Riot has a problem with continuity

HalfTangible·9/11/2019, 5:28:11 PM·38 votes·21,008 views

Even ignoring how many VGUs are basically brand new characters... Or the Institute of War getting deleted from existence...

Shyvana's dragon papa got retconned out of existence for no clear reason and I am still annoyed about that.

The Darkin went - within the span of a few months - from an alien force invading Runeterra to corrupted Ascended trapped within their weapons. Both of these stories were presented after the Institute of War retcon. This new explanation also makes the Rune Wars hard to pin down and raises questions about what Nasus was doing, or why nobody remembers the darkin but everyone remembers the Ascended.

Most recently... this one is actually very minor, but it bears bringing up, I think: Lux gets her staff/wand in the new Lux comic, but she also has it in the short story "For Demacia". The story must take place before the comic, as it's before she's made a refugee; so... how is that?


These are only a few examples, but I'm sure I'm missing more.

Look, I don't want to sound like I hate League's lore. Cuz I don't. It's the main thing that I still come to these forums for. It's good that most VGUs these days are focused on advancing stories rather than changing them. And I'm ecstatic that Riot has been moving the story forward in ways we haven't seen since the Harrowing.

But we still get retcons that end up just deleting entire swathes of the lore. If the story can just change to such an extent that entire swathes of the story are no longer possible or entirely change a character at a fundamental level, why should I care?

52 Comments

GenoXx9/11/2019, 5:54:40 PM26 votes

I love the lore of league to death. But Riot seriously makes it harder for me to stay committed. It's almost as if they just spring up new plots for no reason sometimes and just force them into the canon.

ZT Xperimentor9/11/2019, 6:03:34 PM18 votes

You summed up why I don't care about their lore anymore, they keep retconning older stuff to make new stuff look better; rewriting the universe to make it appear more popular when it was already good before, and end up just swapping out one fanbase for another.

Charmy Bird9/11/2019, 8:20:24 PM10 votes

im still salty how my lovely darkins went from chad aliens to virgin shurimans.

itd be perfect if darkins are intergallactic lovecraftian beings whom original form ideology intentions etc. humans cannot even comprehend and the form they see is limited due to the fact they possessed human bodies.but now lets make them evil ascended and waste a rl good opportunity to expand the universe.darkins went from an actual badass threat to sth far weaker.

LordRedStone Nr19/11/2019, 5:38:07 PM9 votes

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Most recently... this one is actually very minor, but it bears bringing up, I think: Lux gets her staff/wand in the new Lux comic, but she also has it in the short story "For Demacia". The story must take place before the comic, as it's before she's made a refugee; so... how is that?

You can easily turn this argument around: It must be after the comic, because she has her wand. Of course, you could say that she should be a refugee then, but I think it's not as bad as people say. She could return to Demacia off-screen or in the Novella.

AbiwonKenabi9/13/2019, 12:39:22 AM5 votes

The Shyvana situation was a dumb miscommunication where Riot somehow didn't realize the lore presented to us on their site was different from the "internal" Shyvana lore. At the end of the day, it was probably an honest mistake, but now that they KNOW the mistake, I'm hoping they make an effort to take this mistake into account (and how players are attached to a different story than the one they newly presented us).

The Darkin I like being FROM Runeterra. Making them aliens or any sort of other-wordly beings was stepping on the toes of the Void, who make for (imo) a better other-wordly threat, and the Darkin were overall made more interesting by it. As usual, retcons come with growing pains, but overall I think its good. Nasus needs a bit more explanation, but he was addressed in several stories (the one where the Darkin gather and the one where Taliyah sees the capital has people in it again), and from his mentions/appearances, we can infer he basically thought he was a failure and fell into a state of depression. He basically went Yoda on us, into exile and didn't involve himself until something changed his mind (probably the return of Azir). I don't remember Nasus's lore super well, but iirc, he (at least in old lore) used to have limited future vision (again, kind of like Yoda) so maybe his self-reintroduction to the world stems from that too. More info on Nasus specifically would be nice.

The Lux comic I assumed she just came back...I haven't read "For Demacia" in a while, but this seems like a perfectly logical explanation: she remained in Demacia so she could help more mages get to safety. The only thing that doesn't add up is Garen's acceptance of Lux's magic: in For Demacia, he is having a lot of trouble processing it still, even to the point where he won't admit it. But I think this could be slightly tweaked to fit the canon still. Simply make Garen have trouble accepting it rather than being in denial. It still makes sense to the stubbornness of his character that despite his acknowledgment of trusting Lux, he doesn't trust her magic yet. He was raised in an extremely anti magic environment, so I don't think the events of the comic were enough, and seeing him struggle with it more in some fashion makes sense. You're right that For Demacia doesn't work perfectly anymore, however. The comic kind of still left gaps and while I enjoyed it, felt more like setup than anything else.

