So Mt Targon has now the function similiar to the World Tree in Norse Mythology:

SaltyToplaneGoat··8 votes·1,487 views

A gigantic structure connecting several realms, worlds and layers of existence.

So, we know that there seems to be some kind of dimensional intersection at the peak that, among other things, messes with the flow of time.

But what is deep underneath the mountain? If you would dig into the earth, deep down until you are as deep as the mountain is high, what would you find? Or rather... what would find YOU?

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Sharjo2 votes

I've been mulling over things for a bit, and I'm trying to piece things together from some year old scraps.

In the Bard Q&A the narrative folks talked about the Magical Friction and intersecting realities, in particular how the magical friction was emitted by all worlds but existed in such a way that it is in another layer of reality than other things, and how there are many planes that intersect with Runeterra and that in the context of those questions, Bard can traverse all of those, which is why he knows Soraka; he's been to her plane before.

Mount Targon seems to be linked in with all of this, almost as if it's like the heart of Runeterra itself and a sort of convergence point for realities, where the barriers between them weaken due to the intersection, allowing for powers from one realm to spill over to another gradually. In that way we have the realm with the giant city from which Leona, Diana and Atreus were empowered, Bard's home realm and Soraka's home realm as possible places that could link up here, depending on how things work. Since the Void also intersects with Runeterra it makes sense why Voidborn can appear here too, as like in southern Shurima the dimensions are close enough for travel via portals and the like.

I'm wondering if Mount Targon is unique to Runeterra in terms of its function. As the primary planet in the continuity and with so many planes rubbing up against it there's gotta be something important about Runeterra above these other worlds, which is why folks like Bard, Soraka, Pantheon and the powers that empower Leona and Diana find their way here, as a means of protecting it.

With the earth of the mountain itself being alive I'm wondering if perhaps this is Runeterra ensuring it's protected on its own side of things; the very land itself tries and tests the mortals who come to the Mountain, so the world ensures that such a location isn't tampered with and disrupted.

Just some thoughts of mine; not really sure of things at the moment considering this is all multi-dimensional bollocks, so I'm gonna keep thinking on things.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

While I think that Mt Targon might be unique on the Valoran continent, other "interdimensional hotspots" might exist.

One possibility for such a place would be the Shadow Isles, some kind of unnatural "fake" hotspot that screws over the most basic rules of life and death. However, even stars can die - and I fear for the moment a dying star/celestial deity choses to take the path of unlife in an act of madness or desperation. An undead celestial is something I doubt many can deal with (and it would make for one awesome story).

WolfChases2 votes

Similar to the Tree of Life in Slavic mythology. Tree represents 3 worlds, Prav, Jav and Nav:

  1. Treetop represents the world of all Gods known as "PRAV", ruled by 3 main Gods: SVAROG (God of the Sun, life and universe), Perun (God of the lower sky and thunders) and Svetovid (the God of war) and all 3 of them are one supreme God Triglav also known as Rod (Holly trinity)

  2. Tree trunk represents the world of Mortals, the world of man and its known as "JAV"

  3. Root of the Tree of Life represents the underworld known as "NAV" and it's ruled by Veles, serpent, a demon God of the underworld followed my his assistants Charnobog God of Night and Dead and Morana, Goddess of Winter and Death.

Old Slavs believed that when there is a storm thundering, its Veles trying to get out of Nav and climb up to enter Prav so Perun as the Thunder God shoots him with thunders :) So that's why Tress are mostly the main targets for Thunders :P

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

And since mankind seems to be obsessed with the number three, each realm also diverts into 3 sub-realms. However, we are currently lacking realm Nr 3 that is at the bottom. Also, Morana sounds awefully like "Morgana"...

We have the top with the celestials, the middle with Runeterra and everything that does not belong to this cluster of realities described with the "Void". But what is at the bottom? It would either the Runeterran Underworld, the realm of dead (I doubt that tho) or a realm of beings that might be as powerful as celestials, but the total opposite of them. Right now my only suspects are the Darkin.

Wouldn't be weird if for each Celestial there is a Darkin that is the total opposite, probably even sharing the same "theme". Both Pantheon and Aatrox share the themes of war and combat, but one does it for honor and duty while the other is just super bloodthirsty. Maybe that is why bard is always so careful when he interacts with the mortal realm. If he would use his full powers to just eradicate someone to dust it would allow his Darkin-Mirror to become more active. But that's just a theory for now...

