The Release Rant Syndrome

Melehan··55 votes·3,080 views

I've been silently reading these boards for a few years now, and enjoying most of it, but there's one thing that bothers me a lot. Every time a new champion comes out the urge to write this little piece comes and I resist it. But with the combo of Galio and the two lovebirds, I have to say now's probably the time. It all boils down to one thing.

We should not complain about the fact that the champion doesn't match our expectations before we get the full experience.

What do I mean by this? Well, let's take a stroll back to about a year ago. The release of Jhin.

Nowadays he's the closest we've had in years to a complete success story in league. He has become a quintessential ADC, being played in every rank by a great variety of people, his gameplay remains fun and enjoyable, fresh and unique. And his character design is one of the best Riot have ever produced, like him or not.

Cut back to a year ago, the announcements happen. Champions' pages getting changed to make it seem like they were killed in dazzling displays by a mysterious sniper. A breath-taking animation with beautiful music, cutting to a distressing view of the man himself. The hype was built, and you could feel the expectations. And then, when the kit is released, the nightmare begins.

"He's not artistic enough." "Why aren't there more animations?" "I thought there would be a tree with blossoming flowers in his kit." "You've duped us with your promises, this champion's kit is very uninteresting."

Don't act like this didn't happen. It did, and if you go look at the release, comments very similar to these are still there. See for yourself.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/page/champion-reveal-jhin-virtuoso

And there's where my problem lies. I'm not saying you shouldn't complain about a lackluster release, don't get me wrong. But hasty judgement leads to mistakes. And in this case, there was one thing missing for a fully informed judgement.

Jhin's VO.

The greatest part of the champion. The nexus of his identity, the glue that kept the character together. And once you heard it, you understood. He's not doing art. He's not making something beautiful. He thinks he is, but in reality he's a maniac. A murderous psychopath that makes horrible things pretty in his head. And that's why the teaser was called "Mind of the Virtuoso". See, this is nothing new here, I'm not imparting great knowledge, just emulating the thoughts someone would've had after all the pieces fit. You all know this now. And you also know that, contrary to popular belief back then, Jhin's kit fits like a glove because it is coordinated to a VO that has yet to be matched in brilliance and the character identity more akin to that of a delusional killer than that of an artist.

Essentially, this rant on rants is meant to say that I don't think most champions deserve the flak we give them on release. It's like reading a book and then going to see the movie and finding out that character you imagined a certain way doesn't look like you what you imagined, and now you're disappointed. I've felt this, and probably so have you. But then you go through the movie, and leave the room at the end with a big ol' smile because it ended up working perfectly despite not matching your expectations. So maybe, just maybe, let's look at the whole picture before declaring a verdict, and allow for these champions to defeat our skepticism and reshape their image with the arsenal at their disposal, from a good background short story to a unique twist in their kit or a very, very nice skin.

33 Comments

Jet Sett9 votes

Don't forget the part where they look for every similarity between the new kit and the kits of other champions'. People were calling Jhin's W "long range Zyra E" and his ultimate was "better Caitlyn ult"

Camille ult was "better J4 ult" despite serving a different purpose. And Tahm's ult was "crappy TF ult"

These abilities all have their similarities, but end up serving a different purpose in and of themselves as well as the champion's kit they belong too. A champion's design is unique in purpose and character, they may not wholly be "original" in every aspect, but they almost never fail to be unique and original in execution.

Melehan1 votes

Very true. I find it is probably the one other thing that happens systematically, and while it does make sense (it lets people describe the champions abilities by referring to ones they already know), it gets bad a soon as it is associated with the word "copy".

Don't need to look too far to see this: the infamous 3-hit passive. It's a joke by now so no worries, but some characters got some backlash because of it, for instance Tahm. And this despite the fact that his 3-hit isn't anything like any other in what concerns its use and purpose.

Korios7 votes

I don't know. I just want the reworks to come out, because I trust RIOT they will not fuck up some champions (visually and lore) for example: Warwick was good: still a werewolf but with more futuristic designs and new origins. Galio: oh boy, the first teaser was promising BUT when he came out I felt super disappointed.But thinking again filled my mind with second thoughts. I mean a Gargoyle couldn't fit the lore, but a giant statue with the right colours seems accurate. IDK what I'm writing.

Oelyk2 votes

Knowing the system and curing the system are two very different things.

