My problem with Vastayas

Zombie Slayer·1/7/2020, 5:36:06 PM·40 votes·19,609 views

Ok so I've been thinking about this alot and with the inclusion of Sett a half breed Vastaya it just tipped me over the edge of what I can stand with and whats just plain stupid in the designs.

So if you aren't aware Vastaya are a race originating from humans and the Vastayashai'rei mixing so they contain human characteristics while being humanoid. Great concept since its a pretty popular character type especially in anime hence why they'd originate from Ionia, the asian themed region.

My only issue is the fact that Vastaya went from champs like Rengar, Wukong, Neeko, and Nami to Rakan, Xayah, Ahri, and Sett (Obviously this isn't in release order because if it was people would just talk about how Rakan and Xayah were the 2 champs that created the Vastaya idea and Im talking more design wise stuff). The Vastaya are animal humans right? So why do the majority of Vastaya look like half breeds like Sett? I know its marketing but from a "realistic" side why does Sett fit in without looking like a half breed he was literally suppose to be?

Ill go over the designs real quick and what I think is good about the designs and whats bad so expect alot of "Hurr look like human"

Ahri: Based off a fox or the nine tailed fox, Foxish ears, nine white tails, female body and head. Stereotypical humanoid fox girl just with nine tails not a big fan of her design BUT it does make some sense since in the lore shes somewhat of a succubus who steals souls so I'll give it that but maybe some animal features would be nice.

Nami: Based off a mermaid, Fish tail, green scaly skin, fin hair and fins on her torso and arms. Shes what I think is a good mix of what Riot could do with a female Vastaya. Riot CLEARLY wants sex appeal with female champs considering how they can make a champ look completely attractive despite that not reflecting the lore (Looking at you Kai'sa) which Im not a fan of but they mix the aspects of fish characteristics while making them look human and like a mermaid perfectly and they could obviously do a better job but unless she gets a Ezreal level VGU she wont be touched for awhile.

Neeko: Based off a chameleon, long green tail, big eyes, different colored hair, purple leaf thingies, green skin patches across body. I think her design is good, she looks human but she has features that are lizard like and she isnt just human with tail tada! She reflects both of what she is and you don't really need to think "What kind of animal is she" Because she reflects lizard/Chameleon well with just her tail and big eyes. Though she could have went further into the animal side but the skin patches atleast make her design alot better.

Rengar: Based off a lion, lion face, ears, mane, lion tail, cat claws, fur all over body I really like Rengar's design. What a vastaya should look like a humanoid animal which is what Rengar is though no design is perfect. He was moved to a Shuriman Vastaya after they were made so maybe he would contain more Shuriman type clothing but the braids are great and they could reflect culture within the type of Vastaya he is.

Wukong: Based off monkey, monkey face and tail, fur all over Wu is decent. He is a humanoid animal but due to how he doesnt reflect Ionian clothing and plus hes just a literal Sun Wukong that every game that contains asian themes seems to try to shove into their game just makes him not that likable design wise in my opinion. Maybe if he was a asian monkey species like a Japanese macaque and not just general monkey species.png compiled with a modern Ionian design he could turn into a good Vastaya.

Rakan and Xayah: Rakan based off colorful male Galliformes and Xayah based off female birds to a extent but can also be a reference of a harpy, Rakan contains bright colors in his hair and clothing, Xayah contains darker colors and is plainer in color scheme, both have 1 wing, animal ears, bird skulls on them with the opposite champs feathers. Both have bird legs (Thanks ZackTheWaffleMan I forgot about the legs) Once again I like the designs but they aren't exactly reflecting human bird people especially if you remove the wings. They have normal human hair and only contain feathers on looks like the wings and despite being on their forearms I feel like they are just apart of the arm guards. I DO really like how they made Rakan colorful and like to dance which is literally what male birds are like IRL since they are colorful to attract mates and they usually have some kind of dance to attract the female with too and making Xayah a darker and plainer design reflects how females are plain and camouflaged for safety. 1 other problem is that they're bird people right? So why do they have what looks like fox ears or caracal ears? Ofcourse they can be a mix but if you're gonna go down on the bird theme shouldnt you not include pointy ears that feel like they're rushed because they didnt know what to put as ears? Still good designs and contain Ionian features which helps them alot.

