Should Elise be retconned? (it's pretty big, huh?)

Pale Mask·10/26/2018, 5:49:57 PM·21 votes·13,097 views

TL;DR: it's a fucking wall of text where I talk about a champion no one cares about. https://i.imgur.com/6xCISRk.jpg

With the release of Vlad's new lore, Noxus has finally become oversaturated with villainous immortal magic users and, unfortunately for her, that's exactly what Elise is. In fact, that's the entirety of her character.

The problem arises, however, not from any of Vlad's lore, LeBlanc's, or Mordekaiser's; rather, it's Elise who is the least relevant character of that type currently associated with the faction.

In the old lore, the character archetype of "immortal cult leader" was generally limited to Elise. Characters who came before her played with the trope, but never went too much into detail and set foot on her territory. However, with the lore reworks of Vladimir, LeBlanc, Mordekaiser, Evelynn and likely several others, that territory has become a bit too explored - at least as far as Noxus is concerned.

Indeed, not only is Elise irrelevant in the overarching storyline of Noxus, she's absent from it entirely; like Vladimir says, he and LeBlanc are the ones dancing in the blood that others have spilled for their sake. They're the true leaders of the Black Rose, and everyone else is just a pretender - puppets being pulled by their strings.

This isn't what Elise's character is about, though. By no means is she a master of the arcane or an super-intelligent genius, but she's the one pulling others' strings; her personality revolves around her ability to manipulate the weak-willed into doing her bidding, as she is a social expert of unparalleled prowess.

Therefore, to have her reduced to less than even a footnote or mention in the Noxian lore makes her feel like a useless character. Her lore portrays her as someone pathetic: she was groomed by LeBlanc for her role, met Vilemaw by chance, and is now completely dependent on the patronage of the pale sorceress. This is a powerful woman? A regal, vampy seductress? She sounds like an ugly pet kept around by her betters for their amusement.

She's not necessary in the Noxian story. This is further proven by the fact that she's categorized as a Shadow Isles champion. And she's not needed in the Black Rose, either.

So, what to do?

The easiest solution would be, of course, to completely retcon her character and every trope she's supposed to cover. I won't go into detail why this is somewhat insulting to anyone even barely interested in the champion (such as yours truly), or any champion for that matter, so I'd like to propose an alternative. Two of them, in fact.

In my opinion, Elise's character is best summarized in the following eight words: immortal, shapeshifter, terrifying, regal, beautiful, selfish, inhuman, ravenous.

Obviously, these words don't make the most unique, inspired character. She's a pretty cliché example of Evil is Sexy; a deadly seductress who lures the noble hero into letting his guard down before killing him for her own purposes. The trope is already covered by characters like Ahri, Cassiopeia, Evelynn, Morgana etc. The main difference between them and Elise is in how Elise can be handled.

Befitting of the title of "Spider Queen", what can differentiate Elise from her sexy, evil peers is her general demeanor: Morgana is sexy, but not an evil seductress; Ahri, Cassiopeia and LeBlanc are playfully manipulative; Evelynn is a naughty, bloodthirsty demon. Unlike them, Elise gives off a regal, refined air, and pretends to be comforting (maybe even motherly?) to her followers. Her VO can reflect this: her lines could be serene and eloquent - she's in no rush to kill you. Every word is a venomous, veiled threat, but is spoken so sweetly you'd imagine it was a compliment.

Speaking of "two solutions", I've decided to create two, not-so-fresh takes on the character in an effort to breathe life into her - she's pretty stangant and lifeless otherwise, though that is her theme.

The two themes I've chosen are as follows: evil queen and lovecraftian cultist. I'd call the names works in progress, but I'm too lazy to come up with something more original later.

#EVIL QUEEN (bonus points for referring to Vilemaw as "God") https://screenbeauty.com/image/wallpapers/stones-wood-dark-135223.jpg

She isn't really a nice person, is she?

Elise1 is Elise as an evil queen from a fairy tale: the ruler of a fallen nation who's out to restore herself to glory. This nation can be anything: maybe it was a small kingdom on the Blessed Isles overthrown by the resident magical society because she was a black-hearted tyrant who desired their knowledge over life and death; maybe she's the ancestor of the Ruined King, who has schemed her return through Hecarim's betrayal and the release of the Ruination. The point is, she's an evil queen with a fixation on beauty.

Let's call this "the Elizabeth Bathory": she's basically the eponymous antagonist from Snow White on steroids. She lives in a dark, ruined castle in the middle of the woods (on the Shadow Isles?), and sends out "emissaries" - swarms of spiders enchanted to look like human agents - to guide villagers to her demesne (on the Shadow Isles?), where she ensnares them for all eternity. She wishes to be revered at all times, and works to preserve her looks. She's not so much seductive as she is obsessed with her physical appearance in a non-sexual way.

This could also give her a fairy tale twist: maybe she resembles a fae being, an Unseelie Court-like creature, with a complete disregard for human life. Maybe she contacted Vilemaw - a twisted, aberramt demigod - for the sake of eternal youth? Whatever the case, she definitely likes mirrors and plays up the uncanny valley effect for all it's worth; she's not just pretty, she's beautiful in an inhuman way.

