Confessions of a Broken Blade Resolves Issues Too Quickly.

ModEchoing·4/26/2018, 5:43:50 AM·27 votes·14,284 views

I can appreciate that Riot's finally moved the plot forward for these two characters. Good job.

However, there's something that bugs me about how this is resolved. Specifically, I'd like to point out Riven's desire for death.

Let's go back a bit. When she first came out, Riven was a really badass soldier who fell victim to a chemical warfare attack by Singed that destroyed her vision of Noxus. While Singed's involvement became somewhat questionable, the basis never really changed. And it worked just fine - it kept her motivations and character intact. Her character was also pretty unique - I said that it destroyed her vision of Noxus, but that's not quite accurate. Rather, it destroyed what she thought of the current Noxus, but not of its ideals. That part's significant.

Now, after Yasuo came out for long enough, it became pretty clear that Riven was the one who killed his elder. And that was fine. Riven's a badass soldier, after all, and Ionia's the kind of place where old men become total badasses, so it's very much plausible that Riven fought and killed Elder Souma over a grueling battle lasting at least an hour, pushing them both to the limit before she breaks out her ultimate. It even fits in with Riven's philosophies - Noxus values the strong, and Riven clearly showed herself to be stronger than Elder Souma.

What's important here, though, is that while Riven didn't get any real lore updates until now, her character was pretty consistent: Loyal to the ideals of Noxus, not necessarily the country, with all the implications therein.

Fast forward to now. Before the story even changes, we've got a major shift in character - Riven doesn't have that kind of zeal for Noxus's ideals any more. That's huge. Without that zeal, she loses any motivation to keep fighting, really. And that's exactly what happens here - when we see Riven, she's working as a farmhand.

There's also another purpose behind those ideals though: if the strong survive, then Riven isn't necessarily bound by guilt for fighting as she did. She was strong, so she survived. That's why the chemical attack was so repulsive to her, in fact - it cheated the strong VS weak paradigm completely by killing both indiscriminately. Without these ideals, we get Riven as she is now - overwhelmed with remorse over the deaths of Ionians in the war.

That's a marked change from her character already. From a Noxian zealot who abandons Noxus to try and reform it, to a shell-shocked war veteran in hiding. It sounds like the result of some other story.

Where this really hits an issue, though, is that Riven's also picked up a near-suicidal desire to die as penance. This is not the Riven we were introduced to in Season 1. This is barely Riven at all. This is an incredibly huge retcon to Riven's lore.

But let's face it, retcons are needed. So much of the lore is out of date or just plain undetailed. We're still waiting for such updates on people like Alistar and Malphite. The presence of the retcon really isn't the problem here.

The problem is that the issue the retcon introduces is immediately resolved by the end of the story.

As far as we, the audience, are concerned, Riven has only really just begun as a character at the start of the story. This Riven bears no resemblance to the patriot of Season 1. The presence of this fatalistic urge seems pretty big, and it probably would have been a really good part of her character. The loss of her Noxian idealism would have been noticeable, but someone fighting the way she does while feeling the way she does would offset that handily.

Except we don't get to see that Riven. She has no screentime between her introduction and the end of the story where this aspect of her character is resolved. The story introduces this battleworn Riven as the only Riven, then quickly does away with it by the end.

In short: Riven's character was retconned, then the retconned issues were instantly solved.

There's no time to get invested in this new Riven. You can't see her drive for death as she swings her broken blade - or hell, an improvised weapon - at a roving band of bandits with reckless abandon. You can't see her risk her life to save someone, not out of kindness, but just so she could do one thing right. You can't see her break down and run away from relationships because her guilt is so crushing she feels she doesn't deserve it. You can't see her rage and frustration at her former commanding officer, the one who set her up and violated her trust and faith. No, instead you get to see Riven in court, for what feels like a very brief time, and then it's over as they find the truth - that Elder Souma didn't die in a badass hour-long duel with Riven, but instead died trying to break her blade, not knowing it had old-man-seeking homing shards.

If a character flaw is introduced with the character, but it's resolved in the very first story, was it really a flaw?

The frustrating bit about this, though, is that Riot did this RIGHT before.

Let's go farther back to literally everyone's favorite event, Burning Tides. When I say literally, I only use about 30% hyperbole. On pretty much every level, this was a masterpiece. Part of that was the resolution of two major plot arcs between champions - champions we've had since Season 1. We've known that Miss Fortune has been out to kill Gangplank ever since he killed her parents. We've known that Twisted Fate got magic in an experiment. And we've known that Graves never forgave Twisted Fate for selling him out for that experiment.

