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"BECAUSE SHE IS A GURL, GET IT?" Dumb changes to Fiora's lore.

Shodance·10/9/2015, 12:35:45 PM·9 votes·1,677 views

To start off, out of no where Fiora is treated as "A GURL" and has to train in dueling secretly because she is "A GURL" and is super oppressed as "A GURL", as opposed to her previous lore where being "A GURL" had no factor, and she just wanted to match her fathers skill in dueling and didn't have to hide it.

She then denies a forced marriage made for her because she is "A GURL" (Which was never brought up in her original lore), which brings dishonor to her family name, leading to a duel between the two families. Instead of her getting to fight in the duel, her father has to fight instead because she is "A GURL".

In her old lore her father has to take place in a duel due to reasons unrelated to Fiora; and her father tries to poison his opponent just like in the new lore.

This leads to Fiora having to fight her father.

However, instead of Fiora requesting the duel to reclaim her family's namesake because she cares more about her image and skills rather than her own father, its played off as "OH I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS, IM SORRY FATHER THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO REGAIN OUR HONOR TEARS"

She isn't doing it because she WANTS to gain her families namesake back, she is doing it because her father would either be hung and humiliated, or could be fought so they could regain their name.

Also this line in the new lore:

"With her father dead at her feet, Fiora became the head of House Laurent (much to the surprise of her older brothers...)."

Okay, so WHY? Riot, this is a completely different universe where gender issues like this never seemed to have popped up before because it was irrelevant. This is a fantasy world that gains NOTHING from that outlook.

They changed Fiora from a hard working, cut-throat duelist who only cares about being the greatest fighter in all of Valoran, going so far as too kill her own father without a second thought, to "A GURL" who is SO OPPRESSED in this fantasy world that has no reason to have gender issues, and she is SO EMOTIONAL about killing her father because she has no choice but to gain her honor back.

Fucking, why Riot? To what purpose do these dumb changes serve? This makes Fiora so much more of a weak character.

23 Comments

OverpoweredSoap10/9/2015, 1:58:38 PM6 votes

The only thing I disliked about it was the whole "girl defies arranged marriage to truly be herself!" thing. as that's a little cliche, but the way she had to deal with it and the outcome was vastly different as it usually turns out.

It also gives her a reason to be this big bitch as we see her.

Another thing is that it opens our eyes to what Demacia as a society really is, it's not perfect, and seems rather flawed, her lore helps us see that Demacia is getting some development (finally) in lore.

CoTheSlow10/9/2015, 1:13:26 PM4 votes

I think you put more emphasis on girl then they did. Her knew lore is about society wanting her to be one thing and then her having to fight to be the other. Her ultimate duel that she is fighting is the views of the Demacian people, both for the honor of her house along with herself. She is a female but that doesn't stop her from being a great duelist, that may in fact make her a better one. Yes it uses some tropes based at girls but you could easily swap the genders and have a similar story.

Fiora's character always had a 'isn't it surprising the best Duelist in Demacia is a girl' aspect to it anyway.

Jamaree10/9/2015, 12:45:57 PM4 votes

Honestly, I think it is better in just about everyway, more developed and far less vain. Demacia draws many of it parallels to old school medieval times where woman were seen more so as bartering tools then actual people, Fiora takes a Joan of Arc kind of approach to being a woman and proudly proclaims herself better then that, I don't see the problem with that.

Dextix LT10/9/2015, 7:12:51 PM3 votes

This actually gives her character depth, not just "Best duelist EU, the end"

Also considering that Demacia is based on Monarchy from our world this aint that far from the truth. This shit did happen.

Ralanr10/9/2015, 5:42:38 PM2 votes

I think it was meant to shed more light on the social atmosphere and traditions of Demacia than say, "Fiora goes against gender traditions cause reasons!" From what we understand of Noxus, anyone can become great with enough effort. Demacia shows they are opposite (again) in that people are not born with much choice in where they are intended to go. They are bound by their traditions and if they don't follow them (thereby being dishonorable) then they are expelled from the kingdom along with their titles removed. I'm honestly starting to wonder if Noxus was originally part of Demacia.

