So the Noxus military respects their members based on their strength rather than their background.

Ralanr·12/19/2016, 1:10:22 AM·20 votes·3,061 views

But has this always been the case? Let's take a look at Sion and a few of his quotes.

Upon buying item 3102 we get "No mere spell will stop me." indicating that he doesn't have much respect at all for magic.

Then we have his line when buying item 3156 "Spells... hmph." again showing that he has little respect for magic.

Now back when he was alive, Sion was the hand of Noxus. Basically he was the Dragon to Boram's "Big Bad" so to speak (not that Noxus is evil. They're just expansionist). This guy was basically the poster boy of the military, right? Does that mean that Noxus didn't always have equal respect for anyone in their military if they had a magical background, even if they accomplished much through magic?

Probably not.

Sion himself was just one person. People can have varying opinions when it comes to certain topics. So while Sion may have not respected magic much, he most likely didn't let magic impede people from ascending upwards. I'd imagine he'd feel very bitter if someone with magic defeated him in single combat, but I doubt that has happened enough (or ever actually. Sion doesn't look like a guy that lost a lot) since he disrespects magic rather than dislikes it. He's probably been in enough battles where the enemy army had tactics that hinged on the might of magic only to be felled by Sion's military tactics and might (I know he doesn't look like much, but Boram wanted Sion back to lead his armies for a reason and I don't think it's because he killed Jarvan the 1st. I believe Sion was damn good at his job).

What really interests me is how this impacts his relationship with Boram Darkwill, the leader of Noxus at the time. Now I didn't read the old lore (it was pretty much gone when I joined) so I don't know the bigger details. But I believe that it said somewhere that Boram was a magic user, especially given how he kept extending his lifespan (dude was going for the immortal ruler route. But since he didn't go all Revenant like al la Mordekaiser, there was nothing to prevent him from dying of good old fashioned betrayal/coup d'etat).

Now Sion has a lack of respect for Magic, but as referenced by the Black Rose as "his most trusted supporter dead" meaning that Boram was important to Sion. It's possible that Sion respected Boram for his power and capabilities outside of magic, but we (or I, maybe it was already explained) do not know how their relationship worked. Was it professional, a friendship, or dare I say something deeper?

Whatever the case may be, it seems that magic has an interesting history in Noxus, and not just because the city is founded upon the ruins of a mythological warlord that now wants his stuff back. Has there been classist struggles with magic? Looking at Katarina and Cassiopeia's family, it could be possible that the noxian noble houses have or have an ancestor who had magical connections that allowed them to ascend through the ranks and claim nobility once Noxus was established. Yes Katarina is basically just throwing daggers, but I like to think of her using magic to help amplify her current ability. It's like having the power to manipulate flames and you only use it to make your cooking easier. Magic is also inherited, so it may explain why Talon doesn't have any magical ability despite being given similar lessons by Katarina's father.

It's also possible that magic isn't really a common thing to be seen in the public of Noxus. With the Black Rose around, I feel that any potential magic users that do not belong to a noble house are willfully or forcefully recruited under them if they don't go to the military (or if their magic is promising). They probably don't go after them when their already in the military because the Black Rose does its best to keep itself hidden from public. But honestly I can totally imagine Taliyah becoming a thrall to the Black Rose if she didn't escape from Noxus eventually. So I wouldn't be too surprised if the Black Rose had members of the military in their service (I expect it actually) that would push potential candidates into their fold.

So I guess the question is, how has Noxus felt about magic over the years?

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Epicurus12/19/2016, 4:14:20 AM19 votes

Interesting thoughts. Here's my two cents... Our most beloved undead Sion does seem to have a clear disdain for magic, which I assume is a remnant of his former self, prior to being resurrected.

Noxian's respect the strength of an individual, but mayhaps they (at least at the time of Sion's former life) view magic as an affront to a person's strength. When someone as mighty and glorious as Darius can be tossed aside and disintegrated by some moody Ionian teenager, that most grate on their values. Really bringing magic to an axe fight is just cheating. Also effortless magic users such as Taliyah ,Syndra and Lux are rare. As in really rare (outside of Ionia that is). Who knows what sort of superstition the people of Noxus have towards such individuals.

But what about Noxus's own magic users? Well, we have Annie, who in the old lore was the child of refugees fleeing from Noxus. What she is in the new lore is anyone's guess. There's Cassiopeia, who only became "magical" due to some extremely poor decisions in Shurima. Personally, I don't consider Katarina to be magical, only skilled. Then we have the Black Rose: Leblanc, Swain, Elise and Vladimir . Elise's lore tells us that they have a keen interest in magic, but beyond that we don't know much about them besides the fact that they're pretty secretive. The fact that almost all of the genuine magic users of Noxus are part of a super-secret underground society seems to reinforce the idea that Noxus does not look favourably on such talents.

