Where are my science fiction and science people at? Lets talk about Aurelion Sol

Necrolegion89·3/18/2016, 8:36:51 PM·6 votes·5,201 views

I cannot claim to be an expert in astronomy or physics, although my major is related to physics.

So I've got some gripes about the new champion, Aurelion Sol.

Aurelion Sol claims to have created the stars, all of the stars in Runeterra's universe and therefore all galaxies and life! This seems incredibly unbelievable. On top of that he has the most asshole VO of any champion I can think of! Then there is the fact that he can visit Runeterra and be enslaved by simple magic.

His Powers: If he truly created the stars and galaxies, then this means that there was never a force of gravity or electromagnetism needed to make these processes happen. Therefore, life and planets like Runeterra should be impossible to form or come into existence. You see, stars do not need another force, outside of the 4 fundamental forces, to be created. They do not need Aurelion Sol to make them as they would just have naturally formed over time. This makes me question Aurelion Sol's claims to being a "star forger".

If he really was a star forger, then he should have incredible amounts of energy stored within him to bring together all of the hydrogen or whatever fuel stars in League's universe need to start fusion, and ignite! Someone with that amount of power should be as big as the observable universe and not be able to visit a planet like Runeterra without somehow compressing all his energy and size down to that of a school bus. If he did, then he must be emitting tremendous amounts of radiation (assuming he doesn't turn into a singularity from this) and his visit to Targon should have been the end of Targon as the mountain should have melted, literally melted or evaporated away, from his mere presence yet it didn't.

I know black holes have not been confirmed in League's universe, but if they were then they should be Aurelion Sol's mistake. Based on how he talks about stars and his fascination from making them, black holes should terrify him. He is a cosmic entity who can create stars, has probably eternal life, and is perhaps wise enough to know not to make such mistakes, but naturally these things should occur due to the irregularity of hydrogen distribution throughout the universe, unless League's universe has symmetrical distributions of hydrogen gas and be symmetrically distributed to prevent black holes from forming.

Weakness to Runeterra Magic: A cosmic entity like Aurelion Sol who "forged" the stars should have nearly unlimited reserves of magic, enough to overcome any silly limited magic that would enslave him. Despite this he was easily enslaved by Targon's primitive magic. This is just laughable, he should be able to completely destroy the crown given to him and destroy those who tried to imprison him yet he doesn't/cannot.

Arrogant Voice and Attitude: This is pretty hard to argue against, but someone who has lived for billions of years should surely have moved past this amount of arrogance, past any Runeterran intellect and wisdom, and not act so childish or like a douchebag. His language or way of thinking should surpass anyone's and therefore might not be needed to express trivial things like taunts or opinions to such primitive creatures as the ones in Runeterra. YET HE DOES!!!!!! He pokes fun at lots of champions and creatures despite being billions of years older and wiser than they are. Its like you name calling an infant or an insect when you are grown up hoping for them to understand your words and meanings and feel bad about themselves. This seems childish in my opinion and unworthy of someone who created the stars.

My feedback: Hire some science fiction writers, look at Bioware, I hear they keep losing members, so hire one of them to write your champion lores and backgrounds as well as ideas of how science fiction champions should work. Aurelion Sol should have been made into a cosmic voyager who orbits around the Sun and intersects Runeterra's orbit every once in a while each time stopping by to observe the creatures and their advancements. Someone who was placed/tasked to defend Runeterra's solar system from intergalactic forces such as the void, someone who draws his power from stars and not the other way around. I mean just look at our sun, it pumps out so much energy every second, enough to destroy our planet several times over without hesitation. At least then Aurelion Sol would seem believable and not as a joke. Or is his lore an April Fool's joke?

19 Comments

GreenLore3/18/2016, 11:47:30 PM5 votes

While you are obviously right that scientifically speaking a star forging dragon isn't needed to create stars(as I really doubt that the real world has one),I'd say one could argue that these characteristics of the 4 fundamental forces only exist thanks to Aurelion Sol(he does say that his stars will fall apart without him),also it is really hard to question magic in a fantasy setting,especially if it doesn't follow any established rules.

I mean why can't he be small?You say he needs lots of magic to create stars,but what does that have to do with his size?Its not like he has a physical magic fuel tank. Similar there is no reason to believe that just because he has vast amounts of magic would make him immune to lesser magic. Its like saying that if your car has enough fuel it'll be able to fly. He simply can't do everything with his magic,because even if he has a greater understanding of it,he is limited in his own abilities as well.

As for his Attitude: Well you argue that he feels too humanlike and you'd expect him to be beyond human understanding,but in the end we as humans can't imagine how a being like him would act like. I mean you say it doesn't make sense that he is so cocky if he is so old,but that in itself is based on the human psyche,it would apply to him if he was a human in that kind of position. However he is a completely different species from everything else and his age is incomprehensible to us humans,so it is really impossible for humans to predict what kind of "person" such a being would be.

Last but not least: I think your suggestion at the end is kinda lame,considering it pretty much removes all conflict from his lore and turns him into Bard 2.0(higher being that watches over the world).

the crystal gems3/18/2016, 10:53:02 PM4 votes

Weakness to Runeterra Magic: A cosmic entity like Aurelion Sol who "forged" the stars should have nearly unlimited reserves of magic, enough to overcome any silly limited magic that would enslave him. Despite this he was easily enslaved by Targon's primitive magic. This is just laughable, he should be able to completely destroy the crown given to him and destroy those who tried to imprison him yet he doesn't/cannot.

This is what a Rioter had to say about the actual Targonians In the Aurelion Sol Q&A:

The people of Mount Targon -- like the Rakkor, for instance -- do not travel to space in starships or anything. They are human and bound to this world in the same manner as other factions.

