There's no "but actually!" , Zoe is a child.

Rodsquad·Apr 15, 2019·49 votes·19,375 views

Zoe - Biography - Universe of League of Legends

It's written clear in her lore.

"Her Lunari teachers reported Zoe to be an imaginative child, but willful, lazy, easily distracted, and mischievous." "It observed as the young girl playfully mocked the angry cries of the Lunari priests chasing her" "Returning home after millennia, Zoe has aged barely a year. Though Runeterra has changed little from her perspective, she arrives full of teenage curiosity for humans and her fellow Aspects."

I've just seen a lot of posts like "actually Zoe is "legal" " and it always bugged me like "how she looks like shes 12." and reading her story finally cemented that oh no she is a child people who use the term "loli" are just being creeps again. Lots of adult women in League look younger than they are. making her stand out less as an actual young person but still. Her eyes are half the size of her head and she skips and plays jumprope when she runs, blows raspberries , has silly kid crushes, its just. She's a kid being a kid.

Ezreals "cradle robber " quote certainly doesnt help but Ezreals not the smartest is he.

136 Comments

MyrmironApr 15, 201948 votes

Pretty sure you're taking the memes too seriously and should probably loosen up a bit. No one is actually talking about fucking children, they're all just memeing Riot for introducing the stereotypical hentai trope of "looks 12 but is actually totally 18 because the author said so, double, triple swear!". (-> Zoe looks 12 but is actually 308273497216340 because Riot said so.)

KestrelGirlApr 15, 20194 votes

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Pretty sure you're taking the memes too seriously and should probably loosen up a bit. No one is actually talking about fucking children, they're all just memeing Riot for introducing the stereotypical hentai trope of "looks 12 but is actually totally 18 because the author said so, double, triple swear!". (-> Zoe looks 12 but is actually 308273497216340 because Riot said so.)

Tell that to the people who actually draw lewds of her. Unfortunately, it's not just a meme.

Gay Rights YuumiApr 15, 20193 votes

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Pretty sure you're taking the memes too seriously and should probably loosen up a bit. No one is actually talking about fucking children, they're all just memeing Riot for introducing the stereotypical hentai trope of "looks 12 but is actually totally 18 because the author said so, double, triple swear!". (-> Zoe looks 12 but is actually 308273497216340 because Riot said so.)

Not been on the internet for long have you? Just look up Kayn/Zoe and educate yourself

MyrmironApr 15, 20193 votes

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Not been on the internet for long have you? Just look up Kayn/Zoe and educate yourself

I have been on the internet long enough to know Rule 34 and know that porn existing of something means absolutely nothing because there's porn of literally everything.

Pandemic PunchApr 15, 20197 votes

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Pretty sure you're taking the memes too seriously and should probably loosen up a bit. No one is actually talking about fucking children, they're all just memeing Riot for introducing the stereotypical hentai trope of "looks 12 but is actually totally 18 because the author said so, double, triple swear!". (-> Zoe looks 12 but is actually 308273497216340 because Riot said so.)

This

IfnethApr 16, 20192 votes

More like, Riot introduced a kid, who then was R34’d, causing a panicked release saying that she was actually really old.

The EcdysiastApr 15, 201916 votes

That's like saying someone's a child just because they're short and immature. That just isn't how it works.

There is a way you'd be right though. And that's if she had been traveling near the speed of light the entire time, making it so she only experienced a year while in fact millennia had passed for everyone else.

But that's not the case. She lived all those years. Just because she didn't mature doesn't mean they didn't happen. Ezreal's "cradle robber" quote is a reference to that fact.

You're just wrong.

AnotherPurple379Apr 15, 20193 votes

Hm, don't think that's the case. To me, if she has the body of a teenager/child, she has the mindset of one too. And the mindsets between fully grown adults and children are EXTREMELY different. It doesn't matter how much either has experienced. Zoe still has the mindset and looks at the world through a child's eyes. If she were a grown adult, she would be acting differently and processing the information she has learned differently.

