Am I the only one not having an orgasm over Jhin's character?

dunkeroni··9 votes·2,222 views

I don't mean to downplay the validity of the story that he has, because it's not that bad, but you have to admit that it's pretty cliche. People are claiming that he's a 'masterpiece' or marveling at the 'depth' of his character when in reality he shows about as much unique personality traits as the season long serial killer from any detective show. There's nothing wrong with using such standardized character concepts. He is a well done rendition of the usual trope, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Champions are designed to have a stark face value that we can readily compare to other character concepts that we've seen before. Mundo is from Jekyll and Hyde, Warwick is the big bad wolf, Yasuo is pretending to be Japanese, and Tahm is a southern usurer. From my perspective, I see Jhin no more compelling than the concepts behind lulu, even if Jhin happens to have a longer lore that fits better into modern fandom.

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CupcakeTrap6 votes

I agree and disagree.

I agree that he's hilariously cliche. And I think it's odd that so many people are going gaga over his alleged originality. Then again, LoL has a very young playerbase; for some people, this might be their first real exposure to this archetype.

I disagree, though, that his tropey nature makes him a bad character. This is League of Legends. Everything is stolen. That's actually part of the charm, IMO. When characters tap into well-known archetypes and established tropes, or even are flat-out copies of familiar characters, it's easier for the audience to quickly get the gist of their personality and theme. One look at Lux and you're like, oh, this is a peppy anime "magical girl". Sure, there's more to Lux than that, but people "get" her superficial identity very fast. You look at Shaco, and you're like, "Oh, it's the scary clown". This means you don't need to invest a lot of energy in understanding the character to be able to enjoy the character or for the character to resonate with you.

http://i.imgur.com/JSLQcqd.jpg

LoL characters tend to be two things:

  1. Utterly derivative
  2. Really derpy

Some people reject these aspects. I embrace them. I applauded Tahm Kench because "cajun catfish with a funny hat" is classic Riot.

dunkeroni3 votes

I didn't say that this made him a bad character, I just don't think that nature makes him any more interesting or intriguing than the other champions in League, yet he is getting much more attention for it than others have in the past. I definitely agree with you on League characters being based on superficial identities, but I feel like most of the community has completely turned a blind eye to the fact that the 'deep dark man' they're so infatuated with is the exact same as the villain in every sociopathic television series today.

CupcakeTrap3 votes

I hear you. It's hard not to be a little annoyed (in a vaguely superior way) when people fall for cheap tricks.

sociopathic

YES. I'm glad you mentioned that. I am so done with "this character is a violent sociopath who will KILL for NO REASON and has NO CONSCIENCE AT ALL". It's kind of like the "quest for vengeance" trope. It's easy to do, and it excites people who aren't bored with it or haven't yet had occasion to really pick it apart. But I think it's ultimately a cop-out. If you make a character a total sociopath, you don't have to actually explain their actions or how their actions change them. You can write super-violent, darker-and-edgier scenes that give the audience a thrill without "wearing out" your mayhem-causing character with trauma or introspection. And you can make a character "super mega badass" by excising any possibility that they might show vulnerability or anything else that would compromise their "most badassest killer assassin space marine ninja demon vampire terminator ever" image, thereby gaining an edge in that adolescent arms race to produce the Scary Badass™ who could totally beat up that other Scary Badass™.

It's also often done in a very shallow way, too, which further irritates me. Being a true sociopath is a massive character trait, but too often the word "sociopath" is tossed on as a coat of psychic shellac that merely prevents water damage or the need to explain feelings. Contrast something like American Psycho, which makes the entire movie about exploring the mind of an extreme sociopath, and the awful psychic void inside him. The comic/cartoon version of the Joker also does the trope well, IMO: first, a remorseless, gleeful killer is useful if all you really want is to give Batman a villain to fight, and second, they do delve deeper into the concept with (if I remember right) a fascinating exchange in which the Joker explains his origins by saying that, when the pain gets too much to bear, there's always the option of insanity: "insanity is the emergency exit". I think Jhin may be meant to be a Joker-type character, and that could work.

Another problem is that making a character a sociopath who just wants to kill and has no problems with killing doesn't leave a lot of room for a meaningful character arc. On the plus side, it doesn't demand much: it's pretty easy to figure out the character's motivations, because you've basically stamped KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL all over their psyche. But on the other hand, you don't get much out of it, either, other than a "force of nature" character for others to react to. In contrast, when approached in a mature way, making a character a sociopath is a high-risk, high-reward play that demands a lot of serious thought (and plot focus) but can pay some significant dividends, if you're willing and able to find something novel and meaningful to say in that barren wasteland trod over by so many mindless action heroes/villains/whatevers.

