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[Fiora VU] I feel bad for whichever artist is suffering from the community backlash...

SexyyNappa·7/22/2015, 8:39:47 AM·13 votes·2,924 views

TL;DR: I agree with the community for the most part, but the way we are going about letting our voices be heard is all wrong, no rioter in their right mind is going to discuss anything with us if we do nothing but rage at them and downvote them into oblivion, it accomplishes nothing, all that is will do is make them scared to comment on the subject.

Just think, the rioter who made this work of art probably poured their heart into making that splash art and art design, honestly guys calm down with the hate we all know it's a widely unaccepted change, just think the artist was just like "awww yeah finally done with fiora's art side the community is going to love this" only to have it thrown in their face, come on now guys you could give some constructive criticism and help him/her to better fiora's art standpoint instead of calling all the work he/she poured into it trash.

Now instead of calling it all bad, lets get to what the problems are, first and foremost, most of you are going with the, "she looks like cruella de'vil" standpoint in her new splash and you wouldn't be wrong, however splash arts have been changed before, and this one likely will, its the pbe. Another thing fans of fiora widely don't accept is the fact that they removed her red streak in her hair, which is fairly on point considering they said they wouldn't remove it, fair point. And then we have her in game model, most people are commenting on either A: her ridiculously flamboyant nature of her musketeer skin or B: the ridiculous facial expression she has in game, problem being, you wont even be able to see her face up close in game anyways, however i do agree some tweaks need to be made, particularly her royal guard fiora face... shudders lol. anyways back to the point, just remember that while you are lashing out at riot, there is an artist there who can't better himself while you are calling his new splash art trash.

Any-who, just my two cents, Thoughts, comments? Feel free to share.

Edit: Downvoting without commenting doesn't make for very good discussion, make sure to tell me all about why you disagree so i can have an intelligent conversation with you about why i'm wrong.... or right, whatever lol :P

36 Comments

Dextix LT7/22/2015, 8:49:14 AM14 votes

Dude. He made a piece of work. Any public piece of work is up for critique. There are threads everywhere and comments telling what exactly is wrong.

This sucks. This is not fiora. I dont fcking know what that is.

Many spalshes have changed, but they werent as dreadfull as this one. In those changed splashes you could still see the same champs. When i see fioras spalsh now i dont even recognize who the fck it is.

I do not care how much work or anything he put into this work. It sucks. No matter how much time you spend or how much love you put in, if your work sucks, it just sucks and ppl will tell you that.

Toothless Lion7/22/2015, 8:57:10 AM11 votes

He got paid to make a splash worse than the old school ones.

SEKAI7/22/2015, 9:05:57 AM8 votes

The problem is that the artist decided to REMAKE the original splash art that somehow ends up being objectively and subjective worse than what we had before, which is made even worse by the fact they are easily comparable as you just put them side by side.

So yer.

But really, any work is a subject to criticism to different degrees, we don't want to be the guys behind Day One: Garry's Incident or the people who made The Slaughtering Ground.

EDIT: a similar incident happened with Tristana before, which to this very day, I still believe her second last splash is still the best version we've ever had.

ForPortal7/22/2015, 8:57:32 AM8 votes

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...come on now guys you could give some constructive criticism and help him/her to better fiora's art standpoint instead of calling all the work he/she poured into it trash.

But that is constructive criticism in this case. We already have good Fiora splash art and a good Fiora in-game model - all Riot needs to do is not throw it out in favour of art and models that 84% of the player base think is worse. You can try to wrap it up in nicer words but at some point the only constructive answer to "How do I do this thing (that I really shouldn't be doing)?" is "Don't."

The Anagram King7/22/2015, 9:03:37 AM5 votes

It wasn't just one artist. There would be people conceptualising and choosing from among a bunch of different designs. I kind've feel for the guy/girl getting their art torn down by the community, but it wouldn't just be them. Someone made the decisions, outlined the concept and pulled the trigger. And it feels... off.

I'm actually relieved others dislike the artwork/model. I'm not a fan of most've it, and am only too happy to encourage Riot to take another shot.

Because what we've got right now... it isn't Fiora.

I'd also whine about her new ult, were it not likely to be buried in the torrent of community backlash regarding her visuals. :P

NemeBro7/22/2015, 9:20:57 AM5 votes

I do agree that people should phrase their criticisms in ways that aren't directly insulting (like the whole "this is like if a less talented artist did Fiora's old splash" thread), but really... yeah, frankly the most constructive thing I can say about the VU is "don't".

It was neither needed nor wanted.