Zoe is still a child, because she has the body, minset, and maturity of one. It doesn't matter how much she's seen, she is still a child, not an adult. Seeing things doesn't make automatically you an adult. Growing up does. And Zoe does not want to grow up.

The EcdysiastApr 15, 20193 votes

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Hm, don't think that's the case. To me, if she has the body of a teenager/child, she has the mindset of one too. And the mindsets between fully grown adults and children are EXTREMELY different. It doesn't matter how much either has experienced. Zoe still has the mindset and looks at the world through a child's eyes. If she were a grown adult, she would be acting differently and processing the information she has learned differently.

Zoe is still a child, because she has the body, minset, and maturity of one. It doesn't matter how much she's seen, she is still a child, not an adult. Seeing things doesn't make automatically you an adult. Growing up does. And Zoe does not want to grow up.

What matters is how long she's seen things. Not how much she has seen. She is 2000 years old, no matter how you want to try to redefine age.

She_acts_ however she wants to act. And that's where you're confusing maturity and adulthood. Maturity is a matter of experience and conduct. Adulthood is nothing more than a matter of age. She can act immature all she wants. Jinx does the same.

AnotherPurple379Apr 16, 20192 votes

You haven't changed my point.

It doesn't matter to me how many years she's been around, she still has the physical body and the mindset of a child. So to many, she is considered a child. Her lore considers her a child.

Zoe is immortal, and will never grow up because she doesn't want to. She will never become an adult. It doesn't matter how long she will be around. She will never consider herself grown up, and her mindset and physical self will remain that of a child's.

She acts how she wants to act? She acts like a child. She is in no way mature, and in the same vein, she has the body of a child, so in the physical sense, she's not an adult either. She is neither an adult nor is she mature.

You're seriously trying to say she's an adult?

Also - I don't think children have developed the maturity of an adult. They haven't, because biologically their brains aren't fully developed. The matter of adults acting child-like is something different. Either the adults' brains are wired differently, or it's how they choose to act. To me, children can't choose to be mature or immature the same way an adult does, because they don't have the same brains as adults.

Zoe does prefer to act child-like rather than like an adult. But she's still a child, and sees and processes the world the way a child does.

In order to truly to be an adult, her body and her brain should have changed. But they barely did, so she's still a child.

The EcdysiastApr 16, 20191 votes

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You haven't changed my point.

It doesn't matter to me how many years she's been around, she still has the physical body and the mindset of a child. So to many, she is considered a child. Her lore considers her a child.

Zoe is immortal, and will never grow up because she doesn't want to. She will never become an adult. It doesn't matter how long she will be around. She will never consider herself grown up, and her mindset and physical self will remain that of a child's.

She acts how she wants to act? She acts like a child. She is in no way mature, and in the same vein, she has the body of a child, so in the physical sense, she's not an adult either. She is neither an adult nor is she mature.

You're seriously trying to say she's an adult?

Also - I don't think children have developed the maturity of an adult. They haven't, because biologically their brains aren't fully developed. The matter of adults acting child-like is something different. Either the adults' brains are wired differently, or it's how they choose to act. To me, children can't choose to be mature or immature the same way an adult does, because they don't have the same brains as adults.

Zoe does prefer to act child-like rather than like an adult. But she's still a child, and sees and processes the world the way a child does.

In order to truly to be an adult, her body and her brain should have changed. But they barely did, so she's still a child.

You have no basis for saying she has the mindset of a child. She acts however she wants. But she is still the Aspect of Twilight, still the monster who murdered the Ascended and sentenced Aatrox, Rhaast, and Varus to fates worse than any hell.

You can keep saying, "I", "I", "I", all you want. Your baseless claims don't change the facts. She is a minimum of 2012 years old. Possibly more, since it doesn't specify how many millennia. It doesn't say she felt like she had experienced millennia away, or that she experienced only a year while the world continued for thousands. She was gone for thousands of years, and lived during that time.

You're just wrong. You keep trying to change the definition of an adult to fit your warped view, and that just doesn't fly.

