Armor vs. Boobs

Gaminon·10/22/2014, 6:04:05 AM·53 votes·10,304 views

Things like this sadden me because they just damage the already poor image of games held by many people who don't play them. In the end, all we're doing is hurting ourselves and the game that we love.

But are we asking for it with the art in League? Well, let's look at why Riot might put splashes like this in their game, lack of armor and all.

Character Design is a Thing

Part of having a league of 100+ champs is that they have to each be distinct and unique. If you were to cover every champ in fully functional, protective armor, you'd end up with the 100+ Mordekaisers slugging it out.

Eve dresses like a dominatrix because she's basically a half step down from a succubus. Shaco doesn't wear armor because he's a psychotic demon jester, not a psychotic demon knight. Veigar is, well... he's a final fantasy black mage with a height complex and a wardrobe change, and black mages wear robes and have pointy hats. If you covered all those characters in a layer of steel because what they're wearing wouldn't protect them, those characters' themes would be destroyed, and League would be a worse game for it.

You're 500 Feet in the Air

The issue of character design is compounded when you think about perspective. As a player, you're basically floating 500 feet above the battlefield. Most details are not visible at that height.

For weapons to be distinct, they have to be gigantic (see: Riven). In order for female champs to appear female, they have to be petite, busty, or have long hair (or if that female character is in full armor (Kayle), she has to have decidedly anti-functional boob armor). In order for male champs to appear male, they need ridiculous muscle definition or five foot wide shoulders.

So since the splash art and the game model are supposed to match, the splash art needs to be exaggerated because of the requirements of the game models.

Larger Than Life

But really, we all know that the true reason for the busty, bootylicious splash art is that sex sells, right? Well yeah, there's no arguing that sex DOES sell, but let's look closer. League of Legends is a game about... well, legends. Characters that are larger than life.

In "real" life, physical traits that lend themselves to combat are not typically attractive in the feminine sense. If you want an example of a fantasy female warrior who is more constrained by these "real world" limitations, go look at Brienne of Tarth. However, when you want to make a female warrior who's larger than life, what better way to do so than to make them a deadly fighter AND attractive? This combination immediately pushes them into the extraordinary category, even when you're already working in a fantasy world.

And before you cry "stereotypes" and "misogyny", realize that Riot does the exact same thing with their masculine characters. Ryze has a physique that makes most professional athletes look like wimps. Brand has muscles where I'm pretty sure the human body doesn't even have muscles. Mad Scientist Singed has pectorals four times the size of his own head.

These champs are mages and scientists. Typically those types of characters are brainy but weak. But remember Ryze running from Nocturne in A Twist of Fate? Instead of making Ryze a dusty old man who hasn't gotten out in years, Riot made him into a parkour-ing, tough as nails badass. Oh yeah, and he can melt your face off with magic. It's almost like he belongs in some sort of LEAGUE for people who are LEGENDS or something...

So with both male and female champs, Riot adds physical traits (like beauty or raw physicality) to the characters to make them really stand out as someone incredible.

Wrapping it Up

It's easy to glance at splash art and roll your eyes because "omg Rito just loves the bewbs", but before you start complaining or pointing fingers at the game, think over the goals and constraints tied to the creation of splash art and really try to figure out what will make League the best game it can be.

116 Comments

Legacy of Xion10/22/2014, 6:18:37 AM18 votes

Morgana dresses like that because of magic. Really, she needs mobility and stuff. Not clunky armor. She throws magic and has a magic shield.

Theres a reason Veigar is dressed as such...why Lux (usually) has not so clunky armor outfit or why, say, Ryze is HALF NAKED. Mages use mobility and long range - and sometimes armor screws up both.

Plus Morgana flies. But its a bikini top on a woman, OH THE HUMANITY!

/whatever this post ism

The Red Warden10/22/2014, 11:18:51 AM16 votes

A hundred Mordekaiser's running around would be hillarious, what you saying?

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12tales10/22/2014, 2:32:46 PM14 votes

Part of having a league of 100+ champs is that they have to each be distinct and unique. If you were to cover every champ in fully functional, protective armor, you'd end up with the 100+ Mordekaisers slugging it out.

I don't think I've ever heard someone complaining that Ahri or Evelynn are too sexy. I have no great objection to tits and ass in situations where they're thematically appropriate.

The only time I've taken issue with egregious cleavage and such is in situations where it doesn't make thematic sense. Kayle is (was) a divine adjudicator who sacrificed a thousand years of her life in service to her people. I wouldn't expect her as a character to pay much attention to her appearance or be overly concerned with how people perceive her gender, and thus dislike that she's now displayed as wearing armor that is exclusively useful for doing those two things.

