My problem with the pale man being Death

Rito Staff·Sep 14, 2015·3 votes·2,262 views

1st - Death splits itself into 2 and Life comes out? Because when you have an apple and you cut it into 2 you get a watermellon. ok.

2nd - If the Wolf is Death, why does the Wolf asks why Death was lonely? It should know.

I see it more like there was the Purple color who was lonely and split itself into Red and Blue.

"White is an achromatic color, literally a "color without color", composed of a mixture of all frequencies of the light of the visible spectrum."

The pale man is white. Shunned by all visible frequencies. You can't see white. Your brain sees the no-color which is the oneness of the spectrums.

The oneness is alone, so it splits and contrast is born and then It can experience Itself. Wolf n' Lamb are the same and only pale man.

19 Comments

DartFeldSep 14, 20154 votes

I posted this somewhere else, but here's my take on it (copied and pasted):

I don't think its about life and death. It appears to be about an entity that was so lonely that he split himself in two. Seeing as they were born of the same entity they will forever have a bond and will never be truly lonely. Now he couldn't just make a copy of himself, he couldn't give half of his happiness, half of his anger, half of any single emotion to each side. So I think the wolf and the lamb are representative of how he split himself up. The lamb being along the lines of calmness, peacefulness, and the like. The wolf containing the anger, ferocity, contempt, and so on. This is evidenced by the remark "did he chase them all?" But my interpretation doesn't end there. In the teaser the wolf seems mentally young and inexperienced.

"Tell me a story" "Why was it lonely"

He doesn't have the memories to know that this isn't just a story, but the way he came to be. Seeing as the wolf may contain all the rage and none of the peacefulness, the entity knew that having those memories would make the wolf uncontrollable and an absolute unchecked terror. So he left those memories and those experiences to the lamb. The one that will remain calm, composed, and peaceful about it's past. It doesn't seem that this was completely successful. The wolf seems to have lingering pieces of memory about being lonely. "Why was it lonely" instead of "why was HE lonely." He asks as if he means "why did it feel lonely before?" But seeing as they are split emotions, he doesn't understand just how being lonely would feel, just that the feeling once existed in his past.

I also think this entity has something to do with death, but not quite the way you're thinking. I feel like this entity is analogous of Charon, the ferryman of the dead in Greek mythology. It is not death itself.

"All things must meet this man, so they shunned him"

In regards to Greek mythology, the souls of all mortals must take take the ferry to the underworld. All souls must meet Charon. That would be one of the loneliest things anyone could ever do, and would definitely be "shunned" by all. take souls from one place to another never to see the same soul twice.

Now in the case of this entity, since the mark appears randomly upon death, it could be related to the force responsible for bringing the champions soul from the battlefield back to the fountain, And playing into the player experience. no one goes "I want to stay in this limbo where I can't do anything." Everyone wants to re spawn. They want to leave this limbo between death and re spawn, eagerly awaiting to reappear in the fountain and leave whatever force (or entity) gets them there. Effectively "shunning" the entity responsible.

Rito StaffSep 15, 20151 votes

:o caronte I know that guy. I think this fits better. I was thinking of a grave digger. People only go to the graveyard to visit the dead, which end up shunning the one who works there, whom is not death. Then because he talked to himself he split his personality in two. He's the crazy grave digger. Though we have one already I dont think it's a grave digger

So you're saying he's the respawn timer? xD (joke)

DartFeldSep 15, 20152 votes

thats actually exactly what i mean :P

admittedly, i don't know much of anything about the lore around the fields of justice. i really dont know what or if their viewpoint on what causes champions to respawn has ever been revealed... I really hope its not something like "Because magics..." so im not specifically joking, but i cant say with any degree of certainty that i'm wrong :P i think it would be a neat concept, though. not the timer its self, but whatever brings them back to the fountain from where they died, manifested as a champion.

GreenLoreSep 14, 20153 votes

What if Death didn't divide itself into life&death,but into something different?