Sett: Based off a wolverine, Vastaya mixed with human, Red hair, small pointy ears. Sett is someone I like but I can't help but nitpick him. He is partly Vastaya and Noxian yet I dont see him looking different from Ahri or Xayah despite his tribe making his mother leave because he was a mixed breed but HIS MOTHER DOESN'T LOOK ANY DIFFERENT FROM SETT OR ANY OTHER VASTAYA FEMALE!?!? Sett was originally thought of being a badger vastaya due to his name meaning badger burrow and him having his own underground fighting pit fits that idea more but of course he was revealed to be a wolverine from a Rioter and in my honest opinion if you have to tell your community that someone is a certain thing and you can't see it or at least tell they are some type of animal similar to the core one and people think his ears are from a feline you've already failed in his design. What from Setts design reflects part wolverine? Nothing. He is a mixed breed but he could STILL reflect something. Smaller in height to reflect that wolverines are small? Nope. Rounded ears? Nope. Dark brown hair? Nope. He literally has ZERO things design wise that reflect he is a wolverine and he literally looks like he has cat ears and the red hair doesn't scream wolverine though that might be intentional due to his father perhaps having red hair due to him being Noxian. The designers could have done several things to reflect his a half breed in several ways. Patches of hair on random places, different body proportions, different eyes, claws, some kind of skin patches like Neeko, etc. Despite me bashing the designs for failing to capture the animal they used for Sett I'll give credit where its due he does look like a half breed with a more human dominant appearance and he does look cool.

Ending thoughts: I do really like the Vastaya idea since mixing people with animals can create a interesting design yet what makes a champ like Sett have his hardship of being a half breed looks INCREDIBLY stupid when you see every other Vastaya and realize he just looks like a male Ahri. The only issue I have with Vastaya and champs as a whole is that Riot will sometimes sacrifice lore and design for sex appeal, especially with the females.

76 Comments

Camille Ferrøs1/7/2020, 5:44:50 PM29 votes

The sacrificing lore and design is an established fact by now. Sadly. I think the entire point of the Vastaya being from Sett who is a human with headphones that have ears attached to Rengar who looks like a Lion on 2 legs. Is to have that freedom do to whatever in between and the explanation being...Magic!

ZackTheWaffleMan1/7/2020, 6:47:51 PM19 votes

I'd just like to point out that Rakan Xayah have bird legs, as well. I didn't see that mentioned anywhere in your post, and I thought it would be a good addition

Tin Obliterates1/7/2020, 7:39:17 PM11 votes

Aren't the Vastaya themselves already half breeds if they came to be because of some humans and Vastayashai’rei (Neeko's race) bonding a long time ago? That means he had a fully human father and a roughly half-human half-vastaya mother.

I know it sounds stupid and that's not exactly how it works but maybe Sett is just a quarter Vastaya then? Would make sense why he's so human looking.

The Dreamwalker1/7/2020, 7:14:11 PM9 votes

To be fair, the Vastaya don't all have to be full animal. Their human side can be dominant compared to their animal self gene wise.

Ahri was created long before Vastaya was a thing. She used to be a fox turned human from magic. Now that Vastaya is a thing she was added there with a concrete lore. Her being Vastaya is probably what convinced Riot that X and R were fine.

Also, Sett is definitely more of a halfbreed. He has cute wolf ears and fur. X and R at least have bird legs. Even Ahri is more animal cause she has the whole tail thing.

ModRowanstar1/7/2020, 8:42:09 PM9 votes

My issue with Vastaya: too many of them are human looking. i dont mind full humans like Darius as they are cool. But having a human with wierd animal legs/ears is just odd to me and reminds me of anime too much. It doesn't look remotely cool. I prefer fully animalistic champions like Rengar, Nami (since shes a fish), Neeko is one of the worst. I mean she is a gecko/chameleon but with a human face which is weird. She should have just been given a normal chameleon head. IMHO full animal is always better than mixed (not including speaking or walking on two legs like rengar). More beast/animal champs is whats needed instead of random anime freaks.

Jaspers1/7/2020, 9:02:00 PM5 votes

Vastayan's as a concept is great, I can even understand the idea that the (once) born from magic beings mated with humans to form what we have now, animal hybrids of varing degrees. It means we also could have both sides of the spectrum, the Ahri that looks basically human with tails or someone who is baiscally a wolf just talks because they have the intelligence of other evolved beings. We don't have the latter however yet.