So what happens? Miss Fortune succeeds in killing Gangplank along with his ship (well, not really, but close enough). Graves finally reaches an understanding with Twisted Fate after he learns his side of the story. Miss Fortune realizes that killing Gangplank doesn't actually fix anything for her - and if anything, made things worse for Bilgewater. Graves finds that part of his own vendetta was his own fault anyways, and is humbled at the losses incurred because of him. Both characters change for the better, and this has honest-to-goodness impact because we've had them around since Season 1. We've been sitting on this for years, and it finally hit its payoff. That's freaking awesome.

Contrast with this story. We're introduced to a new Riven, but as soon as we get a handle on her, everything is fixed. We haven't had any time to appreciate new Riven. New Riven didn't even get to do any real fighting or talking or rescuing or exploring or adventuring or anything. It's already over by the time we've got to new Riven.

If you're only taking away one thing from this, Riot, let it be this statement: Please don't change a character and then resolve core flaws with that character in the same story. It cheapens the investment we have in your characters, and defeats the purpose of introducing these changes in the first place. It also encourages what I think is a rather dangerous path - changing up a character's personality just to get a story out of them that wouldn't be possible otherwise. I'm not saying that's why you did this change to Riven, but let's be honest - you couldn't have written this story with old Riven and her Noxian ideals.

As always, I'm excited for new lore updates. I just hope that if Riot has to completely rework a champion's character (looking at you, Alistar), that they give us some time to get to know this new character first before they start making major changes to this character.

60 Comments

Automated Riven4/26/2018, 7:13:07 AM11 votes

I feel like riven in her new lore is bland and useless. I fucking hate it. I have tried, (I am gonna go reread the color story on a few days) but the old riven had a purpose. The old riven believed in something (even if it did fail her, kinda) and she had a reason to fight and a reason to wield her sword. In fact the briliance of her original lore is that it explained her breaking the sword AND still having it.

Riven other the new lore just feels like a worthless shade of her former self. She is suicidal in all but action. Her only redeeming quality as a character is her almost self depreciating respect for the farm couple. (She refused to defend herself for fear of spilling blood on farm land) The random obsession with her learning the words for siblings and parents didn't make sense considering how long she had lived with them (I believe a year but I can't say that for certain)

This new lore flies in the face of everything she was as a character and everything her in game quotes depict her to be. I hate it.

GreenLore4/26/2018, 8:36:23 AM8 votes

I do agree that they shouldn't rush some plot points too fast.

Though I feel like this was actually already a small problem in burning tides already,where it suddenly turned out that riot retconned the origin of twisted fates abilities and the circumstances of graves imprisonment,making the resolution feel like it came out of nowhere.(not to mention that MF all of a sudden knew already that GP killed her parents,wheras in the old lore it was a mystery)

And tbh,I hoped to see a bit of mystery surrounding the death of elder souma,everything getting solved like this,with us not even knowing how Yasuo found Riven,felt a bit anticlimatic.

However I can understand Riots decision to move the lore at such a fast speed,I mean we don't get many lore releases like this,so every release has to count.

Trying to slowly build up a story like this doesn't really work,if the next time they revisit the story would be in 5 years.

ModEchoing4/26/2018, 4:53:44 PM7 votes

Hah. Caught myself.

I'm not saying that's why you did this change to Riven, but let's be honest - you couldn't have written this story with old Riven and her Noxian ideals.

This is false, actually.

Instead of being haunted by the ghosts of weak Ionians that died because Riven was stronger, Riven is instead haunted by the ghosts of her squad, her family and trusted friends, killed because she didn't find out about the chemical weapon attack in time.

Instead of being held on trial for killing one specific old man - which is somewhat contrived to begin with - she's held on trial for the chemical weapon attack.

And instead of being forgiven because she didn't mean to kill the elder, she's forgiven because not even Noxus's greatest soldier is willing to defend the chemical weapon attack, and Riven's steadfast rejection of that is what convinces the people that a Noxian can be something more than just an oppressor.

You lose out on Yasuo's presence, but this approach hits all the same story beats otherwise while maintaining Riven's old character. This could have been done. This could have been possible.

JCPANDIT4/26/2018, 10:39:19 PM6 votes

There were a few things I wasn’t fond of, tbh.

  1. Elder Souma’s death was an accident. I would have felt more respect for Riven if it was intentional, ordered by one of her commanding officers, and she would bravely take personal responsibility for her actions. The “accident” feels like a cheap escape route.

  2. Riot suggesting that her story doesn’t end in Ionia, but judging by the posts on these boards, people have gotten a different impression entirely. I don’t think the possibility of her story progressing was communicated well.

  3. It would’ve been interesting if there was more emphasis on the fact that, even though she loathes Noxus, her thoughts and behaviour are still heavily influenced by her upbringing.