Baron of Bread2 votes

"I was payed to put on a killer show." What a beautiful VO...

That aside, I agree with you. I don't think the VO is really the most important part, but I believe waiting until you have played the champ and read the lore would make people less hostile to new champs.

Lady Faceless2 votes

I like this post. I try not to judge riot as long I didn't have all the evidence. (VO, Kit & Lore) My current problem with Riot is - at least for the new lore - we have 50/50 chance it will be great or it will awful. Almost nothing in between (expect J4 and Shyv). I did enjoy the new Viktor and Janna lore and had high hopes for the demacia event. Then I read the new Vayne lore. She was a character who I really enjoyed lore-wise, but they took everything from her.

I really wish I could say Riot is always doing the right thing, but sometimes I have the feeling, they change characters, which are already fleshed out (Vayne, Leona, Diana...) and as result the get a character, who has even less personality.

THE RlVER KlNG2 votes

Jhin is not a success story

Malicious Metal3 votes

We know you have a hate boner for Jhin.

THE RlVER KlNG1 votes

And you have a regular boner for Mordekaiser

Blatant exaggeration and crude imagery aside, your point is?

ModAcademy Kayn2 votes

This is where I'm at when it comes to Kindred. People most definitely thought they were going to be DhaMa-esk, and i saw people who legit typed those types of comments, and from that they set up the expectation that it was going to be very interactive within themselves. When they came out, and saw Wolf wasn't as present as they thought he was going to be, they were let down by their own expectations. They saw DhaMa, got it into their mind, and placed those concepts on Kindred, unfairly.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Agreed, people jump to conclusions way too quickly.

LunSeiSleidee1 votes

They look like generic fanmade characters with anime cat-ears. I really do not need to know more about them.

Ralanr6 votes

Well that's your decision. Other people will still disagree with you as you do them regardless.

Lanceworks4 votes

You will never be the man gas reformed was

Whyte Lyon2 votes

Okay Gas was nothing compared to Impetual, but it's sad to think that he could get there.

Also throwing my two cents in: personal grievances are never really appropriate arguments for criticism, especially when the individual makes it worse by whinning like a cry baby. It's just cringy to watch someone crash and burn in a failed attemp to convince people that they know better than the majority. It seems to make them go insane.

Ralanr1 votes

Idk guys, I think Caitlyn was pretty up there.

TeCoolMage1 votes

Gas was nothing compared to Impetual

can I get context on this Is this the guy who was complaining about a retcon or smth

Whyte Lyon1 votes

Yeah Impetual was a broken record player, the kid drove himself insane over the retcon. It was always hard to watch a person turn so sour over time, yet all of it was his own doing.

He started off pretty popular in these boards but one day his justified complaints and arguments changed in nature. But he kept asking for discussion over the retcon and when Riot or the community indulged him he would re post for more discussions with the same questions the following day/hour. Purposefully ignorant and then attacking people trying to help, he was a literal brick wall. Even people who initially agreed with his dissatisfaction started to question his actions ... sometimes i think his issues were a bit more then just the retcon.

Funny tho, how dissatisfied people still spam post to this day.

rtbf2256182411 votes

When people complain about a new champion, Jhin is usually the last one brought up as an example of a failure.

He is one of the best champions Riot has ever created.

"He's not artistic enough." "Why aren't there more animations?" "I thought there would be a tree with blossoming flowers in his kit." "You've duped us with your promises, this champion's kit is very uninteresting."

Who the fuck said any of that? I'd like to have a chat with them.

And the beauty of Jhin's mind is that it's not that he doesn't know he's a maniac/psychopath. It's that he is obsessed with his delusion and he knows it.

"There is nothing for me but this."

"I swear each performance is the last, but i lie every time."

He knows what he is doing is wrong but like a drug addict, he can't let go of the ecstacy.

The champions people complain about are: Camille, Ivern, Ekko, Kled, Taliyah, Aurelion Sol, Illaoi because they all have severe problems in their kits that they have all abused or they've just been overtuned as fuck on release or overused in the Esports scene, causing severe balance problems. (Shen's rework is the prime example although not a new champion.)

midnight oil242 votes

They're saying that the people were leaping to conclusions about Jhin before he was released then went back on that when he came out. Basically, everyone judges these champs beforehand but might love them later.

rtbf2256182411 votes

Yes but with the current track record, these complaints are usually justified.

