The Next Ultimate Skin: 2 years later (Part 5)

Electro522·2/7/2020, 2:05:44 PM·6 votes·5,601 views

Hello again everybody!

Long time no see! When, I say it's been 2 years, I'm not lying. Gun Goddess Miss Fortune is approaching on her 2 year anniversary (in March), and since then...ALOT has changed.

If you are new to this little series of mine, I started making these threads FOUR years ago, right before the reveal of Elementalist Lux (seriously, I released the first part, and E. Lux was revealed maybe a month later). At first, the point of these posts was to try and predict the next Ultimate skin to be released, and I believe I did a pretty good job for the first 3 parts...despite not even being in the ball park for any of my predictions.

Then, GGMF happened.

https://imgur.com/aYntMa5

Pretty much everyone, including Riot, agrees that GGMF could have been so much more, and was hardly deserving of the Ultimate title. I myself was extremely disappointed in the skin, not because I had gotten my prediction wrong, but because it felt like Riot had taken a step in the wrong direction with the skin. Instead of being able to present what the skins team is capable of doing when pushed to their absolute limit, they instead went for an easy to sell cash-grab. (You can read my thoughts on the skin here.

But since then...there has been plenty of development in the skin "industry" if you will, and I have half a mind to believe that GGMF was the instigator of it all. In this post, I will go over those changes, and, unlike in Part 4, I believe I have a pretty good idea on who's getting the next skin.

But first....




#What has changed?

Back when I started this little series, I had developed a set of rules that a champion must fall under in order to be selected for an Ultimate skin. Unfortunately, in my very first post, Kindlejack, the lead artist at the time, essentially shut down those rules, explaining that the skins team was far more...autonomous than what I had imagined. Pretty much everyone on the skins team had their own "rules" for what champs get what skins. However, at the time, I still felt that my rules still held merit, since the skins that were coming out followed a particular pattern. However, ever since GGMF....none of it applies anymore.

Firstly, my "rules" were under the assumption that both Ultimates and Legendary skins both followed them, since Ultimates could be considered glorified Legendary skins. This is what I came up with:

  1. The champ must follow the 6 month rule.

  2. Champions should be more than 3 years old.

  3. A champion must not already have a Legendary skin.

  4. Finish the team.

With these rules, I was able to create a list of champions that were "viable" for both a Legendary skin, and an Ultimate. But as time went on, each one got shut down by a specific skin release.

The first one was shut down pretty quick. My assumption was that a champion must have to wait 6 months in order to get a new skin, period. Didn't matter if it was an Ultimate, or a 750, that 6 month rule applied. But, with the release of Eternal Sword Master Yi coming soon after Cosmic Master Yi...it didn't take long for this rule to be thrown out the window.

The second rule of a champ being 3 years old only applied to Legendaries and Ultimates. My assumption was that a newer champ getting a Legendary skin would just be unfair. While I still believe it to be unfair, this rule was killed with the release of Odyssey Kayn, a champ who has yet to see his 3rd anniversary (which is in July.....yes, you read that right).

The third rule was one I honestly thought Riot would stick to as much as possible, and to give them credit, they have tried. However, this rule has been killed by both God King Darius, and High Noon Ashe. With Dairus, I can kind of understand why it came about, since he is the antithesis to Garen. You can't have a versus event featuring Garen without also featuring Darius. High Noon Ashe, however, was unnecessary. Don't get me wrong, I'm an Ashe main, and absolutely adore the skin to the moon and back, BUT, I will be the first to say that they could have made High Noon Hecarim the Legendary in the set.....a champ that has yet to receive his Legendary.

Now, some of you might say that that rule was killed a long time ago with Heimerdinger, Corki, Tristana, and Cho'gath, all of which "officially" have 2 Legendary skins. That being said, all of those skins (save for Battlecast Cho'gath and Dragon Trainer Heimer/Tristana) were made in a time where Riot didn't really have a good foundation laid out for how skins should be made, and what quality they should really achieve for. This is why Legendaries such as Alien Invader Heimer, Red Baron Corki, and Wonderland Annie are all Legacy skins, and can no longer be purchased. They simply do not match Riot's current standard of what a Legendary should be.

And finally, the last rule of "finishing the team". When I first started this series, Riot was releasing skin sets with full potential teams. This means a skin set would have a top, jungle, mid, bot, and support in the line up. This is evident in the first set of Star Guardian skins, and PROJECT skins. They were also in a trend of fleshing out a team for currently existing skin lines, such as Headhunter and Arcade. Due to this, I figured that the "Ultimate" skin line would follow this trend, and it did.....the first time. Elementalist Lux was released, and so the Ultimate line had a jungle, mid, ADC, and support. All it was missing was a top laner. And we know how that worked out.