  4. Riven herself is... bland. There is nothing that distinguishes her from any other character, asides from her past actions and her blade. Her steadfast loyalty to the ideals of Noxus, even though she was disgusted with the betrayal of such ideals, was a unique and defining character trait that did not come across in this story. In fact, she didn’t really do much at all. The passiveness just didn’t make this story as compelling as it could be.

  5. The story progresses and ties up too cleanly. The death of Elder Souma has been a big deal to Yasuo and such a central point to his lore. Yet it’s resolved and over in three anticlimactic chapters.

Don’t get me wrong, I love any and all lore updates. Im super pleased there’s been progression and good job to Thermal Kitten! I can be overly critical when it comes to writing, and these were just some things that made the whole thing a bit unsatisfying.

Lintu Puck4/26/2018, 8:57:18 AM6 votes

I actually like this story. This Riven truly held onto the guilt of things and was as broken as he blade. She worked her ass off to get to where she was, only to be cast aside as collateral along with many she considered her Brothers and Sisters. They all believed in their father land, and they were killed for it. Seeing all of that would break just about anyone. Having barely survived she found herself before Elder Souma. She begs him to break her blade, break herself. Riven is at her weakest having the horrors of chemical warfare fresh in her mind and feeling she has nothing left. Souma agrees and tries to break it, but the Dark, Rune Magic in the blade retaliates and blasts the entire room, and with the wind power from Souma being part of that blast it looks like he was slain by his own technique. Riven freaks takes her broken blade and runs away, unintentionally leading to Yasuo getting blamed. Days later she is found near death and begging for it in the fields of the Old Couple. Having recently been broken themselves with the deaths of their sons they take her in, hoping to heal both her and themselves. Riven recovers some strength and becomes a farm hand. She is eventually found and taken to court. During it her mental blocks are lifted bit by bit and she is forced to face the ghosts of her pasts. After a quick fight with Yasuo and words from the lead judge Riven starts to become more at peace with things, and the next day she is sentenced to Live. She gets her title of Exile and is ordered to make good on reparations to all she has wronged. Thus this story arc ends and we get a Riven close to what we have in game. She has learned, she is slowly going to reforge herself. She and Yasuo now have their answers, it is up to them now to figure out how they make up for past mistakes. I just wish she got a new model at some point soon >.>

Doctor Fail4/26/2018, 1:45:46 PM5 votes

very slightly off topic, but worth being said anyway. There are two pretty huge understood rules to retcons:

A) Retcon out of necessity. Not out of convenience. Sufficiently consider avenues for the original work to function with your story before resorting to changing it.

B) If you find yourself having to retcon, then it is your responsibility to make the retcon both worthwhile and believable in terms of the original design. You can, for example, retcon who originally killed batman's parents without much issue or upset. If your story needs it to be the Joker instead of a random henchman, then you can make it the Joker without much fuss and get lots out of it. (But note that, now that you've created another massive avenue of motivation for the Joker vs Batman conflict this way, retconning the Joker OUT isn't as low risk as adding him IN was.) You can not, however, retcon the fact that Bruce's parents (at least apparently) died and inspired him to be Batman without being AU or causing upset. Since the later change alters a characters entire set of well-established motivations that have been present for years, you have to get massive value out of that retcon for it to be even close to worthwhile.

VoraciousX4/26/2018, 8:49:17 PM4 votes

My only problem is Elder Souma's death. A Freak accident? Really? I mean it's like they just wanted to tie that part of the story up quickly so no one talked about it anymore instead of giving us something actually interesting(They could have introduced a new wind based champion who REALLY killed Elder Souma, given her a REASON to kill him, hell they could have made Janna be the killer, god knows Janna really caused that destruction that made everyone pray for her, she's totally evil in my eyes, but at least that would have been more interesting than Elder Souma just randomly dying from a flying shard of her sword). The reason for them showing this Riven to us in my mind is to show her trying to repent for her crimes. She was traumatized by what Singed did to her allies and enemies, and wanted redemption. That's understandable and I've always felt like that was Riven's character. The problem is that the whole Elder Souma thing was such an important part of her and Yasuo's story(it was their only tie in pretty much), and then they just sort of went "Well this happened". Another annoying thing is they basically set Yasuo free despite all the people he's killed searching for the real killer, INCLUDING HIS OWN BROTHER, Riven was freed because she didn't REALLY kill him, and it's just like it was one big "Meh". They completely forgot about Yasuo killing everyone they sent after him, and were only worried about Elder Souma, while his actual death had no interesting tale to it at all.