I agree that retcons are annoying, but what's more annoying is when things are made clear so they _feel _ like retcons, like the "For Demacia" situation. It often does feel like they change a character on a whim just because someone came up with a good idea. I'm all for good ideas, but that doesn't mean you just change everything in service of the idea. There needs to be some consistency. Its like the whole Volibear divide, which was literally caused by one story. Sure it was one of League's best short stories, but its NOT the fantasy most Volibear fans want. So now we have this divide of people who want wise armor bear and people who want terrifying eldritch bear. It was a great idea, but it wasn't what Volibear needed. He needed more consistent lore.

And that's just one example. There are way more when you start looking at Champ VGUs. To be fair, a few of the recent one's have been great, and chose to build on the lore instead of just coming up with the next big idea. Pantheon, Akali, Irelia and Mordekaiser are examples where I thought they did a really good job on lore-wise, they kept what we loved about the characters, made them fit better in the world and expanded upon them. Also, VOs are way better, to the point where serviceable yet old VOs sound like a joke.

Let's hope VGUs continue this pattern, because while I don't agree with your examples, I agree that there needs to be way more consistency in the lore. I am tired of fearing the next big update because who knows if my favorite thing will be retconned OR done perfectly? Here's hoping for more of the latter.

Moonš9/11/2019, 10:17:44 PM4 votes

I mean, retcon's are bound to happen when they are literally doing so much work to go back update and change almost everyone's lore to fit what they want to do.

Dorans Pants9/13/2019, 3:10:24 AM3 votes

Exactly the reason I no longer bother with league´s lore. As soon as I am interested in something it gets thrown out the window. And the way they only work on the things they like regardless of necessity and erase older work without a care in the world just annoys me to no end.

mrmeddyman9/11/2019, 11:48:58 PM3 votes

I'm with you for the most part.... except on the Institute of War - or as I like to call it the Institute of Contrived Plot Device. Thank god that's gone

King Braum9/12/2019, 12:15:16 AM3 votes

Can we for a moment address how Ionia is still called "The first lands" without explanation

It's not the place where humans originated because that's Targon It's not linked to the first form of magic which is from the Blessed Isles and Ixtal It's not even the closest link we have to the spirit realm as that's Bandal City. The only thing I can remotely think off for Ionia that makes it unique is that it has a living ecosystem but that doesn't really make it "the first lands" just "the living lands"

Its just "the first lands" because.

FlameHalbrdOkido9/12/2019, 5:26:40 PM3 votes

I think For Demacia can take place after the Sylas Arc, in fact i think it HAS to take place after the Sylas arc bc we still haven't been introduced to the Illuminators yet AND in the Sylas Arc she still hadn't learned to use her magic yet like she had In For Demacia

FSRER9/12/2019, 11:29:44 AM2 votes

Shyvana? Sona? Skarner? Jax? Fiora? Who are all these characters (and many, many more)? Do they bring us money? Do they sell skins? Is their playrate high enough? No? Then forget about them! -Riot 2019

I wish this was a meme and not the truth. Lux is a champion who sells well, has high pickrates and winrates and is played very much which means that there are many players that would willingly spend money on a new skin of her or to pay money to hear a story about her. Even this comic is centered around Lux more than it is on Sylas (not to mention Gare or J4 here). They will not willingly update a old champion's lore/story until they rework them and even then, the possibility of half done lore still remains based on how many people are hyped up for their rework. That is Riot so, except if the chinese playerbase demands it, no old champion will get new lore

Terozu9/11/2019, 5:58:06 PM2 votes

They could've given her the baton from her Marshal aunt, since Marshals traditionally carry batons. But that was to easy I guess?

Aatrox Airlines9/12/2019, 10:11:25 AM2 votes

You forgot about the plothole about blood magic

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO9/12/2019, 12:17:57 PM1 votes

I really don’t see be problems with any of these, but if these things really get in the way of your enjoyment then I can get it.

averyug89/12/2019, 3:34:45 PM1 votes

lol who gives a fuck?

GreenLore9/11/2019, 10:31:35 PM1 votes

Most recently... this one is actually very minor, but it bears bringing up, I think: Lux gets her staff/wand in the new Lux comic, but she also has it in the short story "For Demacia". The story must take place before the comic, as it's before she's made a refugee; so... how is that?

Eh that always felt a bit odd, since her staff is a dead giveaway that she is a mage. That being said, we don't know how the story ends, if it ends with Lux joining the illuminators, while mages are still shunned, then that story can still be placed after the mage rebellion.

Though that outcome seems unlikely of course.