AnotherPurple379Apr 16, 20192 votes

Yes, she acts how she wants and acts the way she does because she is a child. My point was that she doesn't have an adult mindset in the first place. Also, baseless claims? You think that me saying that children don't have developed brains like adults is "baseless?" I thought it was common knowledge.

In this context, age is not simply defined by a number like you say it is, because Zoe is a special case. She has lived for a long time, yes, yet maintained the body and viewpoint of a child, and it canonly stated she barely aged a year. In this case, she did not jump from a child to an adult in the span of one year. She is still a child, just one year older.

It doesn't matter how many years old you say she is or how much she has experienced, or for how long she's experienced them. She still maintains the body and mindset of a child, so I, and many other people, and possibly Riot themselves, consider her a child.

At least answer me this: Do you think Zoe is not a child? Do you think she is an adult?

P.S: I only ever said "I" once at my last comment. The rest of the time, I was trying to present you with how it adds up in a factual manner. I don't understand why you had to bring up something that I didn't do.

You think I'm twisting things to my "warped" view? I'm just saying that in every way except chronologically, she's a child, and so it's not that hard to consider her a child. Is that something you disagree with?

The EcdysiastApr 16, 20193 votes

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Yes, she acts how she wants and acts the way she does because she is a child. My point was that she doesn't have an adult mindset in the first place. Also, baseless claims? You think that me saying that children don't have developed brains like adults is "baseless?" I thought it was common knowledge.

In this context, age is not simply defined by a number like you say it is, because Zoe is a special case. She has lived for a long time, yes, yet maintained the body and viewpoint of a child, and it canonly stated she barely aged a year. In this case, she did not jump from a child to an adult in the span of one year. She is still a child, just one year older.

It doesn't matter how many years old you say she is or how much she has experienced, or for how long she's experienced them. She still maintains the body and mindset of a child, so I, and many other people, and possibly Riot themselves, consider her a child.

At least answer me this: Do you think Zoe is not a child? Do you think she is an adult?

P.S: I only ever said "I" once at my last comment. The rest of the time, I was trying to present you with how it adds up in a factual manner. I don't understand why you had to bring up something that I didn't do.

You think I'm twisting things to my "warped" view? I'm just saying that in every way except chronologically, she's a child, and so it's not that hard to consider her a child. Is that something you disagree with?

No, she's not. You're the sicko for seeing her and thinking, "yeah, this child who is definitely just playing is totally just a child, fighting things like Cho'gath, Aatrox, Urgot, etc."

You may have been attempting to present things as if you were being factual, but none of what you said has been in line with the truth. You keep lying, trying to say that how he acts is how she thinks, but we know from the Twilight of the Gods story that that isn't the case. Knowing how she talks does not mean you know her mindset.

Craft ZeppelinApr 16, 20191 votes

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No, she's not. You're the sicko for seeing her and thinking, "yeah, this child who is definitely just playing is totally just a child, fighting things like Cho'gath, Aatrox, Urgot, etc."

You may have been attempting to present things as if you were being factual, but none of what you said has been in line with the truth. You keep lying, trying to say that how he acts is how she thinks, but we know from the Twilight of the Gods story that that isn't the case. Knowing how she talks does not mean you know her mindset.

I totally agree, the most important part is what the characters in the canon lore thinks of her, rather than us. Ezreal believes Zoe is just acting like a child. Zoe thinks she is in competition with Lux. (That same age as Lux part makes it confusing as well.) but on the other spectrum, Aatrox is scared shitless just by SEEING her. He knows what is going to happen and what she can do.

I believe its the lack of interactions with "humans" that make Zoe childish from our standpoint because of manners. But she on the other hand thinks that we "lack" a lot of stuff she has, like freedom of responsibility/expression, near-infinite experience and immortality, powerful magic...Which comes to the question, who is the "child" now then?

Also another thing. I think there is a good explanation why Zoe likes Ezreal, but never talked about any other "boys". Ezreal exercises his freedom for adventure, curiosity just as strongly as Zoe does. He even has a dimension warping bracelet. Many may dismiss this as another example of "childish" behavior, but once you think of it it is quite logic why she thinks Ezreal suits her. She is just carefully concealing "why" she chose him.