Now, for Boram Darkwill. This is mostly my personal headcanons. I assume he, in his prime, was not a magician, but a peerless warrior and leader in the traditional Noxian values. And I also assume that he and General Sion were very close friends. When Sion died, Darkwill had not only lost a great asset for use in war, but his closest friend, and so his decision to make contact with the Black Rose was fuelled by grief and paranoia. This is the point in history that marks the end of Noxus' glory days. Darkwill (who according the old lore was a total nut) is driven further into insanity by the failed resurrection and entombment of his friend, the Black Rose now has leverage on the Noxian high command and comes creeping out of the shadows (which eventually leads to Swain becoming Grand General), and possibly Darkwill starts using necromancy to extend his own life.

So in summary, I think that "true" Noxians would not look kindly on the use of magic. But as one particularly violent and vociferous Yordle can remind us (in between audacious accusations of trespassing, of course), Noxus is no longer keeping to the ideals it once did. Magic in Noxus is on the rise, especially following the success of Swain, but it is seen as another tool for war. The Noxian's tried to use Taliyah as a weapon, after all, and Rito's alluded that the pursuit of more magic is why they invaded Ionia.

This was my first time posting on the boards, so I hope my words were of interest. Long live the Empire!

Big Lincoln12/19/2016, 1:14:07 AM18 votes

tl;dr

magic is for wimpy pusc

real men have stronk

ModAcademy Kayn12/19/2016, 7:23:34 PM5 votes

So what you're saying is....

Boram x Sion.

I ship it.

PlanetWarwick12/19/2016, 1:59:52 AM2 votes

Ap sion

Off Meta Evan12/19/2016, 4:46:59 PM1 votes

as for the actual topic, i would chalk up his hatred of magic towards his hatred of jericho swain. Magic also probably had a part to play in resurrecting him so his hatred/disrespect for magic is probably justified. Honestly as far as noxus is concerned the actual ideals of strength being respected have been tainted by the evils of swain and Darius but that just like, my interpretation man.

Kled Man Walking12/19/2016, 5:24:58 PM1 votes

well, something else to think about is that noxus has a military that's kind of ragtag and stitched together from a bunch of different cultures that they've conquered. they're expansionist, and it's likely that at least a few of the peoples they absorbed into noxus were heavier practitioners of magic.

hell, looking at kled's lore specifically, it mentions "bloodrunners," who we don't know anything about except that they use magic. maybe they were a tribe that noxus conquered, but didn't totally wipe out, that then came to be used as a specialized magical military division?

again, noxus is VERY anything goes and i think so long as it benefits the empire high command isn't gonna say no to it being in the military. there may be a social stigma against it, but i highly doubt it's outlawed to any extent. and when you've been in the game as long as noxus has, you probably have ways of getting around magic.

Sraeg201312/19/2016, 7:17:18 PM1 votes

Magic is also inherited

Not always. For example Syndra's parents were not magical.

On the flip side we have Yordles who possess no known magical capabilities except for Lulu (given by a fairy) and Veigar (who got so mad he became a mage basically)

ppmi20029/8/2019, 1:31:28 PM1 votes

garen isnt a magic user his silence is the petricite of his sword draining your magic (he doesnt aplay it in aa because it would be broken and he also can nulify fisical abilities for the same reason sombra can nulify running) and his magical giant sword of the f**k you is because he ask a lvl 16 kayle from other game to strike donw his foes.

DragonIgnis12/19/2016, 10:35:42 AM1 votes

{quoted} ...I believe that it said somewhere that Boram was a magic user... ...Magic is also inherited...

If you read Swain's (expanded) lore, the lore of the current general of Noxus, you'll find that Swain ascended to his position by defeating Keiran Darkwill in a duel. Keiran was the successor to Boram and the wording of the duel suggests Keiran didn't use magic.

Many members of High Command believed [the duel] to be a strong move and expected Keiran, a notoriously skilled duelist, to win. Keiran initially had the upper hand but due to Swain's magical tactics, Keiran surprisingly lost.

If magic is inherited, this goes against the idea of Boram being a magic user.

However, here's also the counterargument that magic isn't inherited considering Lux is Garen 's sister yet Garen uses no magic. In this case, Boram could've been a mage and magic skipped over Keiran.

The point I'm trying to get across is I don't believe Boram to have been a mage. The Black Rose likely did the life extending for him and made him insane in the process.

Sion probably hates magic because the Black Rose is trying to manipulate Noxus.

Lùmen12/19/2016, 1:37:53 PM1 votes

So what would Sion have to say about hemomantic powers and a few other things that still keep him going? In the rework teaser, Vladimir and his.. "blood minions" used such powers to bring him back.

Off Meta Evan12/19/2016, 4:24:00 PM1 votes

as far as the katarina thing goes, honestly katarina is one of the few magic users that doesn't make any fucking sense. so okay lets just look at most magic abilities, Xerath everything, literally bolts of magical energy, makes sense. Ziggs everything, okay they're bombs, but they're HEXplosives, so it a fusion between magic and bombs, still makes sense. Garen R, okay so all of his abilities are physical based save for the GIANT FUCKING SWORD, okay so that clearly magical in nature. make sense. Ekko everything, its HEXtech technology, so his glow lights and his ability to manipulate time probably comes from magic as WELL as raw science. Katarina she stabs you with knives.... but magically i guess tho. little off topic but this is something thats always bothered that absolute FUCK out of me.