Superbeings vs normal people.

Madjack01·1/24/2019, 4:41:37 AM·2 votes·3,224 views

For many this will be a complete non issue, nonetheless I think it's an interesting topic to discuss the fantasy of superbeings that fight against just gifted, normal people. I know lore is disconnected from gameplay and that “normal“ is pretty relative in LoL.

However, I always found that LoL's fantasy never completely felt right when you think about gods, giants, space dragons and so on fighting against gifted, but in comparison puny, soldiers, adventurers, ninjas...etc.

Something about the idea of for example Draven throwing his axes at a being which could wipe out cities with a simple gesture just never sat right.

I always liked how fighting these superbeings felt like in the souls series. Where an essentially weak undead has to fight against beings with the power to shape new dimensions or alter entire landscapes and so on. And the game does a good job of letting you know that the odds are heavily stacked against you. Yet in the end the undead beats them all. Sure the undead is immortal in a way and gets strength from enemy souls, but nonetheless the idea is there that even a weak being can topple gods. Not through matching power, but by channeling what power there is for a singular purpose with absolute clarity (not for broadly influencing the world like a god would do for example, but on a much smaller scale for destroying whatever entity gets in the way).

Personally I think there is also something about superbeings, when not the antagonist or deus ex machina mechanic, that just doesn't make for the best fantasy. Take for example Marvel and DC superhero stories. On one side you have these god like beings like Superman or Thor which make for great stories about saving the planet, sharing a world of wonder on a grand scale. While these stories are awesome, the scale on which they operate are often just too huge for immersion. My favourites will always be on the other side of the coin, the more street level heroes like Daredevil or Batman. The scale they take is much smaller and often takes a much more personal route with a darker setting (although there are a lot of exceptions). That's because the issues they face have a much more raw nature. There is no magical hammer flying in to save the day, there are no planet-destroying/saving superpowers which come and go as the story demands. No, they have their fists and smarts and often have to face the limits of their power. The fight they fight is in many ways much more gruesome and risky, with death only being a bullet away.

The champions of LoL feel very similar in that regard and I wonder sometimes if Riot hasn't taken into just a tad too far with some of the godly beings in the roster.

I guess I kinda jumped from topic to topic there, bit I'd like to hear your thoughts about this and a broad theme makes for a more vivid discussion from time to time.

4 Comments

Chembaron Yamada1/24/2019, 6:15:35 AM3 votes

I agree, they focused a bit too much on the "supernatural powerful creature" in the last time, throwing at us demigods, aspects, darkin and all that stuff.

Champions, which are basically just skilled and/or well equipped humans like these: Caitlyn Ekko Graves Jinx Vi Gangplank Are really fun for me and I would love to see more champion designs like that in the future. Not everyone has to have magical powers able to change the nation or being an immortal spirit that is on the earth for centuries.

Falrein1/24/2019, 8:06:19 AM2 votes

I'm not sure I get your point... Is it that you don't like the fact that regular humans cannot fight godlike entities? Well... I'm gonna assume that.

I am not a fan of godlike entities myself. However, you have to remember that Xerath will never fight Caitlyn for example. It wouldn't make a good story tu just see Xerath annihilating a human champion because the latter doesn't have the possibility to defend themselves. Each champion will most likely encounter challenges that match their potential, this is why you'll usually get human vs human (or something equivalent) or godlike being vs godlike being!

I just have two issues for now:

  • The Watchers. Why the Watchers? Well, they are supposed to be a world threat. Which is totally fine! But I feel like they are more of a fatality than a threat. If I recall correctly it was stated that a Watcher would be stronger than Aatrox (who is already really powerful), and it feels like they can't be fought. Of course I might be wrong, and surely some godlike beings (such as Ascended and Aspects) must be able to do something, but humans feel really powerless there... And that is (it's just my opinion of course) something I don't like :/
  • Completely different topic, but what about champions that are above humans (even mages), but under godlike beings? Some (like Ryze) already have a goal, and we know what they use their power for (protect the world, he is kind of a loner so it's okay). But what about Syndra? She's arguably the most powerful human mage we've got so far (girl did some pretty OP stuff and I'm pretty sure we haven't seen it all yet), but where does she fit? She's stronger than humans, but will never match a godlike being because she's too fragile. Don't get me wrong I love that she's so powerful and I'd be mad if they ever were to take away her OPness... But I don't really see where her story can go, apart perhaps from meeting Jax and fighting alongside him against Voidborns.
Wrathof3001/24/2019, 10:02:34 AM1 votes

Regular champs vs super powered beings is as simple as, hero A vs hero B, where hero A only has a wooden sword vs hero B who has a full set of armor. You can't complain that hero A won't defeat hero B, however, in order to defeat hero B, hero A doesn't need everything hero B has, only a metal sword or a weapon capable of piercing hero B's armour, in some instances there will be weak points in where a wooden sword will suffice.

Now look at Sivir Ezreal and Kassadin, these 3 champions can all are human champs that can kill an Ascended/ Aspect, because they wield Ascended weapons. However, this fact does not make the fight a fair one, it simply means it is possible for them to win, and this is all that's necessary for a story. Often unless the odds are 50-50 people will complain about the outcome, but this is not how probability works.

Not all powerful beings are there simply to fight, there are some powerful characters we may rarely ever see fight Soraka Zoe Bard because they are a healer or messenger and not a fighter. Even in the case of some fighters, just because you have powerful characters does not mean their presence will be the focal point of the story.