It was soon after E. Lux came out that Riot ended the trend of creating full teams for skin lines. Shifting to more of a thematic cohesion than anything else. If the champ could fit reasonably well in the thematic of the skin line, then it would likely get a skin for that line. This is why the second set of Star Guardian skins doesn't fit the "full-team" mold. And so, unfortunately, the Ultimate line fell victim to this with the release of GGMF. Needless to say, quite a few top laners were probably a bit more upset than everyone else.


So, we have had rules and guidelines change over the years, but, what else has changed?

Well, one obvious change is the fact that every skin released is, at minimum, the 1350 RP price range. This actually makes sense if you really think about it, however.

With Riot leaning pretty heavy into events lately that offer battle passes, players are actually getting more skins for cheaper prices. You rack up enough tokens to get a few event orbs, which in turn grant you skin shards, which then can be rerolled into permanent skins. Yes, it is a clever and shady way to work around the "loot-box-alypse" (coining that term now) that is happening in the gaming industry, but the fact that it would affect how much money Riot makes off of skins still applies.

But then, we also have chromas. 750 and 950 price tier skins were likely becoming too easy to make, and it became more of a hindrance to make them. Artists would have to waste time in determining who would fit these lines, design them, and then make sure they work on release. Well, what if you could drastically reduce both of those aspects by just recoloring a higher quality skin, and make more money off of 1 skin, then a potential 5? And, if you happened to notice, chromas are starting to offer differentiation in model design. Not by much, mind you, but enough of a difference that a chroma could feel almost thematically distinct from the base skin.

So, you make less money off skins in general, but you combat this by cutting costs in unique ways, while also increasing the amount of money you make off of any individual skin. Sounds like business 101 to me.

But another side affect of this business decision is that skin quality has been rising dramatically....and that's putting it very lightly. For example, the new Blood Moon skins that are on the PBE as of writing may seem pretty par-for-the-course today. But back when Riot would release skins like Gentleman Cho'gath, these skins would probably be considered legendaries in their own right. Even when compared to early PROJECT skins, these newer skins stand a very obvious step above the quality that those past skins had to match.




#Predicting the Future

Rules have changed, business models have changed, art direction has become more streamlined, quality has increased ten fold over the years, and technology has obviously gotten better as well. How does any of this help us predict what the next Ultimate skin will be?

Short answer: It doesn't.

In all complete honesty, we simply can't predict which champ will get the next Ultimate skin. Hell, even Riot can't do it. Choosing a design for a champ can takes months, and dozens, if not possibly hundreds of concepts are thought up, and thrown.....possibly within a single day. They even said it themselves that they effectively wanted to rethink what it meant to be an Ultimate tier skin.

And this is exactly why this particular skin has taken so long to come out. Riot themselves aren't even 100% on what champ would be getting the skin, let alone the design it would take......or, at least they were when that article was written.


Remember how I said that I have a pretty good idea as to who is getting the next Ultimate skin? Well, it all comes from this one video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI65xHnD5Yc

Particularly at 1:01 when Bellissimoh starts listing off the champions that Riot plans on releasing skins for. He went through the list pretty quick, and a couple of the skins even got teased (Elderwood Ornn, and Dark Star Mordekaiser), but there was one champ that stood out.

Taliyah.

https://imgur.com/6wNtXR9

https://imgur.com/gcCJiyO

https://imgur.com/zSVL7Ht

Every other champ mentioned was part of a list just quickly written down in a notebook. So, why was Taliyah intentionally made to stand out in this video?

Well, you could say that it was just to hype up the large fanbase Taliyah has. Ever since her release, Taliyah fans have been begging Riot for something more than just an Esports skin. Oh, and there's also this little gem that you....may.....have heard of:

https://imgur.com/T2n8VGY

Star Guardian Talyiah is so desperately wanted by the fanbase, that it kind of makes you wonder why she hasn't gotten the skin already. Hell, for all we know, Riot could have contacted this artist in order to help them design this very skin!

But...if there's one thing the Ultimate line does, it's not conform to any current skin line. If anything, they spawn skin lines of their own (evident with the Pulsefire line). So, if Taliyah is to get the next Ultimate skin, I actually doubt that it would be the Star Guardian skin. But, as you've seen earlier in the post, any "rules" I make tend to get shot down, so, it's possible we could have the first mainstream Ultimate skin.