PS: Zoe thinks this is pretty, "The sine of 2a times the sine of b minus c times x plus the sine of 2b times the sine of c minus a times y plus the sine of 2c plus the sine of a minus b times x equals 0... yeah, that's pretty!"

Can you comprehend what it is? The Zoe main subreddit had this post once and someone punched in the equation. We were amazed since it was "pretty". No child can think of that, it is something beyond those petty boundaries.

The EcdysiastApr 16, 20191 votes

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I totally agree, the most important part is what the characters in the canon lore thinks of her, rather than us. Ezreal believes Zoe is just acting like a child. Zoe thinks she is in competition with Lux. (That same age as Lux part makes it confusing as well.) but on the other spectrum, Aatrox is scared as shit when he just SEES her. He knows what is going to happen and what she can do.

I believe its the lack of interactions with "humans" that make Zoe childish from our standpoint because of manners. But she on the other hand thinks that we "lack" a lot of stuff she has, like freedom of responsibility/expression, near-infinite experience and immortality, powerful magic...Which comes to the question, who is the "child" now then?

Btw Zoe thinks this is pretty, "The sine of 2a times the sine of b minus c times x plus the sine of 2b times the sine of c minus a times y plus the sine of 2c plus the sine of a minus b times x equals 0... yeah, that's pretty!"

Can you comprehend what it is? The Zoe main subreddit had this post once and someone punched in the equation. We were amazed since it was "pretty". No child can think of that, it is something beyond those petty boundaries.

Aatrox is more angry than scared.

And yeah, what you've said is exactly what OP is missing. She didn't interact with people all that time, so she's socially immature.

The formula she says is probably something that ends up as a picture when you graph it, so it's not incomprehensible. But the point still stands that looking like a child doesn't make a character a child, any more than putting on a fake beard and glasses makes you an old man.

Craft ZeppelinApr 16, 20191 votes

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Aatrox is more angry than scared.

And yeah, what you've said is exactly what OP is missing. She didn't interact with people all that time, so she's socially immature.

The formula she says is probably something that ends up as a picture when you graph it, so it's not incomprehensible. But the point still stands that looking like a child doesn't make a character a child, any more than putting on a fake beard and glasses makes you an old man.

Yeah, and also there is the fact that around ancient Egypt and Rome(one of the greatest dynasties that treated women well compared to other civilizations) Boys were to be married at 15, Girls were 12. It is silly to discuss this when the REAL world was this and to discuss MODERN moralities in damn FICTION. Especially when we have Shurima/Noxus that are modeled out of them.

(If you people think you can build a expansive empire and huge-ass army made out of a consent age of 18. You are mad unless they make like 4 children per family.)

In fact, modern European standards of the age to marry has become so high. That there are statistics that birth rate is at the lowest of mankind history where European morals thrive. But that is another story to debate about extinction and population manipulation.

AnotherPurple379Apr 16, 20191 votes

Yeah, and also there is the fact that around ancient Egypt and Rome(one of the greatest dynasties that treated women well compared to other civilizations) Boys were to be married at 15, Girls were 12. It is silly to discuss this when the REAL world was this and to discuss MODERN moralities in damn FICTION. Especially when we have Shurima/Noxus that are modeled out of them.

(If you people think you can build a expansive empire and huge-ass army made out of a consent age of 18. You are mad unless they make like 4 children per family.)

In fact, modern European standards of the age to marry has become so high. That there are statistics that birth rate is at the lowest of mankind history where European morals thrive. But that is another story to debate about extinction and population manipulation.

Well, you brought child marriage into this now! So.

Look: just because it happened in the past doesn't automatically make it correct. Are you seriously trying to say that just because we had girls marrying at 12 means that it's okay now? In same vein, does that mean that the medieval Europens were right to nick veins and put leeches on people to take the sickness out of them, even though it killed them just as well?

