aspects lack.

They are one note, in fact all that I've put up there is just my opinion on it. We know nothing about them, all I see is a patterned of control, the kind that is usually seen as a bad thing. I draw the line at them because they add nothing to the story, they are tools.

Talos of Altmora2 votes

Like I said, I call new!Leona that because I feel that she has nothing to do with the original Leona.

Also, thank you.

The Soulforged3 votes

I felt like old Targon was full of life, and the Lunari conflict would, if pursued, add a lot of depth to Targon. I had so many ideas of it, and I made a fairly long thread on where Targon could go, ima see if I can find it. Now with talk of space empire and godlike entities, all the other stuff seems so out of place.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/XoucE5jh-the-relationship-of-lunari-vs-solari-and-their-embodiments

I could see the conflict of Diana and Leona leading to discovering things like this.

EndGamer113 votes

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Linda however, was a monster until she met her parasite. She was willing to kill Diana, someone who she hardly knew, for presenting facts to the Solari elders.

"Presenting Facts" (aka murdering them after assaulting Leo herself, even if it was partially the Moon Aspect's fault)

She is cold, Leona displayed compassion

???

And now on to the aspects. They do not fit in league. That's all I have to say. However, I will say they are perhaps the most horrifying thing in the lore. Pantheon demonstrates that he can remove the soul from the body, and has done so multiple times. The Lunari Aspect seems to be trying to control Diana, and the Sun aspect managed to change Leona's mind from killing Diana (and I would like to remind you that Leona that her hatred was so strong IT ENABLED HER TO CLIMB TARGON WITHOUT REST.). They come across as parasites, slowly killing the host's freewill and personality until it fits there needs. The only one who escapes this is the protector, but even he is suspect to me.

Only Pantheon takes over his host. Leona, Diana, and Taric all have control over their actions. Leo and Diana both gained powers and knowledge of secrets. Taric got star powers and found himself a purpose.

I really can't see how you think Leo would be calm after Diana (someone she had heard only bad things about) murders the people Leona respects the most. After encountering the Sun Aspect, Leona was calmed, and now no longer wishes to kill Diana, rather, to speak to her.

Only Panth is a parasite.

The Old Targon lore had a beautiful story just waiting for the lore team to tell it. But now it will never come to be. This is why I had to leave, because the lore team doesn't seem to care about the old. I don't mean that they are horrible to this, I know they ultimately just want to write a good story for us to enjoy, but if it comes at the sacrifice of the old stories, then i'm sorry, but this is not League.

What story could Old Targon have told? "Panth is a BAMF Spartan and does Spartan things." "Leona leads the Solari to a bright future." "Diana sits on her moonlit throne and broods the destruction of the solari because she is dark and spiteful.

It is my opinion that most of the new Targon lore is an improvement, as it gives the characters involved some openings into interacting with other people and amongst themselves.

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

"Presenting Facts" (aka murdering them after assaulting Leo herself, even if it was partially the Moon Aspect's fault)

Actually you got that one a small bit backwards. When Diana first goes before the Solari Elders, in Leona's lore we get a brief glimpse inside her head before Diana decides to go on a killing spree. In it, Leona is getting very, very angry and is thinking about killing Diana.

Then Diana kills the Elders. Personally, I have no problem with Leona going to try and hunt down Diana after the killing of the Elders, it's that she was excitedly thinking about executing her before Diana had done anything wrong that gets fans of the old Leona a bit ruffled.

Only Pantheon takes over his host. Leona, Diana, and Taric all have control over their actions. Leo and Diana both gained powers and knowledge of secrets. Taric got star powers and found himself a purpose.

I really can't see how you think Leo would be calm after Diana (someone she had heard only bad things about) murders the people Leona respects the most. After encountering the Sun Aspect, Leona was calmed, and now no longer wishes to kill Diana, rather, to speak to her.

Only Panth is a parasite.

Interestingly, I saw it differently. Only Taric does not have a parasite. Pantheon is the most obvious one. But Diana gets possessed by the moon spirit forcing her to go on her kill spree, showing that she is not in complete control of her body. And when Leona was possessed she suddenly does a complete 180 on her personality, her mind being altered by magic to do what the space Targonian that is possessing her wants. Neither of them are really 100% themselves anymore, and Riot has even said as much during their Foundation talk on Taric. There is a spectrum that these characters are in control of themselves, and Taric is the one that's really just him with some powers.

Which is how he was presented in his background. The spirit came to him, they chatted for a bit, then the spirit gave him some powers and pushed him on his way. It was Diana, Leona, and Atreus that were possessed and had various degrees of mind and body control inflicted upon them.

What story could Old Targon have told? "Panth is a BAMF Spartan and does Spartan things." "Leona leads the Solari to a bright future." "Diana sits on her moonlit throne and broods the destruction of the solari because she is dark and spiteful.

It is my opinion that most of the new Targon lore is an improvement, as it gives the characters involved some openings into interacting with other people and amongst themselves.