But as to why Taliyah would get the Ultimate skin, it actually makes perfect sense. Especially in Season 10.


Rise of the Elements brought forth the first changes to the Summoner's Rift we've seen in 5 years. The last significant change being the release of the map's visual update. This season, we get to see changes to the map itself, with the introduction of Alcoves, and the elemental dragons physically changing the map.

And which champion's whole niche is about changing the map?

Sure, you have champs like Jarvan and Anivia being able to create terrain. You also have champs like Kayn and Bard that have the capability to remove the obstacle that is walls. You even have champs like Ornn and Camille that interact specifically with the terrain.

But no other champ has quite the impact on the map like Taliyah does.

Her passive directly interacts with the map itself, her Q forces to move around to other parts of the map for new ground, her E lays down dangerous terrain....and her ultimate. Need I say more?

One aspect of the past Ultimate skins is that they all have a simple theme that they can expand on, and a certain aspect of their character that Riot can really crank up to 11. Udyr and spirits, Sona and music, Lux and elements, MF and her guns (Ez is the odd one out since he was the first one). Taliyah checks both of those boxes, being basically just an Earthbender.

Her character design is simple enough to allow plenty of room for exploration, and she has one aspect that Riot can knock out of the park (changing terrain). And, amazingly, she actually fits my now defunct rules for a champion getting a legendary or ultimate!

  • It's been years since her last skin.
  • She's more than 3 years old (she'll be 4 in May)
  • She doesn't have a Legendary

Only one she doesn't really fit is the finishing of the team. That said....Sona top is a thing now, Taliyah support actually isn't that bad, and Lux support has always been a thing. So, season 10 inadvertently finished the team for us!




#Conclusion

I can not say for certain that Taliyah is getting the next Ultimate skin, especially since my speculation is coming from just 25 seconds of a YouTube video. But, since Riot loves to tease the shit out of us whenever they get an opportunity, I'm optimistic that that little hint dropped is just enough info for us to make a pretty accurate guess. Not to mention that Taliyah is a prime candidate for such a prestigious skin.

As for when we will see it....well, it's entirely possible that we won't see it until closer to the end of the year. The Ask Riot article about Ultimate skins came out 7 months ago, and, every other ultimate skin has taken around 18 months to complete from the previous Ultimate skin. If we apply those 18 months to when the article was released, that puts the possible release date for around November or December. Remember, that list was a list of champs that would be getting skins this year, and so, we do have to be patient to see when they come around.


And there you have it folks!

I do hope you enjoyed my return to this series. I took a bit of a break from League, which added to the time it took to make this one. I only intended to come back once Riot decided to release a new game....6 months later, the 10 year anniversary announcements drop. So, here I am (loving LoR, btw!).

Let me know what you think about the possibility of Taliyah getting the next Ultimate skin, or if you have any ideas as to who the next recipient may be. And yes, you are free to be as biased as you want (if I was allowed to be biased, it'd be Ashe all the way!).

In the meantime, thanks for reading! Electro522

27 Comments

Deνiruchi2/7/2020, 3:08:23 PM3 votes

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But...if there's one thing the Ultimate line does, it's not conform to any current skin line. If anything, they spawn skin lines of their own (evident with the Pulsefire line).

They don't spawn new skin lines, they get their very own. Pulsefire was the only case that opened it into a line for how underwhelming Ezreal's ultimate was. At best it wasn't even a legendary tier skin so it made sense to make it a regular skin line of epic tier because its thematic wasn't that special, just a glorified project line, but in blue.

About Taliyah, I would love to see her getting an ultimate but I don't think that's gonna happen. They give ultimates to popular champions that will make them loads of guaranteed money, and as niche meta Taliyah was in the past, she's not popular, sadly. She's the kind of champion that only gets popular when she's good, not the kind of champion that attracts a playerbase like Ahri or Lux, even when they aren't/weren't strong. In my opinion, she got a bigger emphasis on the skin video because she basically hasn't received a skin of her own since her release on 2016, nearly 4 years now, other than an esports skin that was picked by the winning worlds team, which don't even count towards the regular skin production as rito said so themselves in the past. Ornn is on the same boat, although Ornn is 1 year younger and without a worlds skin. It was strange that Taliyah didn't even receive a skin when she was a meta pick (even in the jungle, and even in pro play) for a while, being played constantly. So that's why I think they made her "special" in the video, but again I very much doubt it's because of ultimate skin, which I would love to be wrong about.