For weapons to be distinct, they have to be gigantic (see: Riven). In order for female champs to appear female, they have to be petite, busty, or have long hair (or if that female character is in full armor (Kayle), she has to have decidedly anti-functional boob armor). In order for male champs to appear male, they need ridiculous muscle definition or five foot wide shoulders.

I'd like to point out that Kayle doesn't actually have boob plates in game - the addition of them to the splash art is both a weird decision from a narrative perspective and contradictory to her actual model.

cshakes10/22/2014, 2:11:53 PM12 votes

One question I'd like for everyone to think about: Do we really need to know whether a character is male or female?

If you thought, "No, not really", then characters don't need heels-boobplate-cleavage / huge shoulder pads of doom etc.

If you thought, "Yeah, I wanna know that": Voice-overs :P

Yes, voice-overs. If that's not enough for you, well, there are things where Riot can sexually differentiate that are not sexualization and muscularization. Women can have boobs, sure. The thing is, they don't need to be prominently displayed with boobplate and cleavage. They can be there, visible, with the armor bending forwards to visually tell of their existence. With the lightly-armored women, they can just rely on people picking up that it's a woman. Women and men can have different body structures: slightly wider hips for women and slightly wider shoulders for men. There should still be variation in body type, though: Vi should have wider shoulders than Lux, and Tryndamere should have wider shoulders than Twisted Fate. There's a lot of tweaking to be done with body shape and gait (wider hips = different arcs of motion). Women can get to have their long hair.

Vayne doesn't have much exposed skin. You lot still probably figured out her gender quickly enough, even though she's named after Bruce Wayne.

Adrenalotr10/22/2014, 7:17:32 PM9 votes

I thought this was on how boob armor would guide blows towards the center of the body rather than deflect them. I'm no expert, but it's been brought up in a lot of places.

Example of bad boob armor: Battleborn Kayle, Leona default, Sejuani, Vi, Lux default.

Examples of better boob armor: Iron Solari Leona (lower stomach vulnerability to horizontal blows notwithstanding), Defender Leona. I found only these two good examples in the female champions' splashes.

There are many champions who were partial (and thus only partially effective) armor, and many who seem to use it more for aesthetics than for actual defense. I can think of no sensible reason to have a boob window in your armor. Of course, there's no sensible reason to not wear helmets, either. We can give some leeway for making character identifiable and relatable by exposing their heads, even if it's unrealistic. Maybe we should give partial armor that same leeway? Sure.

But boob armor is dangerous. The armor could kill the wearer. We can still have attractive women in armor.

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But no, this thread is about visual appeal.

I like Leona. She has visual appeal, and she hasn't been sexualized like many of the other female characters... yet she's unmistakably female. I like Kayle too. And Vi. And Sej. And Diana. All of which aren't particularly sexualized, yet unmistakably female.

We've got champs like Karma, Liss, and Quinn, who aren't sexualized, but still fit into this game. Yet we have excessively sexualized characters, and tons of sexualized skins for them too. There are times when the loading screen looks less like a game and more like... something else.

Sexualized design has a place in the game when it can communicate character. Sometimes it does. I can see this being suitable for MF and Morgana, to an extent Fiora and Ahri. But what's the deal with the Frost Archer's stripperific outfit? Did Kat not realize she's outgrown her little jacket? What does Cait's skirt length communicate about her?

Half the female human-ish characters could get non-sexualized outfits and designs and still have their character communicated just fine. The other half benefits from it. Syndra, Nidalee, Cass; it works for them. Ashe, Cait, Sivir, Irelia; no reason to sexualize them.

Also, there is no pants item in the shop.

Dotintheparadox10/22/2014, 7:00:28 PM8 votes

Considering this game has Braum Draven Varus Yasuo Ryze Tryndamere Pantheon (x4 for his other skins) anybody using a game like League to complain about this stuff, hasn't really done their research. The only complaint I have for Morg is that her design feel lazy, if she had something like full-body tattoos I wouldn't even have that complaint.

"But, women are not sexual objects!" Shut up, yeah, they aren't, but we have sexualized characters, in every single era of human history, so what? It doesn't mean that's you. It's all just ego ridden bullshit when it comes down to it, and video games make a good target for frustration when there's nothing else to blame. This isn't a good medium to blame for those issues, if you want to blame someone blame the countless advertising agencies out to make you feel like shit, so you feel the need to buy a product that won't make you feel like shit.

If you're trying to get across a legitimately good message, like proper body image issues, then using a blatantly characterized, cartoonish game is just stupid. If you want something to complain about, complain about the lack of female character development in the lore right now, as there has been none so far beyond, one's a treasure hunter, one's a bitchy noble women... Together, THEY FIGHT CRIME... I'm sooo sorry for that one.