They could represent death&afterlife,or violent&peaceful death,etc.

JusticePauldronsSep 15, 20151 votes

exactly what I have been telling people, deaths splits itself in two out of loneliness, and the two beings it created are two different aspects of death. Wolf represents people died in violent ways while the lamb represents people who die peacefully.

ShénzhìSep 14, 20152 votes

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1st - Death splits itself into 2 and Life comes out? Because when you have an apple and you cut it into 2 you get a watermellon. ok.

Life includes death. It's natural cycle. Afterlife is something else.

Rito StaffSep 14, 20153 votes

But that's like saying there was Death before there was Life. Which is not accepted by physics.

"It's a natural cycle"

Cycle excludes a beginning. So Death didn't start it by cutting itself into half.

There was something else, who cut itself into half, and contrast (life and death) came into being. Big Bang.

redniwediSSep 14, 20152 votes

I think what he's saying is the pale man is the cycle, not Death. He might see himself as Death, but he is not.

Rito StaffSep 14, 20152 votes

Thank you. I think I'm being trolled. :c

ShénzhìSep 14, 20151 votes

What the fk?

ShénzhìSep 14, 20151 votes

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But that's like saying there was Death before there was Life. Which is not accepted by physics.

Is there an end or beginning to the universe? Chicken or the egg?

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I think what he's saying is the pale man is the cycle, not Death. He might see himself as Death, but he is not.

Mortality and Immortality in the same universe. Those who 'shunned death' may have sought to defy death so 'he split himself in two'. Continuing from this, I can't quite comprehend my thoughts...

Rito StaffSep 14, 20151 votes

OMG DO YOU EVEN READ WHAT I WRITE?

"Is there an end or beginning to the universe? Chicken or the egg?"

EXACTLY, EXACTLY. But YOU are saying there was Death who cut itself into half.

Are you or are you not saying death came first? (Because you are I can quote lol)

333lomSep 15, 20151 votes

Funny thing is, the egg came first, that's even proven - mutations happened when the first real chicken embryo was created, and the animal that laid that egg was a different species.. Okay, sorry for my rambling, I really like these kinds of "paradoxes"...

Anyway, the more I think about it, it really does seem stupid that only when Death split himself in two, created, again, Death and Life. There were live people before that as well. I guess? Here's another thing: Riot said the new champ will be closely tied to Death. Not to Life AND Death.

What if the Lamb is equally evil as the Wolf?

Rito StaffSep 14, 20151 votes

Life and Death is a cycle. Do we agree?
No one can say which came first. Do we agree?

Ok good.

I'm saying, what redniwediS pointed out, that the pale man is both, he's the cycle. Just like White is all spectrums and none in particular.

The oneness is boring and lonely. It interacts with nothing because it has nothing to interact with.

Ebonmaw DragonSep 14, 20152 votes

Plotwist: the pale man was actually Life and created Lamb (Life) and Wolf (Death) after he "cut" himself. That would explain why Lamb remembers the event but Wolf doesn't.

Rito StaffSep 14, 20151 votes

that'd make way more sense as Life can give birth to life and also yes because the Lamb can remember. Still I don't think so but way better then saying Death split it self into death and life. Sense plz? are you there?

JusticePauldronsSep 15, 20151 votes

I don't think it has anything to do with LIFE & Death, but rather both are aspects of death. Think about their names, the wolf and the lamb. One is a common symbol of savagery and ill intent, while the other is a symbol of peace and innocence. My guess is the wolf represents those who died in violent or savage ways. and the lamb represents those who die peacefully such as old age or without regret. It wouldn't really make sense for death to split himself in two and then have one of his split personalities have power over life.

GreenLoreSep 18, 20151 votes

So yeah now the dev blog more or less confirms that they are death.

Kindred was originally supposed to represent life&death,but in the end they both represent different aspects of death(like I said). Wolf doesn't know many things,but feels a lot,which is why he didn't understand that he was once part of the "pale man" and that said pale man is death.