Yordle Gunner2/7/2020, 8:14:21 PM3 votes

No one has given me a valid reason for why GG MF is a bad skin. It is a higher quality than Elementalist Lux. And if you disagree, have you tried playing Elementalist Lux for a week straight? Elementalist lux has clunky animations on her autos when canceling them and stopping, you can tell the voice actress had a hard time doing all the different styles, the script is terrible, it's nothing but Puns and eventually gets really old, AND her voice lines for the different skins don't even cover all her interactions, such as Shop. You go fire? She still talks nice to shopkeeper. GG MF however, is consistent, it takes the idea of Elementalist Lux and refines it into a package that feels good to play and doesn't get old.

AND most of Elementalist lux's different skins don't have different abilities, it's almost all just "chromas" of the abilities, While GG MF actually DOES have different Particles. GGMF is better than Elementalist Lux in every way.

Sukishoo2/7/2020, 2:42:18 PM3 votes

Personally I don't see Taliyah getting an ultimate skin. She is still generally underplayed, and they want high tier skins to sell. They just had her in the video the way they did inorder to hype her player base.

nJacob2/7/2020, 2:49:55 PM2 votes

Eh, unpopular champion with just 1 single non-legacy skin, doubt they'd hide the only other non-legacy skin behind a 3250 RP paywall.

Plus, as I said, unpopular champion. How many people would buy a 3250 RP Taliyah skin? Riot said they are going to increase the number of skins released this year as well, which means lots and lots of skins for almost everybody. With 120 skins planned for this year, only a handful of champions will NOT get a skin this year.

I seriously doubt they will give an unpopular champion such a huge skin. They said they will give popular champions skins too, and I can see something like Kai'Sa or Akali being way more likely to get the Ultimate than Taliyah.

It would cash in enough income to give Riot the funds to create a lot of less popular skins that may not bring in enough cash by themselves to justify the effort put into them.

The reason they emphasized so much on Taliyah in the video is not so deep imo, the community (the Reddit one especially) has been DYING for a Taliyah skin that is NOT BLUE and every time there's a new champion skin release people lose their shit that Taliyah still does not have a new skin. That was, in my opinion, just Riot memeing.

XD haha2/7/2020, 2:39:10 PM2 votes

I would love if it was taliyah, but she just doesn't have enough popularity to warrant enough buyers.

Chembaron Yamada2/7/2020, 2:33:39 PM2 votes

I hope the next ultimate skin goes to Jinx. Jinx

Let's be honest, as seen by the trend with Lux and Miss Fortune, it seems that ultimate skins mostly go to popular champions, which makes sense since these high cost skins will get bought more if given to popular champions.

And I know that Jinx doesn't fit your "doesn't have a legendary skin" rule, but I highly doubt that such rule is in place for Riot at all. Ezreal already had an ultimate skin and still got a legendary skin added with Battle Academia, I think it is not farfetched that the same can happen in the opposite order.


Taliyah is unlikely in my opinion, one reason is that she is not really that popular as far as I know, the second is that they won't release an ultimate skin as the first legit skin after her release (the worlds skin doesn't count for the skin schedule).

Taliyah deserves a good skin, but I don't think it will be an ultimate tier. Maybe she will get a legendary, tho, since Kayn also got a legendary skin as his first after release skin.

ADC Yuumi2/11/2020, 9:54:22 PM1 votes

If it's Taliyah, it ain't gonna be Star Guardian. I feel like either they do what they did with Ezreal and break the universe into mini sections. ( Elementalist Epic skins, with the focus being different elements per champion. ) Or she'll get a map altering ultimate skin. ( When I say map altering, it's the fact that that's the last thing an ultimate skin needs to do. PF Ezreal gave custom kill effects, Udyr gave skill + evolutional appearance changes, DJ Sona gave music, Ele. Lux gave a 'custom quest', GGMF gave chromas. The last thing needed is map or hud based. )

Thorn30002/15/2020, 10:43:57 AM1 votes

how can you write an entire article on skins and not mention "prestige" skins?