WolfChases1 votes

Nah I didn't say that New Mt Targon has any connections with Slavic mythology :) Just comparing it to Nordic which is quite similar :) About Goddess Morana and champion Morgana, I think that's just a coincidence :D

Anyways, no matter how cool are Nordic or Slavic mythologies, MT Targon definitely reminds me on Mt Olympus since both are mountains, not trees :D

And yep, I vote for Darkins ^_^

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

I get the feeling this might end in some kind of eternal Darkin Vs Celestials conflict, while both parties are attacked equally by the Void.

However, I'm not sure howthe Shadow Isles might fit into this. Either they are an independent faction, or, what is also suspectable, Tresh is a Darkin. Or rather, his lantern is. After all Darkin seem to posess objects rather than humans, as can be see with Aatrox who is called the living blade...

Targon is kind of a mix of both. Mountain with gods on top while at the same time being a transdimensional structure connecting different realms.

Valaran Nara1 votes

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I get the feeling this might end in some kind of eternal Darkin Vs Celestials conflict, while both parties are attacked equally by the Void.

However, I'm not sure howthe Shadow Isles might fit into this. Either they are an independent faction, or, what is also suspectable, Tresh is a Darkin. Or rather, his lantern is. After all Darkin seem to posess objects rather than humans, as can be see with Aatrox who is called the living blade...

Targon is kind of a mix of both. Mountain with gods on top while at the same time being a transdimensional structure connecting different realms.

No-no-no.

Thresh is not a Darkin. Neither is his lantern. Thresh was there when the Blessed isles became cursed. And he had the Lantern with him as it went down. This is why the Lantern is bonded with him. Hecarim was on his horse. That's why the man's a centaur. Kalista had spears impaled into her. That's why she, well...yeah.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

However, Thresh already had this weird lantern before this mess started. And SOMETHING must mave made him go insane that was more than just black-magics-radiation. It's one possiblity. After all we know very little about the interaction of Darkin Object and host body. Celestials take over completly, Darkin seem to be a bit more sublte about it - unless they are in full control as Aatrox is.

On top of that the Lantern is different from the horse and the spears, as it has an extra function beyond just giving light (what lanterns are supposed to do).

Also, the Black Mist is one horrible weapon if it falls into the wrong hands. If there ever was something in Runeterra that could threaten a celestial existence it would be that...

Valaran Nara1 votes

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However, Thresh already had this weird lantern before this mess started. And SOMETHING must mave made him go insane that was more than just black-magics-radiation. It's one possiblity. After all we know very little about the interaction of Darkin Object and host body. Celestials take over completly, Darkin seem to be a bit more sublte about it - unless they are in full control as Aatrox is.

On top of that the Lantern is different from the horse and the spears, as it has an extra function beyond just giving light (what lanterns are supposed to do).

Also, the Black Mist is one horrible weapon if it falls into the wrong hands. If there ever was something in Runeterra that could threaten a celestial existence it would be that...

Well the thing is, his whole thing is torturing souls. And yes, while it does serve as an extra function, everyone of the SI champs cannot do the same thing as the others, even if they were spawned at the same time from the same thing.

On top of that, why couldn't it have just been the radiation? Well, radiation and the fact he rarely say the light of day. Or barely had any human interaction for a few years before his full regenerating torture victim appeared. The lantern, in and of itself, could very well have just been a normal lantern used to find his way through. It doesn't have to be magical in origin to be of use inside of an underground dungeon. Even if it was, the only magic needed would be for it to forever stay lit.

The lantern is just a way for Thresh to gather souls. Just like Karthus. Just like Kalista (and I don't mean literally just like. But still. They gather the souls of others. Thresh just happens to yank it out with scythe and place it in a cool neon night light.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

For simple surrounding induced madness his cause seems to be a bit too... specific. Just look at it, he had it all planned out. The creation of the Black Mist and the fall of the Blessed Isles was pretty much just his plan, everyone else, even the ruined king, was just a pawn for him.

But... how does a sadist, who usually wouldn't care about life and death much as long as he has something to have fun with, suddenly work up a plan to create the worst magical weapon to have ever existed? That sounds... weird. More as if there was something telling him to do it. Maybe not on a conscious level, but there might be some unknown entitiy behind it all...

Valaran Nara1 votes

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For simple surrounding induced madness his cause seems to be a bit too... specific. Just look at it, he had it all planned out. The creation of the Black Mist and the fall of the Blessed Isles was pretty much just his plan, everyone else, even the ruined king, was just a pawn for him.

But... how does a sadist, who usually wouldn't care about life and death much as long as he has something to have fun with, suddenly work up a plan to create the worst magical weapon to have ever existed? That sounds... weird. More as if there was something telling him to do it. Maybe not on a conscious level, but there might be some unknown entitiy behind it all...

