In what world is Demacia in any way morally grey?

VikForFirstNoble·11/5/2018, 2:16:56 PM·6 votes·3,175 views

At most you have Vayne but she doesn’t count because she is working as judge, jury, executioner outside of the law. Moreover, I don’t mean individual characters but Demacia and Demacian government as a whole

The only reason why they hate mages and magic is because of the rune wars which brought a fricking apocalypse. Demacia was literally created as an answer to this. They were refugees from the tyrannical mage authorities. This is definitely not a stupid reason to hate mages in fact it’s a VERY VERY VERY rational reason to hate magic.
They have charities and help each other in need as confirmed by recent ask riot post. So the whole poor fend for themselves is wrong.
They respect honour and lolyalty towards family and unity. Again how in the world is this a bad thing.

Like I fail to see how Demacia is more morally grey now but I do like to be enlightened

18 Comments

SSmotzer11/5/2018, 2:25:20 PM4 votes

If Rakan walked into Demacia, he would be killed.

Saying it's perfectly rational to oppose magic is like saying it's perfectly rational to oppose Germany of holding any power.

Lux is magic, Galio is magic, Garen is magic, Poppy is destined to be the hero of Demacia and she is magic, etc, etc.

Xenophobic is not a good thing to be.

That and they are a totalitarian religious monarchy... also not great.

YDy2ZkRq0211/5/2018, 5:36:06 PM4 votes

A bunch of people are pointing out the magical thing, but I want to point out some quotes from Fiora's lore:

As the youngest daughter of House Laurent, she was destined for a life as a political pawn, to be married off in the grand game of alliances between patrician houses...

...She declared before the assembled host that she would sooner die than be dishonored by allowing someone else to control her fate. Her husband-to-be was publicly shamed and his family demanded a duel to the death to wipe away Fiora's scandalous insult.

...Presented with so stark a choice, Fiora's father made a decision that would damn his family for years to come. That night, he attempted to drug his opponent with a draught to rob his blows of speed, but his attempt was discovered and the Master of House Laurent was arrested.

Demacian law is notoriously harsh and unforgiving. Its justice allows no leeway, and Fiora's father had broken its most fundamental code of honor. He would suffer public humiliation upon the executioner's scaffold, hanged like a common criminal, and his entire family expelled from Demacia...

An ancient and all but forgotten code of honor allowed for a family member to expunge the shame of one of its number in blood, and thus avoid the virtual death-sentence of exile. Knowing they had no choice, father and daughter faced each other within the Hall of Blades. Justice would not be served by a mere slaying, Fiora's father had to fight and be fought...

Some still speak of her House's disgrace or decry how standards have fallen that a woman should dare call herself ruler of a noble House, but only in private. For when such gossip reaches Fiora's ear, she is quick to call out those rumormongers and demand justice on the edge of a sword...

Tell me, do this really sounds like "morally white" to you?

Chembaron Yamada11/5/2018, 5:08:57 PM3 votes

Some mages in the past being assholes does not mean that you should punish every mage in the future for it who didn't do anything bad.

I am German and yes, Germany did some extremely terrible things in the past. Doesn't mean it is okay for anyone to automatically assume me to be a racist because of my birthplace, that just makes them racists themselves.

This past is no "rational reason to hate mages".

RyuuBloke11/5/2018, 3:17:43 PM2 votes

actually, it's not rational nor moral to hate magic even if the rune wars happened

ZaneShadow11/5/2018, 6:02:24 PM2 votes

When you let caution become fear, you may become scarier than that you once shunned. Or in other words, screwed up to hate on people just cause they got born differently than you, ya know?

Their caution of magic is justified, yes. But allowing caution to fear, and fear to become hate, is where the Demacians enter a moral grey area. I feel like I’m spouting off Yoda speech.

Like the Jedi, their usually the good guys, values of family and friends, freedom for all and avoiding suppressing people. But also like the Jedi, taking their code to a “natural” extreme can twist it into something ugly. For Jedi it was purging emotions and becoming almost robotic killers. For Demacia, it was becoming mage killers, regardless of who the person was.

RyzeTheSmurfMage11/5/2018, 4:52:07 PM1 votes

Because Demacians hate and persecute any mage. They would hate Ryze too for example even if Ryze is the one who tried to stop the Rune Wars.

They respect honour and lolyalty towards family and unity. Again how in the world is this a bad thing.

This is the positive part of Demacia

AugustHeatHaze11/5/2018, 10:45:01 PM1 votes

they aren't really, there are a few criticisms you can make of them but its clear that it is moving towards progress with jarvan IV befriending shyvana and garen and etc.

I think people are just obsessed with the idea that the faction thats presented as the good faction is actually evil and the evil faction is actually so much better, Caesers legion is actually the best faction its a meritocracy!!! except its not and caesers legion is horrible.

Not everything has to be secretly horrible yaknow... demacia is a country that strives to do the best for its people even if it is stumbling on the way to progress.