If you seriously think that 12 is a good age for girls to be married, you need to check Google. Their bodies aren't even fully developed at 12 years old (some girls might have not have hit puberty at this time), and the mortality rate in pregnancy and childbirth among girls less than 18 years old is PRETTY DANG HIGH and it's PRETTY DANG RISKY FOR THEM TO DO SO IN THE FIRST PLACE. But it's okay to take an ancient civilization's word on it over our own modern science that proves otherwise, apparently? Okay then.

We can debate morality in fiction because fiction affects reality? I think it's valid to point out if something in fiction normalizes something harmful. It's shit like this that makes me thinks so, since you think having children get married and start families is a good thing for population despite the fact that they're literal children.

Craft ZeppelinApr 16, 20192 votes

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Well, you brought child marriage into this now! So.

Look: just because it happened in the past doesn't automatically make it correct. Are you seriously trying to say that just because we had girls marrying at 12 means that it's okay now? In same vein, does that mean that the medieval Europens were right to nick veins and put leeches on people to take the sickness out of them, even though it killed them just as well?

If you seriously think that 12 is a good age for girls to be married, you need to check Google. Their bodies aren't even fully developed at 12 years old (some girls might have not have hit puberty at this time), and the mortality rate in pregnancy and childbirth among girls less than 18 years old is PRETTY DANG HIGH and it's PRETTY DANG RISKY FOR THEM TO DO SO IN THE FIRST PLACE. But it's okay to take an ancient civilization's word on it over our own modern science that proves otherwise, apparently? Okay then.

We can debate morality in fiction because fiction affects reality? I think it's valid to point out if something in fiction normalizes something harmful. It's shit like this that makes me thinks so, since you think having children get married and start families is a good thing for population despite the fact that they're literal children.

I'm saying. It is ridiculous to compare real life morals to a total fiction. Don't you get it? Also if you think at those days, they start making children the instant after they are married, that is another mistake you are making. Of course they will take years after doing that to settle down socially and start working for the family. Say around 2-3 years. I think since because of mortality rates of ancient times it is the best they can do. It may not be "good" but can you blame them for that?

See? you overlooked even a obvious factor since you shoehorned it in your own moral standards without the context. Fiction can be bent where it is chosen, it is futile to debate about it.

All that matters is Zoe is a champion with a interesting kit/lore for her mains.

AnotherPurple379Apr 17, 20191 votes

I said that fiction affects reality. That's why people take concern with questionable morals being promoted in video game stories. Plus, we create and view these video game stories from our own moral systems. It's kind of impossible not to compare them or care about it. That fiction and reality are completely separate entities that have no impact on each other is plain false.

By your scenario, those children in a relationship are still teenagers when they have children. They may be older, but that's still not any better. They aren't adults. And adults generally have a better chance at delivering heathy children and surviving. So it's still not the ideal situation.

And yes, situations like can be hard, but now? We know it's wrong, and we can now portray these kinds of situations with nuance and responsibility, if we ever decide to. We can sympathize with those in situations like that without it being endorsement.

Some couples do have children very close after getting married. Some don't, some do. I did not miss an "obvious factor."

From your wording, you made it seem like child marriage was okay, and I came in to say that wasn't the case. Yes, there's historical context. But I think we can all agree it's still wrong.

I like the lore. But I also like being morally responsible at the same time, that's all. If it's not your thing, fine. I'll leave you alone. I just responded to you because this is a place where we were originally talking about being morally responsible in the lore.

Craft ZeppelinApr 17, 20193 votes

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I said that fiction affects reality. That's why people take concern with questionable morals being promoted in video game stories. Plus, we create and view these video game stories from our own moral systems. It's kind of impossible not to compare them or care about it. That fiction and reality are completely separate entities that have no impact on each other is plain false.

By your scenario, those children in a relationship are still teenagers when they have children. They may be older, but that's still not any better. They aren't adults. And adults generally have a better chance at delivering heathy children and surviving. So it's still not the ideal situation.

And yes, situations like can be hard, but now? We know it's wrong, and we can now portray these kinds of situations with nuance and responsibility, if we ever decide to. We can sympathize with those in situations like that without it being endorsement.