I guess what really gets me is that it's a sellout move. A certain kind of audience member, usually a younger one who's just emerging from a childhood of simplistic, bright-and-shiny fairy tales, is REALLY REALLY REALLY excited by super-grimdark, gory, gray-morality fiction. To such a person, a murderous sociopath is a shockingly profound new concept that exposes them to the novel idea that life can be unfair, brutal, and ugly. It often also appeals to teenagers who are feeling vulnerable, powerless, and overcome by new emotions by giving them a caricatured image of an unbreakable, superhuman figure who does not know fear or shame. (I feel this may in part be a gendered thing.) I don't want to be too snarky about that. I was there once. I remember reading Preacher, an utterly grotesque comic book that was my first, graphic exposure to the idea that the human body was a thing that could be torn apart, as a teenager. It made a huge impression. I feel like now I'd look at it, roll my eyes, and say, "this is just violence porn." But that's because I've already understood that concept. I hesitate to scorn people going through these initial steps of broadening their fictional perspective. Still, it's a sellout move, especially when there's nothing more substantial packaged with it. Watchmen, for example, used grittiness and misery to say something meaningful about the myth of the superhero.

Disclaimer to all of the above: I love 40K lore, which is just about nothing but a bunch of sociopathic macho killers inflicting mass death and destruction FOR THE EMPRAH. I accept judgment for this.

LoLYaHoO3 votes

agree, i have no idea what the hype is about. Also i still have no idea about his teaser. What was the purpose of killing Garen, VI, Sona and Zed?

Sona Ping1 votes

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agree, i have no idea what the hype is about. Also i still have no idea about his teaser. What was the purpose of killing Garen, VI, Sona and Zed?

To get people's attention.

It worked

GreenLore2 votes

While he is the "killer who thinks of his work as art"-archetype,which isn't that unique,I think its more about the fact that Jhins character is simply unique among the lol-champs.

Also there is the fact that the jhin-ama explained that Jhin is actually aware of what kind of monster he is and that he simply can't stop himself from killing,which adds a sad tone to his character.

And last but not least there is the fact that insane personalities are almost always very popular.

Ralanr2 votes

Couldn't care less about him. More interested in what his entrance changes.

And it changes a few interesting things.

TzQGRUST392 votes

The characters in LoL are pretty ingeniously designed. When you play them in-game, they are all just big stereotypes with no depth. But, when you start to look at their lore, they begin to become compelling and interesting. Gangplank is a good example of this, in-game he is just big bad pirate dude. In the lore however, he shows a lot of depth. I really can't think of a character quite like him. The characters are simple enough to digest at a glance, but intriguing enough to carry a story. Obviously some will be more cliche'd than others, but you still get the point.

The specific reason why people are impressed with Jhin specifically is because he shows more of the lore depth in his in-game VO, he constantly talks about his mental state and his likes and dislikes and add on the fact that he's bipolar (Not to mention that the voice actor is amazing). Then you see his lore that still gives you a good bit of information about him that you wouldn't get from just listening to him. The fact that he can remind you of a character that can carry a show as the villain for an entire season is a success all by himself. We got almost 130 characters to work with, not all of them will be all that original or hit the right note for you personally.

Ethereal3111 votes

You can't just call something deep and not explain what is deep about them. What's deep about GP?

TzQGRUST392 votes

On the outside he is brutal, ruthless, and unstoppable. But it is shown that a lot of this is just an act, he is fearful and paranoid, he acts as strong as he can, but that is a facade to keep bilgewater in line.

Ethereal3111 votes

Where is this shown or suggested? I haven't even once gotten the concept that it's all just a facade when I've found nothing that would suggest it is.

TzQGRUST391 votes

Look at "The burden" or GP's short story that goes along with his bio.

Lovely Pants1 votes

The serial killer bit is not really original or anything, but I don't know that most people are really making that argument. I think it's more that his in-game aesthetics and audio do such a good job at reinforcing his character that has people excited. Audio especially. There is a lot more emotion in Jhin's performance than what we typically get; his lines hit across a wide range of reflection, pleasure, and rage. The vast majority of League champions are extremely lacking when it comes to showing off the champion's alleged personality no matter how interesting the potential of their lore hints at.

PapaGreg211 votes

I call him Handsome Jhin

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