The people downvoting clearly missed the point.

Glory ln Death15 votes

You must have been on vacation or something when Jhin was revealed - he got so much hate from the community until, like, a week after his release when people started realizing he was good and that his personality and gameplay worked really well together.

rtbf2256182411 votes

Yeah on release. After that shitstorm, everyone settled down.

And i argued with some people on that and it always boiled down to what they liked no if Jhin's design was good from an objective point of view. In other words, they were biased.

Sexy Jack Rabbit1 votes

I think the biggest problem is that when Jhin was released he was the ONLY content we had at the time. There were no Reworks , or legendaries skins or new maps or new gamemodes around the time of his release.

There were A LOT of expectations. with his release as he was literally the ONLY thing happening. I think people's reactions were understandable, if still irrational.

ModCaptainMårvelous3 votes

Like Jhin's kit.

Still don't think his kit fits his personality. He (and many others, such as Ekko or Kindred) still strike me as champions who sell their persona and their thematics via particles more than gameplay.

It's still a neat kit but I jut don't see it fitting.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

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He is one of the best champions Riot has ever created. "Why aren't there more animations?" "I thought there would be a tree with blossoming flowers in his kit." "You've duped us with your promises, this champion's kit is very uninteresting."

Who the fuck said any of that? I'd like to have a chat with them.

Literally the top comment in the article OP linked, with (currently) 604 points:

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I find it rather odd that there's almost nothing "artistic" about his playstyle, his kit, appearance, or graphics. I'm assuming he has unique taunt interactions with a few champions, but beyond that, the teaser seems... amazing but totally irrelevant.

I don't see why they didn't add something like getting a Killing Blow with an R bullet summons a tree on the enemy's corpse that grants a small amount of vision and slows around them for a couple seconds. It would be more unique than yet another super-long range skillshot ult, and would help tie the teaser with the champion more.

Disappointed, but at least he looks more engaging than other marksmen... not that that is particularly hard to do.

rtbf2256182411 votes

Sounds to me like this person is mainly disappointed by the ultimate. Yeah, let's summon massive trees with an op slow around them just to block the view and make it impossible to dodge the incoming bullets.

Other than that, saying there is nothing of value in his kit thematically is delusional. Has he not seen what happens when he kills somebody?

My main complaint would be that if the bullet kills somebody, it should keep going and only eventually collide with the 4th target, provided it goes through 3 people first.

I mean that would make the most sense with the trailer seeing as it was 1 bullet, putting the pictures side-by-side.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

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Sounds to me like this person is mainly disappointed by the ultimate. Yeah, let's summon massive trees with an op slow around them just to block the view and make it impossible to dodge the incoming bullets.

Other than that, saying there is nothing of value in his kit thematically is delusional. Has he not seen what happens when he kills somebody?

Please go read the comments on the thread, there's so much context there.

Really, it (and the stuff you're saying) corroborates OP's point that people should wait until they've actually seen the full package to complain about it.

rtbf2256182411 votes

No. You can't tell me to just walk away without you addressing the point i made first.

Saying "I'm right, you're just contradicting yourself" is not how an argument works.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

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No. You can't tell me to just walk away without you addressing the point i made first.

Saying "I'm right, you're just contradicting yourself" is not how an argument works.

Your comments make it exceptionally clear that you have not taken the time to read even the top few comments on the thread OP linked, I quoted, and we are all referring to. If you're not prepared to take 3 minutes and take a look at the source that proves the point, I'm not obliged to spend 10 writing out a response.

rtbf2256182411 votes

First, there is no link. So i have no clue what you're talking about in that regard.

Second, you stray from the subject by totally ignoring the point i made from my personal perspective.

In other words, you're taking my point out of context. I wasn't referring to that random person's opinion with my argument.

PS:If it takes 10 mins to write out a response, my argument must be pretty complicated for you to understand.

Silver Singed1 votes

See, that's funny because I don't really like Jhin. I feel like the ammo system makes champions a mess to balance. I mailed ADC in season five but the role is kind of miserable now. I don't like champions that don't have a trade off between utility and damage output.

I honestly could care less about how many animations he has. ^..^;

Smitty Manjensen1 votes

I was also watching these boards for some years, and I notice that every single time a new champion is revealed people write "Am I the only one who think he/she's well designed?" and then usually they turn out to be useless or broken beyond belief, or just toxic design.

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