Some couples do have children very close after getting married. Some don't, some do. I did not miss an "obvious factor."

From your wording, you made it seem like child marriage was okay, and I came in to say that wasn't the case. Yes, there's historical context. But I think we can all agree it's still wrong.

I like the lore. But I also like being morally responsible at the same time, that's all. If it's not your thing, fine. I'll leave you alone. I just responded to you because this is a place where we were originally talking about being morally responsible in the lore.

The affect of violent videogames to IRL has been proven false over a number of times since the introduction of gaming.
I'm saying, it is wrong to shoehorn modern standards to anything else since there is the context and the hardships to come to this modern standard. You seem to complain to ME who does not live in damn ancient Egypt about this as if i can solve it and I am the problem. Like wtf do you want man? An infinity gauntlet?

Zero ShingetsuApr 15, 201916 votes

I think I just learned things about Zoe's fanbase I didn't ever need to know.

If we're getting into technicalities, she was there for "millennia", so technically she's however many thousands of years old. In Japan, we generally write these characters as having the wisdom of those gained years, regardless of their appearance. But Riot seems to have favored the physiology = mental capacity angle. Which is logical, since certain elements of the brain don't fully develop until around 30.

So if I were calling it (and I can't believe it's something that even has to be called...), I'd agree with OP here. Riot clearly intended for Zoe to be a "young" character, for all intents and purposes. Why in a game with Ahri anyone even considers looking at Zoe is beyond me, but since it has to be said, I'll throw my voice in to: This is not the waifu you're looking for.

YDy2ZkRq02Apr 15, 20192 votes

In this case it isnt only because she didnt physically age. In her travel though the cosmos Zoe was being guided by an Aspect who didnt give a fuck if Zoe learnt what we as humans consider essential(morals, empathy etc) she was chosen because of her childish attitude, the Aspect wanted her to be a child. A child who dont care about essential hyumans concepts and has seen mass genocides that made the matter boring on her eyes, but still a child.

Most characthers who are centuries of years old and get a lot of knowledge but still look young tends to be educated as humans(or something similiar) and not ahve the sole purporse of acting like a child would act. So this is an extremly differing factor from Zoe to this type of characther. For comparison, think in Peter Pan. (also, most of what I said about Zoe being chosen because she was a child was reinforced here)

RikirieApr 16, 20194 votes

Wait so we're kinkshaming people for enjoying loli's but bestiality gets a pass? Weird flex, but okay.

UomoAfideApr 15, 201914 votes

If she acts like a kid, has the mind of a kid and the body of a kid... she's probably a kid

Vulkus IApr 15, 201913 votes

Why the fuck would you want that thing as your waifu when Gangplank exists?

KelgApr 15, 20198 votes

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Why the fuck would you want that thing as your waifu when exists?

Why have Gangplank as your Waifu, when you can become Urgot 's Waifu?

MankeyMadnessApr 15, 20196 votes

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Why the fuck would you want that thing as your waifu when exists?

Don't you have skins to ask for on the C&C boards Illaoi?

Packun FlowerApr 15, 201913 votes

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I've just seen a lot of posts like "actually Zoe is "legal" " and it always bugged me

No, you really haven't. I frequent the forums every day and I almost never see this topic be brought up anymore. It was a hot topic when Zoe first came out but now no one really cares. You only brought this up to bitch and whine about something.

SchoenbergApr 15, 20196 votes

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No, you really haven't. I frequent the forums every day and I almost never see this topic be brought up anymore. It was a hot topic when Zoe first came out but now no one really cares. You only brought this up to bitch and whine about something.

this but the post has downvotes.... so those people are still around.

RodsquadApr 15, 201911 votes

Actually , I believe the same can be said for Lulu as well! Her lore is she was also a child who went to a timeless realm for a hundred years when it was only a short time for her yes?

GreenLoreApr 15, 20195 votes

This logic works for Lulu, because Lulu didn't experience such a long time(though Lulus lore hasn't been updated since the retcon, so there'll be likely changes in the future).