ExcessiveProtest4/26/2018, 3:52:22 PM4 votes

I'm split on this; on the one hand, this story developed too quickly to have any real meaning, like you said. For a confrontation built up for four years, it's rather underwhelming. Problem is, since the Great Retcon several years back, this is one of exactly two stories to progress from their starting point, the other being Bilgewater. At this point there is a substantial chance that most Champions' stories won't see continuation before the heat-death of the universe, and that's with them rushing resolutions like this.

Zero Shingetsu4/26/2018, 1:00:37 PM4 votes

I absolutely agree. I've made a couple posts here and there now about Riot's tendency to sum things up in their lore with rushed, flimsy resolutions. They need to learn to abstract time a little, and see the macro scale. One person changing deeply because of a single, epic event? Possible. Two people? Maybe. Four people? Unlikely. Six people? It starts to get a little ridiculous. Most people take months or even years to change, even following a major event. Character is only character if it's constant.

If Riven doesn't have trouble letting go of her previous beliefs, if she doesn't shed them only after meaningful contemplation and insight into alternative ways of thinking, it feels like she doesn't really have character at all. "Proud badass" isn't a motivation, it's a persona. And a redundant one at that. She needs more, and I for one am not convinced that one long conversation with a wise old man (who belongs to a nation that had been her bitter enemy for at least four or five years!) is enough to provide that context for change.

Anu3isII4/26/2018, 11:00:55 AM3 votes

I like to think that there will be a second war between Noxus and Ionia, where she will come back to fight in order to protect her new home. She wants to be forgiven by the ghosts of the past, to reforge her weapon, and what better way than protecting their families and lands.

I believe what we see now is a phase before her final appearance as a warrior that seeks both redemption and her old ideals. She will want to prove Noxus that the traditional thinking was the best, and she will continously measure her strength with the new Noxian combatants to find if she is wrong in believing that.

Axzarious4/26/2018, 8:31:46 PM3 votes

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That's a marked change from her character already. From a Noxian zealot who abandons Noxus to try and reform it, to a shell-shocked war veteran in hiding. It sounds like the result of some other story

I think Riven was both of those in her previous lore. Now she's just the latter. They simplified her character and took the easy way out, robbing the character of her old personality. complexity, story, and all the potential she had that they could have used and incorporated. Instead they toss it all in the bin to prop up another champion or part of the world, leaving them a husk of who they were.

They did it with Karthus. They did it with Xerath. Now Riven. What really frustrates me is that they basically knock it out of the park with certain champions, retaining everything that made them who they were while also ushering them into the new world of League of Legends. They got it right with Swain. They got it right with Nasus. They almost got it right with Renekton, which disappoints me. Gangplank was another one who I think emerged more or less allright, even if I think he was forced to use the ball of stupid plot devices and murder MF's parents to force an easy motivation and connection (This might stem from me having read somewhere that Gangplank was smarter than he let on and much less of a simple thug which was the main reason he'd managed to hold Bilgewater together rather than just raw fear and power. Why not just hire the couple to be your exclusive gunsmiths? Even then? Murdering a couple over being great at making guns like normal guns aren't a threat... What?)

I sincerely hope that as part of Riven's future stories, there will include Riven regaining her love for Nosu, along with it's ideals. Her desire to fight on her own terms,and through that, the desire and drive to save her country. I hope that they merely decided to elaborate on the process Riven had in her original lore. If not, I'm just done with League's lore. Seeing three out of five-ish characters being thrown through the wood chipper is enough.

Nylisa4/26/2018, 6:09:41 PM2 votes

What's important here, though, is that while Riven didn't get any real lore updates until now, her character was pretty consistent: Loyal to the ideals of Noxus, not necessarily the country, with all the implications therein.

I understand what happend to Riven here. she had ideals yes but this might happen to all us. we build an image for ourselves from something or someone in our lives.we believe in it and even get attached to it without realizing, that image is not the true nature of what that thing is, but its what we made from it. sometimes that ideal is all that gives meaning to one's life and when that is gone, so is all that we've been living for! therefor death might seem like a sweet option. whats worse is when we learn we've been doing something we thought is right by our ideal but turns out we were wrong all along!

the cause of this can be different from person to person, from being alone, having a weakness within,trying to compensate for something by building ideals for ourselves, or even being blinded by how good it feels to follow it/someone.

im being a bit dramatic here but thats what i got from this. probably a bit off topic as well, just wanted to share this.

Ifneth4/26/2018, 4:37:57 PM2 votes

Yeah. Why does Riven even come to the Fields of Justice anymore? She has no time to train or fight, with all the work she has to do for Asa and Shava and the people she harmed during the war. I doubt she wants to fight anyone else again.

And now the ultimate is really horrible to think about. It’s Riven reliving all the guilt and pain of her past all over again. And again. And she stacks CDR so here it comes again. I shudder to imagine being a Riven player right now.