The Aspects, however, are more like spiritual entities that exist out of time, potentially in other planes of existence. They multiple “possess” hosts on different worlds and use them as their avatars. They don’t have spaceships, so swords and spears (and firearms) are still the de-facto weaponry on each world.

Meaning it isn't "primitive" Magic that is controlling him.

It's actually powerful Celestial/Spiritual entities that have a hold on him, It just so happens Runeterra is where it all went down.

Sharjo3/18/2016, 8:39:20 PM4 votes

I'ma solve this with one image.

http://i.imgur.com/TOGbmSL.jpg

Legend of Ori3/19/2016, 2:07:39 AM2 votes

this was painful to read, especially the part concerning hydrogen and the size of his body.

TBakes3/19/2016, 11:10:45 PM2 votes

I feel like Aurelion Sol's presence in Runeterra is much more nuanced than your view. He seems to possess magical powers capable of manipulating creating matter in space, which very well may circumvent needing the fundamental forces. It does not necessarily dictate his size within a physical plane. It also does not necessarily make him immune to other forms of magic. Maybe he would be resistant to someone like Veigar, but other matter that was not created by him (such as gems) may possess some sort of power over him. The example that comes to mind is Superman's weakness to kryptonite. That might not be a cut-and-dry comparison, but hopefully you get the idea.

As for the question of is he the only star-forging dragon, FauxSchizzle basically said he is most likely the only one. However, I took the comment to mean there may be other entities that are not dragons that are capable of creating stars. There are also other celestial beings. Maybe some create gravity. Maybe some create planets. Maybe some destroy these things. Who knows?

I do agree, though, that his arrogance seems a bit misplaced. I like that he is regal and does not really seem to get down-right angry. But I would not expect a being of his scope to look down on others. But, as has already been mentioned, who knows what a star-forging dragon would be like. Looking at him from a human perspective, one would expect him to be very humble and peaceful since he has spent so long in space viewing many forms of life and death.

Overall, I don't have a problem with his character or his story so far. I am very anxious to see where Taric fits into all of this. I have been dying to see his rework! Taric

Ebonmaw Dragon3/18/2016, 8:49:14 PM1 votes

{quoted}

Aurelion Sol claims to have created the stars, all of the stars in Runeterra's universe and therefore all galaxies and life!

Actually, not.

He created some stars... not ALL of them. It was said in the QA, Lore of Aurelion and his VO that the Celestial Dragons are a race, which means that there are more Celestial Dragons like Aurelion creating stars aside from him. Sure that they are super rare beings that travel across the infinite universe, but there are more Celestial Dragons creating stars.

333lom3/19/2016, 1:25:10 PM1 votes

Greetings! I felt summoned, as a student of physics! (down with my arrogance)/I didn't mean to... eh, onto the theme!

Great points you have there. Looking at the fundamental forces: if they did not exist, then how do they exist now, on Runeterra? If Aurelion was the only matter to exist in the primordial universe, from which everything else was created, then what kept him from turning into a super-massive black hole? I laughed when I read your sentence where he would have to be bigger than the observable universe, that's true!

FauxSchizzle (NA) - a day ago

We toyed with the idea very early on that Aurelion Sol had "sisters" out in the cosmos, with their own unique talents. Aurelion's was stars whereas "gravity" or "dark matter" would be another's. This idea became what's known as an "artifact" during the development process, in which it means it fell away from being part of the champ's story. Regardless, there is only one star-forging dragon. There are other celestial entities, but whether or not they are dragons has yet to be seen. Most likely, though, not.

Stars, separated from gravity?... or dark matter, for that matter.. it would be better for everything to just be called "magic" than attempting to tie scientific terms in it in such a wrong way. I'm just giving honest feedback on the lore, without wanting to make it look bad. But there really needs to be more strong science-fiction here, as you mentioned. Everything else was said in your post, I leave it an upvote.

FloRaider424/3/2016, 9:43:33 AM1 votes

Clarke's Third Law, anyone ?

Just because you can create stars doesn't really make you godlike (scientist are currently attempting to create artificial suns as energy source, but that doesn't make them gods).

Necrolegion894/3/2016, 9:13:55 AM1 votes

I still think it's silly how a "star forget" got enchanted by any magic. If he truly is a star forger, meaning he can practically create any element in LoL's universe, then why doesn't he just melt, rust, destroy the crown?!

It is so simple! It does not matter who forged the crown as SHOULD be able to just turn up the temperature to melt the freaking thing off!!!! Even magic has to follow some kind of natural law and these laws can break or bend with certain amounts of energy. Look at space, it can be warped by energy, magnetism(in matter) can be either disabled or enabled through temperature too!

It just feels so silly for such a powerful being to be enslaved so easily. Shoot, if he really despises Targon, then why doesn't he just glass Runeterra or create a singularity in its core and watch it implode?

Then there is this conundrum that Riot writers and champion design teams overlooked! Okay, he created the cosmos or at least "all of the stars", which he mentions through his VO, stating that they are marvelled by other worlds. So then if he has access to this possibly endless network of planets with possibly other intelligent life, them surely one of these civilizations should be able to help him???? I mean, after all, the Universe is nearly infinite, with high plausibility of other intelligent life out there, who could possibly be more advanced than we are, likewise with Runeterra. I can almost bet that if Aurelion Sol allowed other more intelligent civilizations to analyze and help him with the curse, they could probably disable the magic. Who's to say there isn't a species out there more powerful than the Targonians or Celestial?

Gear Kitty3/18/2016, 8:54:32 PM1 votes

{quoted} his lore an April Fool's joke

FTFY