However in Zoes case its the opposite, she experienced all those years, so mentally she is older than any regular human, though she is physically still a child/teenager(given her lore I'd say she was 12 when she became an aspect and is now physically 13).

SpecterVonBarenApr 15, 20198 votes

She's a kid that's thousands of years old. The key isn't age (What even IS a year in Runeterra?), it's maturity, and Zoe is clearly not mature.

mrmeddymanApr 15, 20196 votes

The two sides of this is

A.) The point everyone takes in consideration: Zoe has existed for thousands of years so chronologically she isn't underaged.

B.) The one nobody does.... Zoe isn't just Zoe anymore. Becoming an Aspect means becoming more than human. It means becoming something else entirely

Jerry SeinfeIdApr 15, 20195 votes

y'all are way too concerned about wether or not you can fuck a fictional character.

SchoenbergApr 15, 20195 votes

This thread has 15 upvotes...

But 5 downvotes.

We live in some pretty damn scary times if 25% of folks are downvoting this

HungryAngry2SPPApr 15, 20191 votes

There is a reason you didn't consider why people may downvote this: This post is useless and is stating already know facts. The only people saying Zoe is legal are trolls and should not have been given this attention.

SchoenbergApr 15, 20194 votes

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There is a reason you didn't consider why people may downvote this: This post is useless and is stating already know facts. The only people saying Zoe is legal are trolls and should not have been given this attention.

Fair point. I disagree. This post is not useless. Those folks are probably experiencing some form of confirmation bias. I could be wrong but highly doubt it. There are people who are being serious. Just look around the thread. Look at the ones joking about it and playing it off as if it were nothing.

Everyday LegendsApr 15, 20195 votes

The important thing to keep in mind is that "a thousand years old" does not equate to "being an adult," and you need to be an adult to consent. Being an adult is not truly a concept that can be defined by age. We just do so for convenience. It's the difference between being an "adult" (which you physically develop into) and being a "grown-up" (which you transition into as you leave behind childhood). Honestly, how many 18-year-olds can claim to have fully-developed and become an adult? Not many. (In fact, it's at about age 25 that a person has truly finished growing. It's all downhill from there.) How many 18-year-olds can claim they're ready to take on the responsibilities and expectations of the grown-up world? There are people in their 30s who would have a difficult time making that claim. But age is still relevant, of course. You can be the most mature, responsible, self-reliant adolescent there is, but you would still not be an adult, because you still have growing to do, both physically and as a person.

Where does that put Zoe? She's not an adult, as she hasn't developed into one. Nor is she a grown-up, because she hasn't transitioned to one, and chooses not to. "Nobody has to grow up if they don't want to. Or maybe they do. I don't, though."

So there you go.

StupaflyApr 15, 20191 votes

okay well an adult is a person who is fully grown or developed.

Is Zoe fully grown? I actually cant say yes or no to that question, i have no clue if an aspect ages.

On top of that... is she even human anymore?

AnotherPurple379Apr 15, 20192 votes

No, Zoe is not fully grown. She's still a young child, and she has the mindset of a young child, not an adult.

I don't think it matters if she's human or not. But if you really want to go into it, yes, technically she's still human. She just has magical powers now. Doesn't change the fact that she's still a child, and has the maturity of one.

ThefrostyvikingApr 15, 20194 votes

Sorry but the story goes that while she didnt age physically she did experience at least 1000 years worth of life somewhere before going back home.

So her body, hormones and brain arent developed being stuck in a young state, but there is no guessing what actually goes inside her head.

She doesnt have much on it in her voicelines but some like this one :

"I hope this world survives... I like it!"

Or the one about something being fine and things like realities, dimensions and whatnot breaking are common and nothing to worry about.

She isnt quite so entirely innocent as one would think at first.

Then going to mythological allusions, Zoe is basically part of a pantheon of gods that is loosely inspired by the greek gods among others, a god pretending to be a normal child isnt anything strange at all by those standards.......rather that is among the most harmless stuff you´d hear about the greek gods.