5G8Nri0B5410/22/2014, 7:22:11 PM8 votes

THANK YOU for making this thread. Some people really could have some common sense injected into them.

To comment further...

http://i.imgur.com/0zG9gHx.jpg

Whoever made that thinks Morgana is wearing armour...that clearly non-metallic bra is armour to them. Not to mention the very idea of a mage kinda makes wearing armour impractical. It's like asking for Robin Hood to wear a clunky green armour instead of his green man-tights.

And before you cry "stereotypes" and "misogyny", realize that Riot does the exact same thing with their masculine characters. Ryze has a physique that makes most professional athletes look like wimps. Brand has muscles where I'm pretty sure the human body doesn't even have muscles. Mad Scientist Singed has pectorals four times the size of his own head.

As a part-time worker of a small bookstore, this idea that only women are sexualized but men are not is hilarious to me. If there is one thing moms and teenaged girls pretending to the grocery for their mom likes more than anything else, it's soft-core manservice.

http://victoriapaigebooks.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/gentle_rogue.jpg http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1342376494l/1731408.jpg https://lifetakeslemons.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/bodice-ripper.jpg http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1401762970l/22395506.jpg http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1411658659l/4643161.jpg

Now if ANYONE dares to bring up the "but that's male power-fantasy" crap, may I remind you, the only people buying these are moms and teen girls, not your "immature sex-obsessed 12-year old"

Thunder Dreamss10/22/2014, 4:20:33 PM7 votes

It's easy to glance at splash art and roll your eyes because "omg Rito just loves the bewbs", but before you start complaining or pointing fingers at the game, think over the goals and constraints tied to the creation of splash art and really try to figure out what will make League the best game it can be.

The problem you face is that different people have different ideas of what "the best game League can be" is. You might think that League is best if most female characters have obvious breasts and plenty of cleavage but I think the game would be best if most female characters were presented as warriors first with top tier human musculature and, when they have armor, proper non-bewb armor.

I actually really like the art for Jinx because she shows that Riot can make a female character that shows allot of skin without being sexualized. I just wish Riot would move in that direction with other champions.

GreenLore10/22/2014, 5:13:02 PM6 votes

Overall I'd go for armor. I mean I don't want to say that everyone should run around like Mordekaiser,that would be insane. And I think a stripperiffic outfit IS a good thing on some champs,like Evelynn,Miss Fortune,Ahri,etc. becuase these champs are meant to be sexy,it is part of their character. Then there are some champs who benefit from the stripperiffic outfit in a way that adds to their whole concept. Sivir wouldn't resemble Xena that much anymore if she wore more armor,jinx wouldn't resemble tank girl that much if she wore more.

So yeah there are cases where the lack of armor is actually benefitting for the champ. However that doesn't excuse every champion from wearing stuff like that.There is really no point in letting Morgana run around with a Metal bra except for fanservice and that is more of a problem. Some champs should wear more(doesn't have to be armor,but at least some clothes)

In fact you talked about the diversity of the clothes among female champions,but stuff like this actually hurts the diversity,because they leave out the chance to add a unique style to a character and instead go for just a bra as a top,which is not unique at all,considering that it has already been done by other champs.

Winged Hussars10/24/2014, 3:25:06 PM5 votes

Speaking from a female persepective, to me Kayle looks incredibly badass in her new splash art, and it's not like male armor doesn't have vaguely sexual ostentation upon it occasionally. Like Woad King Darius immense belt buckle. Kassadin's twin spikes straight out of his groin. Mordekaiser's oversized codpiece. (It's pretty big, even though they got rid of the hilarious one Lord Mordekaiser used to have.)

Think about it like this. Wide shoulders are indicative of masculinity. Should Darius' titanic pauldrons be removed because they are an overt display of his masculinity? Or maybe there is nothing wrong with displaiyng masculinity/femininity as long as it is suggestive, and not giant flopping sexual organs.

TenSlashTen10/22/2014, 5:48:19 PM5 votes

it all looks fine to me I don't find anything in league unappealing. I even think yorick is badass.

we need a monster female imo. All the void monsters are male for some reason. idky monsters have to usually be male in most games (VA/VO speaking that is)

MEo5oS5scM10/22/2014, 6:10:26 PM2 votes

She's a fallen angel. She protects herself with dark magic, not clothing.

Ahri? She's a hor living off life essence.

Nidalee? She's COMPLETELY naked in cougar form, I doubt a cat will feel ashamed if transformed to human.

Zyra? She's a plant.

Snake lady? She can't find cloths fitting her snake body.

Caitlyn? Blame Piltover fashion.

MF? She's a pirate, she'll fuck who ever she wishes then kill him.