I am aware that this won't happen, which sucks, and yeah I will tell Riot that they fucked up big with it. I've already messaged a Rioter about how one way of improving the new splash art is by simply, idk, making it look more like the concept art:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/sites/default/files/styles/scale_xlarge/public/upload/fu-banner.jpg?itok=S2TGxqzD

I still don't think she needed a VU at all, but that alone would solve a lot of the community's problems with the new design, since everything changed could be nothing more than the result of a change of clothes, a haircut, and new hair dye. She still looks fairly similar to the old Fiora.

And yeah, the current models are bad. I'll be very disappointed if they hit live.

But really, this VU just shouldn't have happened. There was never any community outcry for a VU for Fiora, as opposed to champions like Taric or Mordekaiser.

Wyrmblade7/22/2015, 7:46:05 PM3 votes

I really don't pity them. I don't know how the hell this downgrade managed to make it through without a single person speaking up and pointing out that she doesn't look anything like the Fiora people have been playing for years.

And honestly, I think if we go soft on this thing, they're gonna half ass fixing it and we'll be stuck with this hideous abomination pretending to be Fiora forever.

Craft Zeppelin7/22/2015, 10:11:11 AM2 votes

actually the artist failed in making the tristana and katarina splash arts. He gets bombarded with critisism and insults every time he releases his artwork and always seems to be requested to update the art by the whole commune.

...whats up with the chins seriously i aint fetish in that direction.

deceptopus7/22/2015, 12:25:12 PM2 votes

What will being diplomatic in this situation accomplish though? Riot's extremely reluctant to react to the playerbase's complaints these days. They've frequently just said "deal with it" when making controversial decisions, and when they have ceded to their customer's desires, it's always been halfheartedly, making only minor token changes. That's not what Fiora needs right now. SO MUCH is SO WRONG with her update, that Riot NEEDS to hear an appropriately loud uproar, or they'll just push it through and hope players forget about it like all the other things they've done.

A minor edit to her new splash art is not a reasonable solution when it leaves her in game model a catastrophe and all her skins in an unacceptable state. People have paid as much as 40 dollars for fiora and all her skins, even more if you calculate the time investment it takes to unlock a champion instead of outright buying them. Riot may not have a legal obligation to those people, as I'm sure there's some legal fine print in the ToS that declares that you don't actually own any of the things you pay riot for, but they do have an ethical obligation. People pay in money and time, they put their trust in riot and support them in good faith, fine print doesn't change that fact.

Knight Auditor7/22/2015, 1:42:33 PM2 votes

It'd be really nice if we didn't feel inspired to hyperbole in this instance, but you have to understand that it's a trained response after years of Riot doing unpopular things, ignoring the community either out of believing in the illusion of their rightness or simple disinterest in putting out the best product, and then us having to live with that decision until we eventually move on to another game. Riot is slow as hell, whatever they do now is going to be what we have to deal with until this game dies.

It's the way they roll out changes. They can't handle criticism and they struggle enough with indecisiveness already that they decided some time ago that they were just done with listening meaningfully to community feedback on anything major. In a couple weeks they're going to drop this on us, one way or another, and the most they'll do in the hopes of getting us to shut up a bit will be 'tweaks'.

See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

R1107/22/2015, 1:46:27 PM1 votes

Another thing fans of fiora widely don't accept is the fact that they removed her red streak in her hair, which is fairly on point considering they said they wouldn't remove it

They never said that. Tbh I never knew that she had a red streak in her hair, never noticed it ingame. Not that I see that many Fiora's nor do I play her. Personally I'm not a fan of the splashart but at least there are more different shapes of faces for champions. Oh well, champion diversity on the art side :)

Meddler quote:

 Last I saw the folks working on Fiora were playing around with different ways of doing a streak, or streaks, of colour in Fiora's hair. Can't make any guarantees until stuff's done of course, seemed to be thinking in a pretty similar space to her current look though.

In terms of overall art changes also worth clarifying Fiora won't be a complete overhaul. New visual effects and animations where needed for kit changes for example, and some general polish work, but we're talking moderate scope changes, rather than everything being redone."

IronStylus quote:

"Oh it's emphasized. The color had to be tweaked a little away from red just slightly to more pink since the red was almost the same value as her hair. Wanted to get it slightly more prominent."

Shénzhì7/22/2015, 7:48:19 PM1 votes

Upgrade*

TheGrandAlliance7/23/2015, 5:06:41 AM1 votes

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TL;DR: I agree with the community for the most part, but the way we are going about letting our voices be heard is all wrong, no rioter in their right mind is going to discuss anything with us if we do nothing but rage at them and downvote them into oblivion, it accomplishes nothing, all that is will do is make them scared to comment on the subject.

LoL what do you think this is? A Charity? Is LoL really F2P?...

If they cannot handle defeat they need to find another line of work... perhaps giving food out to the poor or something. This a MOBA... the heat of PvP combat(pvp.net)... there is no room for losers... be it Players OR developers.