Aside from the poetry, gardening and wine brewing......really Greek mythology gets really dark and depraved at some parts.

Then there is the thing about the aspect possessing Zoe being a mass murderer who likes to torture its enemies by imprisoning their souls in objects for thousands of years in pain and isolation? Yeah i dont buy it for a second when someone tires preaching Zoe being innocent with a director like that behind the curtain.

NotaRobot1006Apr 15, 20191 votes

Then there is the thing about the aspect possessing Zoe being a mass murderer who likes to torture its enemies by imprisoning their souls in objects for thousands of years in pain and isolation? Yeah i dont buy it for a second when someone tires preaching Zoe being innocent with a director like that behind the curtain.

You could pin that part on her Aspect, though. Or the former host. All Zoe did was murder a handful of dudes in a tower and show two kids a magic nuke. Not exactly virtuous or responsible behavior, but way less sadistic than what Myisha pulled.

Personally I say blame the Aspect for being such a sadistic jerk and then using a child host as a meatshield.

ThefrostyvikingApr 15, 20194 votes

True perhaps the entire darkin episode was largely caused by the former host having a massive grudge and just employing the gifts of her aspect towards that end.

But as you mentioned she (Zoe) has committed murder with a smile, and basically left a bunch of kids to die and who even knows what else.

1000 years of this kinda going? She has probably killed more than Swain and Mordekaiser together, especially if she was serious about a world or a reality at some point being destroyed as a result of something she did.

Ignorance and lack of understanding or even care doesnt make her less scary her, rather it makes her seem quite like a volatile bomb that can go off anywhere and at any time, consequences be damned.

I´d be more at ease meeting Swain,Zed or even Kayn while walking down the streets compared to her, these guys dont kill or wreck things randomly, and thats despite at least 2 of them being possessed by quite the evil things and the third might be as well.

NotaRobot1006Apr 15, 20194 votes

Yeah, Zoe's lack of outright malice makes her a special flavor of terrifying. I think the moral of this story is "don't give phenomenal cosmic power to children."

The problem is that assumes the Aspect of Twilight cares about morality, which is a bit of a stretch.

RustypugApr 15, 20194 votes

Annie Zoe these are my children plz dont lewd them

SettDownShutUpApr 15, 20194 votes

Hate to say it but it sounds like your trying to convince yourself...

Nameless DrifterApr 15, 20193 votes

You are reading this in the perspective of others.

In the perspective and own definition of time and age of the Lunari teachers, when they see Zoe, they look at her like a child, considering her playfulness and immaturity which is once again proven by the innocent troubles she would plague the teachers with her personality. Thus in their eyes she resemble a child in terms of personality, not physically.

About her physical appearance theres only a resemble of a young girl which is a period of time and not one only limited to pre-18.

Returning home after a millennia, this proves that Zoe is actually enormously older now, even though her physical appearance barely changed due to her traits/powers by the Targon effects.

All of these are facts and background proven. You can consider her a child or not depending on YOUR perspective and definition of how a child is. However if you look at age, compared to mortal beings, she is not a child at all. We dont really know how long does a being affected by the power of Targon lives, so we can't really say for sure if she is a child in those terms or not either.

Gay Rights YuumiApr 15, 20193 votes

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You are reading this in the perspective of others.

In the perspective and own definition of time and age of the Lunari teachers, when they see Zoe, they look at her like a child, considering her playfulness and immaturity which is once again proven by the innocent troubles she would plague the teachers with her personality. Thus in their eyes she resemble a child in terms of personality, not physically.

About her physical appearance theres only a resemble of a young girl which is a period of time and not one only limited to pre-18.

Returning home after a millennia, this proves that Zoe is actually enormously older now, even though her physical appearance barely changed due to her traits/powers by the Targon effects.

All of these are facts and background proven. You can consider her a child or not depending on YOUR perspective and definition of how a child is. However if you look at age, compared to mortal beings, she is not a child at all. We dont really know how long does a being affected by the power of Targon lives, so we can't really say for sure if she is a child in those terms or not either.

That's nice but lore still calls her a child and says she only aged one year