I can understand the point, Sett was thrown out for being too human yet Vastayan and their ancestors could shape shift to I presume practically human looking beings. I think if he had more visual characteristics of maybe Kimahri from FFX or Sabretooth from Marvel he would suit the brawler Vastayan design more but he is designed in a way to sell (sadly).

The Highest Noon1/7/2020, 8:17:12 PM5 votes

"Halfbreeds like Sett"

I'm sorry, what? If you think ANY of them look like Sett, you're out of your mind. The only one who's even close to Sett is Ahri, and correct me since I'm probably wrong but her beauty is more or less an illusion.

Sett = Ears Xayah + Rakan = Wings, feathers, legs, ears Rengar, Wukong, Nami = Their entire damn body Neeko = Head, feet, hands, skin, tail

Nidalee is less of a Vastayan than Sett and she's entirely human but can turn into a legit cat Udyr the same, and isn't part animal at all

I think this is something that you should just not complain about, especially when this isn't your Universe and you're nowhere near the creative team to make any corrections in the first place.

Next, you're kinda just stereotyping all of the Vastaya into one system of beliefs, which is a pretty grave faux-pas no matter what you're talking about.

FOR JUSTICE1/7/2020, 8:14:47 PM4 votes

Fucking Furries

Ionian Vulpix1/8/2020, 3:15:32 AM3 votes

Vastaya is just a general grouping of species descended from common ancestors. Remember how animals are scientifically grouped and named? It's like that. Vastaya is a much more general grouping than the specific tribes each character belongs to.

Going by that assumption, there is a ton of leeway with what they can do with Vastaya. What's important is how evolution and the passing of traits work. Rengar's tribe is a group of savage hunters who live in the forest; their lion-based form is best suited for that lifestyle, so naturally those with it lived to pass on those traits. Survival of the fittest. Same with Nami. Her tribe is aquatic, so she's got the flippers and tail. The mermaid design is just that; a design. It works for the game, which is why she also has a human face instead of a fish head. And breasts for some reason. Those tribes are much more isolated and were forced to evolve to survive in their environment.

Ahri, Xayah, Rakan, and now Sett are all part of Vastayan tribes that live in close proximity to humans. Since humans have evolved to be very good at killing things that are different, it's in their best interest to have evolved to appear more human as well. Then if humans and Vastaya bred, that would dilute the gene pool, giving champions like Sett. And as for being bullied only for the ears; people are terrible. People are still ostracized for beliefs, skin colors, etc. There were even issues with people being left-handed. People always find a reason to hate and mock. In Sett's case, it was his Vastayan heritage, no matter how dilute.

Wolfeur1/8/2020, 1:20:53 PM3 votes

I think Rakan and Xayah have gone through magical process to make themselves look "more human", with limited success.

Ahri we can assume is kind of the same concept. I think it's confirmed that Vastayas have mild shapeshifting abilities in general, and adopt different level of anthropomorphism.

As for Sett, he's only half-vastaya, so 3/4 human, in a sense.

Edit: source on shape-shifting

mrmeddyman1/7/2020, 7:37:21 PM2 votes

Cute/Sexy/Humanlike champions have a higher playrate and sell more skins. Bestial initial concepts like Kai'Sa and Neeko will slowly get more designed by committee as they approach release. This has been the reality of LoL for it's entire existence.

I'm not even mad about it, but just perplexed when people expect anything else than something designed by committee for a mass market. This IS the most popular game in the world barring Minecraft and Fortnite.

CasterGilgamesh1/7/2020, 7:18:37 PM2 votes

My theory was that setts linieg is so far from the Origin Vastaya that hes how he looks while someone like rengars people are more pure blood by virtue of size difference as rengar is a runt and already about as big as Darius or maybe even braum if we can get cannon heights for them also neeko again is more "Pure" blooded due to her people having been Isolated

Blaiz Fenix1/8/2020, 9:49:21 PM1 votes

The main reason you won't have Rengar's anymore is they aren't as popular. Period. And it would be stupid to make less popular champion designs.

Secondly, they look to much like Shuriman ascended. The half look is the best way to draw a distinct line between those two.

Secondly, there aren't that many animal types to choose from. Birds, fish, canine, felines, and reptiles are they easily the largest/most popular groups to choose from so it's hard to add much more than that without overlapping the same design space. You have to remember these champions also need to have skins. The only other group that is popular would be elephants, but I don't think they would do that.

At the end of the day, money speaks louder than words. Don't buy the champs you don't like and don't buy skins for them.