It's quite possible that she stands with, or against, the Ruined King and Mordekaiser. If she allies with them, she might try to pull a lady MacBeth; she's not a black widow for nothing. No links to the Black Rose, though (unless Vlad stole nightblooms from her garden?).

#LOVECRAFTIAN CULTIST (with strange aeons, even death may die) https://www.literacywagoll.com/uploads/3/1/3/1/31318533/39492068-spooky-forest-wallpapers_orig.jpg

Get it? Because she's immortal.

This is Elise2, the insane worshipper of a Great Old One: an eldritch abomination that feeds on living beings and deals in nightmares and madness. Except, she's not an insane priestess and he's not a real god. This is Elise as the "immortal shapeshifter" - an inhuman creature that had, in millenia past, struck a pact with Vilemaw in exchange for eternal youth and power, and now brainwashes thousands of humans to do her bidding, both she and her god hungry for their deaths. Her supernatural form may include spectacular abilities: extending, diamond-tough spider limbs, enhanced strength, speed and perception, the ability to dissolve into and regrow from swarms of spiders; everything fitting for a lovecraftian supervillain.

This emphasizes the most monstrous aspects of the vampire. It's a blend of gothic and cosmic horror, and adds a new, terrifying villain to the world. Think of her as an inverted version of Illaoi: where Illaoi promotes life, change and survival, Elise promotes eternal life, unchanging and the sacrifice of others. She dabbles in secrets and dreams; mad visions spun by her god to infest the waking world with his hunger. Vilemaw, too, is the shadow archetype of Nagakabouros; together, they bring another layer of cosmicism into the universe without being linked to Targon and the Void. If you give her powers of seduction, things could get squicky pretty soon.

She is less likely to ally with the Ruined King and Mordekaiser, and might seek to turn the Shadow Isles into her own realm. Perhaps the Ruination was Vilemaw's doing? Call him "the Spinner in Darkness" and be done with it.

And that's about it. Honestly, I wouldn't mind her story going in either of these two ways, so long as those words I mentioned earlier are preserved in some capacity.

Interacting with Noxian champions obviously isn't her forte, so it would be interesting to see what she could have to say to someone like Karthus or Yorick. God knows she's a pretty insignificant character right now.

19 Comments

Blood Magicks10/26/2018, 6:04:41 PM10 votes

Don't worry - Vlad and Elise's approaches to immortality are extremely different. Their cults, too, have little to do with each other. While Elise's resembles a religious sect, Vlad's is more like a crowd of obsessed fans (me x 100).

Tormentula10/26/2018, 7:21:56 PM8 votes

Have to remember Elise never really signed up for that kind of position, she was just a family figure that got betrayed and was forced to hide since the poison her husband gave completely destroyed her appearance. She was approached by a hag (LB) to go get a blade to restore her beauty (so she IS a puppet having her strings pulled) and after being impaled by the blade and vilemaws fangs, became what she is and if anything, she's more of a really important link to both noxus and the shadow isles. She's one of the few humans that actually travels to the isles and can bring magical artifacts from there to a cult of black magic, and that's if noxus and the black rose don't have intentions of controlling or allying with the isles through her.

Elise is a pretty big deal for the rose, it'd be a huge loss if she left or died. Vlad and LB may be seen like "CEO" but Elise is a head manager of her shadow isles department

Beast Brawler10/27/2018, 4:56:44 AM2 votes

I really like the idea of Elise teaming up with Mordekaiser, possibly becoming a spy or information gatherer? There's actually a lot you can do with this. We know Morde is increasingly paranoid about safeguarding his bones (heh) and he would still probably like to know more about what's changed in the last however long it's been since his last reign of terror, so when Elise finds him/he finds her through the mist, he charges her to inform him or something. I also think the whole "cultist for Vilemaw" is a key thing, so I think that should be kept. Though, Elise might not tell Morde about our absurdly large spider friend, sensing that he might try to fight or kill him, and also that Mordekaiser is not someone to take lightly. I don't think Elise is the type to go the double agent route, so her telling other people what Morde's planning is probably a no-go. I feel like she'd be the type of treacherous person to try and get a set-up to survive well whether Morde wins or loses, like establishing her own kingdom hidden from Mordekaiser.

SpecterVonBaren10/26/2018, 10:59:39 PM2 votes

She needs a redesign for one. Here's a quick and dirty example of what I mean since I'm at work. She should be the evil Sona in terms of appearance. She should have a mystical and regal air to her and be dressed in flowing robes or something like that. She should LOOK like a cult leader that could legitimately make you believe has your interests at heart and wants to look after you.

Her personality at its core doesn't need to change, what needs to change is the persona she puts up as a smokescreen because what we see in game doesn't give any such vibes.

GreenKnight10/26/2018, 6:44:54 PM1 votes

Don't worry, Elise will become Astolfo.

Metallikaiser10/27/2018, 4:07:47 PM1 votes

Completely agree, while I am not quite sure what the changed result should be. Elise certainly needs a significant retcon in my opinion.

LunSeiSleidee10/28/2018, 1:03:43 PM1 votes

This game is oversatured with sexy evil seductresses. Would be nice if Elise was something different.

Beast Brawler10/29/2018, 11:39:56 PM1 votes

Hey man if you delete your comment I can't see it and I don't know if you liked my idea or not. :(