Okay, I see where you're theory crafting this from now.

Show me where it states that the Black Mist and curse was Thresh's plan.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

He was the one who lent the not-yet-ruined king a hand once he came to the blessed isles. And if I remember correctly he's also the one who interfered with the king's spell that should bind his soul to the one of his dead wife.

He knew they were coming, after all Kalista had been on the isles before.

Now matter how you twist and turn it, Thresh caused the creation of the black mist.

Valaran Nara1 votes

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He was the one who lent the not-yet-ruined king a hand once he came to the blessed isles. And if I remember correctly he's also the one who interfered with the king's spell that should bind his soul to the one of his dead wife.

He knew they were coming, after all Kalista had been on the isles before.

Now matter how you twist and turn it, Thresh caused the creation of the black mist.

Okay.

1.) He helped escort the group. I can't argue that. He was there

2.) I don't think he actively THOUGHT of corrupting the ritual in that way. Like, his objective wasn't to ruin the ritual and make everything bad. If anything, with his dark sense of curiosity, Thresh probably helped lead it just to see what happens. I doubt he said, "Hey, let's completely corrupt this blithering fool's futile attempt at resurrecting his poor wife. Ha ha ha!"

Actually, that sounds like him, but no. It didn't say he actively fixed the ritual, so it could fail.

But...if he did (and please, show me where it said or suggests he played foul as opposed to just being the sadist standing there), what says the Lantern was what possessed him to move forward with that plan. There have been no emphasis on the lantern at all other than to say that he had it with him, so we can tell which individual was Thresh pre-Ruination.

Stars Shaper2 votes

A fusion of Yggdrasil and Mt Olympus basically.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Exactly.

Stars Shaper1 votes

By that I would assume that deep inside there might be some kind of "Forge" from where the Lunari/Solari blessed armors (Leona's and Diana's alike) and weapons come from. There might be even the LoL-Hephaestus working there. A Blacksmith champion would make an awesome addition.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

I think the aromors and weapons are either created by the divine entities or already existing weapons that get empowered due to the celestials messing with them.

While a blacksmith would be awesome, I doubt there is one sitting underneath the mountain.

Stars Shaper1 votes

Indeed, my fear is that one of the champions to be revealed is Malphite so that they retcone his lore to be one of the shapers of the mountain (they have been recalled in one of the stories if I'm not wrong).

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

He pretty much IS a living mountain so... that would barely make a change. His tiny size ingame is quite misleading. As you can see in his splashart, he's gigantic...

Stars Shaper1 votes

That's why I think he might be it.

It would be a letdown for me because that would mean either no Taric or no Aurelion Sol :(

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Two slots and so many possibilities. Nami might also appear, ya know, moonstone business and stuff.

Or probably Riot is one massive troll and Aurelion Sol (or as I call him, "The Solar Butterfly") is in none of the slots and gets a promo page for himself...

GreenLore1 votes

I think it might also be inspired by Mt.olympus,considering that its the place where the greek gods lived.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

The upper part, yes no doubt. But I wonder what's going on on the opposite end.

Even the greek Olymp had a opposite version in the Necropolis of Hades (even thought it was never really popular with the olympians, so the gods of death and underworld were rather bored down there. Maybe rivers made of liquid pain and suffering and tormented souls are not exactly what makes for a good scenery? Who knows...)

Ralanr1 votes

I think Taric will know what lies under the mountain. He may even be its king. XD

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

His truly outrageous Majesty, Taric of the Fith Age!

While I have no problem with Taric being bound to Mt Targon, I'm not sure if I want him to be a king. In his old lore he was a healer and wandering knight. Not a person with political power over others...

Ralanr1 votes

Probably wouldn't be king under the mountain. Just wanted to joke.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

I know, but hey, you never know what ideas Riot might have ^^

But if he was a king, what would he rule over (apart from gems)? I doubt Riot is going to implement a drawven civilication dwelling underneath a big mountain. That would be a bit too lame for them. The possibilities of what could be below Targon: The Void, the Realm of the watchers, the Glade, Graves' secret cigar stash, some kind of negative celestial realm.

Oh. Wait. Eternal beings that are opposite of celestials... so... a Darkin realm? O_o

The Soulforged1 votes

Braum should climb to the top and start punching the mountain.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Well, the last time he did that it worked, no? My personal favourite would be sending Ziggs there. Give him a shitton of hexplosives and tell him to go nuts ^^

Randomonium1 votes

Something truly, truly outrageous....

Taric

Decrit1 votes

Zygarde confirmed champion, to further deepen the connection with pokémon sun and moon.

Ashenvall1 votes

Niddog?

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