GGMF showed riot that they can overcharge for skins of lower quality than before

before the rule was, maker higher quality skin, charge higher price + always increase quality of skins in a certain price range

so each level, epic, legendary, ultimate, had a set of rules that were implemented + the quality of those rules within each level increased as tech increased (from pulsefire ez, through spirit guard udyr, up to elementalist lux)

however this instance showed them, they can create a lower quality skin (GGMF) within the same level and get away with it (or overcharge for skin in a particular level, but we will get to that later), it was actually offered for same price as others if you bought the whole bundle like border and icon (if I remember correctly)...and sales showed them majority of people buying it, bought it this way, instead of the cheaper-than-ultimate skin-only version...count two and two together and you will see that creating a lower quality skin + border + icon costs much less than creating a higher quality skin, if they both sell for the same price, it is clear what a company looking for profit is going to choose

so, since they found out the can lower quality in a certain level and still sell, they tried another gimmick which was increase the price in a certain level...and so lo and behold, so they churned out 'prestige' line, which is just 1350RP skins but for higher prices than ultimate, they marketed the first ones as being for 'achievement' how you had to play a lot to get kaisa etc. but we know where that went after a while...within 1.5 years of prestige skin line release its already getting crowded in there, havent played lol for months now, but remember a year ago a new prestige skin was in every second patch

you want a real prediction who is going to get the next ultimate skin?

A. its going to be a girl B. its going to be either - Jinx, Kaisa, Qiyana, Senna, Neeko, Zoe C. there will be the first ever prestige variant of an ultimate, its going to cost, A LOT, and its going to be marketed only for the 'real dedicated' but we know that every kid on the blog is going to chew their parents ear off to get it, and riot knows too and is planning on this D. the skin will be sold in a bundle with some other crap and will cost more than 3150RP, I predict around 4500RP, the bundle will be marketed at having 'a lot' of content, but its going to have some useless border and some icon that nobody will ever use OR E. it really is probably, that actually a new ultimate skin does NOT get released, or they release ones much less often than before...why? it costs a lot to make and only gets sold for 3150rp...meanwhile prestige skins take next to nothing to make as they are just chromas of existing skins, but sell for way more...even the first one, kaisa, that I got, even if I played every damn day of the event I still had to pay around 8000RP for it...nowadays I am sure you cannot go under this price for it, you get some content you did not want too, but honestly you do not really care about a bunch of random content from chests, the chances are you do not even play the champs and if you do, you probably already have the skin you want on them, so that additional content is useless

you really want to repair the way has been treating us with skins recently? stop buying prestige skins, stop buying 20th skin on the same champ, buy 1 that you like the most per champ...this will motivate them to create high quality skins and per different champs, as people will just buy the best thing on a champ...because currently even if lux girls have elementalist, they still readily ask guys in every game to buy them any lux skin they are missing incl. newer than elementalist ones...thats what killing both the quality of skins (i.e. people do not value a BEST skin for a champ) and the amount of skins between champs (i.e. same champs getting skins every patch)...a champs playrate wouldnt matter for choosing to create a skin for if people simply didnt buy a new skin unless it was higher legendary>ultimate etc. because they already have the best skin

Kazekiba2/7/2020, 3:52:26 PM1 votes

Next Ultimate skin is likely going to be Aatrox, since Riot wont stop shilling this dude like ANYBODY likes him, or Aphelios because someone gave him 5 weapons, which already fits the "Form changing" thematics of an Ultimate.

But OP, youre missing one. There's TWO supports with Ultimate skins, Eclipse Leona being the other.

Not to mention that Taliyah is a prime candidate for such a prestigious skin.

No, she isn't. A Rioter even posed the statement on Twitter, "Even when Taliyah was the BEST CHAMPION IN THE ENTIRE GAME, no one played her." when asking why her playrate is so low (hint: It's her Q punishing you for using it, and her double-edged Ultimate. No one wants to play against themselves) Putting a lot of effort into a skin is a great way to lose tons of money, when you could just throw out a lazy Order of the Lotus skin, slap some pretty flowers in a vain attempt to make Taliyah cute (Also partly why she gets no skins/players, she's deliberately unattractive) and forget about her the way they did Ivern

Saezio2/7/2020, 4:21:13 PM1 votes

GGMF needs to be remade honestly.

It's a bullcrap skin not even close to the other ultimates (except maybe udyr?)

It's gimmick feels so much worse than lux and ez skins and ez has been around since season 3?4? like....

Saezio2/7/2020, 4:30:03 PM1 votes

I thought they weren't gonna make any more ultimate skins though?

If they did, I guess prime candidates are champions that

A) Don't already have an ultimate skin. B) Have a high popularity C) A lot of people otp them D) Would be best if they didn't have many other elaborate skin choices.

Obviously A matters more than B more than C more than D.

Ahri Caitlyn Jinx LeeSin Lucian Riven Thresh Vayne Yasuo Zed Zoe are the most likely ones I think

illUwU2/7/2020, 7:33:24 PM1 votes

Ok boomer

Zoli Ben2/10/2020, 9:54:49 PM1 votes

Taliyah ultimate skin: The day Riot bombs hard on an ultimate skin.