Well, yeah, the stories the old lore might have told. They didn't, in the end, but there was definitely a story there. For one, Leona was away and comes back to find that Diana had just murdered all the people who had trained her and saved her life as a child. What does she do? Diana is plotting the destruction of the Solari, how does she do it? It says she's trying to get allies, who does she get? The religious structures of the mountain have just been murdered, how do the Rakkor reacts? How does Pantheon react?

Those all could have been fleshed out to make quite a good story. One I, personally, find much more interesting than a sudden infusion of space demigods that possess our champions and a star dragon. I wanted to see how Leona and Diana's feud irrevocably change the mountainside. To see it all brushed aside with "Leona gets possessed, and now she and Diana must team up" is one of the most disappointing things I've ever read.

Talos of Altmora2 votes

Actually, as Warlord dienekes pointed out, she spoke to them first, but when the Solari were about to burn the heretic, so to speak, the moon aspect takes over and uses her body to murder the elders.

I call Linda cold and cruel because, well aside from sparing a monster (which turned out to be her aspect) she becomes a very, very different person by the time she's the Solari's best inquisitor. Which is very strange because The Rakkor "Kill all the monsters to cancel the apocalypse" policy that they are raised to complete didn't completely get through to her, but at... whatever age she was when it happened, she became a knight Templar for her religion.

Taric is the only one that has complete control, but The Solari aspect made Linda, someone who hated Diana so much that it enabled her to surpass the limitations of her body, do a complete one-eighty. The Lunari aspect over took Diana multiple times in her lore, and is the one who murdered the elders. You said that you don't understand how I think new!Leona would forgive Diana, and I don't ; it makes it stand out because well, if that aspect hadn't entered her body, she would still be herself. The Fact that the moon aspect killed everyone at Diana's trial besides Linda is also strange. Why spare the one who will track her down? unless, of course, the aspects planed it.

Admittedly , that's just speculation, but it fits the information in the story. I also suspect that the other aspects are doing it slowly. again, that's speculation, but given pantheon and the the other aspects control other their hosts... yeah, I think my suspicions are warranted.

They could tell a lot, the cultural change for Targon, the theological implications of both the sina nd moon being sentient. Pantheon and Leona's differing philosopies, Diana's new religion, the hunt for Diana, how Leona and Diana will come to blows (and since the original intentions being somewere along the lines of "how would you feel at the thought of killing someone you love"... and it never said what kind of love... well i'm sure you get the picture.) there are a lot of ways you can tell the story. but now we will never know, because the lore team decided that that continuity was not what he wanted.

I would argue that targon is now even more isolated, the aspects (aside from the protector) don't seem to care that much about the outside. Not to mention that the location is isolated to the rest of the world.

Beyond Legends1 votes

I thought you left? Why come back? Nobody cares about your long ass rant about targon(in fact i didn't even read it). I suggest you follow the like of Impteual and gtfo.

Stick to your words mate and leave. Go play Overwatch or someshit, no one wants your sour overdue milk

Jeddy0175 votes

Geez, someone is cranky.

Warlord Dienekes3 votes

It's Beyond Legends, you learn to just ignore him. Basically if anyone has a problem with the lore he shows up to insult them.

Beyond Legends1 votes

You would be too if you had to go the extremely large pile of bullshit and bitching they did months ago. I'd rather go through the jhin delay again than the constant barrage of moaning they did.

Honestly there is no point joining their dissussion cause it's almost as bad of a circlejerk than the disscussion of DQ on reddit. Call me jaded, but when one of these people enter this boards just because they hated pantheon new lore makes me sigh in shame of humanity.

Perhaps I'm jaded from the experiance, but I honestly feel like tell them to go away is probably the only option. There is no point beating a dead horse and this horse has rotting for a while now. What they offer is just a better polish version of Impteual rant about old lore. I can get people are upset at first about the new lore buts this is simply getting old. I am perfectly able to be civil with those who may be upset with the new lore, but these people have long since lost any sympathy I had felt for them.

Warlord Dienekes4 votes

It's a forum, man. You don't even have to read look or respond to any thread.

Beyond Legends1 votes

Oh really if I don't have to read this then you don't have to bitch either.

If you haven't notice story, art & sound is the only board I go to. I think you have long since deserving to be thrown tomatoes at.

Warlord Dienekes3 votes

Of course you can. The difference is I'm not angry nor do I particularly care about you. If something makes you angry you don't have to throw tantrums. You don't have to do anything. You can continue to do so of course. It just doesn't do anything. Since mostly the more angry and over emotional you type the less of an argument can be made. You mostly just come across as a child, easy to ignore, easy to belittle.

But hey if I have you wrong and you're not angry and this is a rational argument to you. By all means continue. It's all harmless nonsense after all.

Beyond Legends1 votes

And this isn't throwing some long winded emotional tandrum? I'm telling you to gtfo now so you don't become impteual. If anything I'm doing you a favour. Ending should be an Ending no need for an eplilouge.

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

Might want to read names, boyo. I'm not Altmora. But in either case I've said my piece and I think proved my point. Good day.

Beyond Legends1 votes

Is there any difference though?

Talos of Altmora4 votes

Well, obviously you care enough about it to write this comment.

And I did mention that these were my thoughts that came afterwards, and that I did I tend for it to be my last post. If you have a problem with it, well okay, but that's not my problem.

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