As for Firoa's "cliche" in her story, so what? No idea is original, it only matters on how it is presented. There are thousands of revenge stories that follow the same plot (some with twists), but we only remember the good ones because of how they were presented. If anything it does help point out that Fiora is a bit of a bitch and she's aware of it. She also doesn't care. She's more focused on her individual responsibilities, which include the stability of her house because she is now the head. And many fictional settings are drawn from our time periods, looks like Demacia is very french.

She wanted a responsibility where she actually did something. Fiora would be a very upstanding noxian.

Maximum Morde10/9/2015, 12:54:55 PM2 votes

Just pink ward her lunges.

Weiner the Pooh10/9/2015, 1:49:50 PM2 votes

How does it make her a weaker character? If anything It makes her so much stronger. She's a person who defied everything that was custom, someone who is rebelling against an entire kingdom to prove that she's not a pawn in someone else's game. She proves she's this fierce independent young woman and you say it makes her weaker?

Ra1d10/9/2015, 2:49:09 PM2 votes

I like the new lore personally. Itsa muvh better story gives more insight to demacian society and gives her a more relatable and inspirational character bio than the old lore did. Sure its a old cliche kind of story but its one that works and makes her feel like someone youd truly respect.

TurquoiseYoshi10/9/2015, 8:39:30 PM2 votes

Honestly, this is very strong in Riot's attempt to make Demacia and Noxus nearly equal in ethics. Noxus has a decent idea around their base model (strength in all forms is all-important), but has some problems about sacrificing their own troops and all that. Demacia is all for light and justice, but is definitively cruel in upholding those morals, as well as pretty strict in societal roles.

Forced marriages, in French and other European nations in the Renaissance time period (which is pretty close to what Demacia is supposed to be) were very common. Hell, read Romeo and Juliet, which is located in a city in Italy in that time period.

Shénzhì10/11/2015, 9:17:18 AM1 votes

Fiora's background may be cliche but it now gives us insight into the world of Demacia .. and it now feels comparable to Noxus.

Krigjer10/9/2015, 8:44:31 PM1 votes

Because wanting to be the strongest fighter ever, just because, with no real backstory, is boring. It's been done countless times in Riot's lore.

At least now she has a believable reason.

DragonShea10/10/2015, 12:35:23 AM1 votes

Markus didn't order Kat to stay in the kitchen to bake cookies and babies a future husband. Nah. He train her to be his successor. This is where Noxus get a big score because Kat, Cassie and Riven are treated the same as the men and kick just as much ass. Demacia a sexist shithole and Fiora really got a lot of shit now. I mean, that last guy was eying her tits like an animal and got a slashed throat for his troubles. her dad died after he tried to poison the strongest champion of the Crownguard (implied to be freaking Garen) got busted and then killed by her in a dual because she ain't no submissive bitch.

Weiner the Pooh10/10/2015, 1:21:54 AM1 votes

i think the lore is good, i really like the fact that they made it where shes rebellious and refuses to be someoneelses pawn. it really developes her character in a way that shows she not like the other demacians and that shes her own person fit to make her own life and seize her own destiny. it might be cliche but riot did a kick ass job on this lore.

GreenLore10/9/2015, 4:09:41 PM1 votes

1.You say that gender roles have no place in a fantasy world and they add nothing to it.That arguement is pretty much as good as "it is a fantasy world,so war/racism/social status/etc. adds nothing to it".Gender roles exist everywhere in human history,why wouldn't they also exist in a fantasy world(also men are most likely forced into social roles as well)

2.You say old fiora never cared about what others think?Then why the heck did she fight her father in a duel(even threatening to kill him if he didn't surrender at the end)just because her father brought shame to her family?Yes her lore mentioned that she herself wanted to prove her power,but it also tells us that she wanted to clear her familys name.

3.You are seriously pissed that Fiora is sad about having to kill her own father?I mean its not like she had much of a choice here,he would either be killed and her whole family would get exiled,or she kills him in a duel.He was dead anyway.