Riot: Please change Order of the Lotus back.

Jared Wolf·3/20/2018, 6:53:36 PM·11 votes·2,300 views
Gyazo

It is so ugly now. Why does she have giant Disney eyes now? I understand that Ionia pulls references from Greece, but the culture, architecture and characters. All of which is asian. Akali, Shen, Zed, Yasuo, Ahri, Kennen, Lee Sin, Master Yi, Kayn, and Wukong. These are most of the Ionian characters in League of Legends, and they are all to some extent ASIAN themed.

Akali, Shen, Yasuo, Master Yi, Zed, Kennen, Lee Sin = Ninja/Samurai/Martial Artist = Asian Ahri and Wukong = Asian Mythology Kayn = Well he just looks asian.

Asians have a very stylized look among all of the different parts of Asia. And many say Greek have larger eyes and thicker eyebrows and eye lashes. (Obviously this is extremely dependent purely on each and every individual.) It seems only the naming convention for Ionia is referencing greece.

So why is it that you're giving Irelia Larger eyes now? All of her pre-rework skins looked Ethnically correct. But now for the reworked skins (Disclaimer, I still love you all for your work, much respect)

Default = Looks Ethnically correct, to a degree (I saw many people say she looks like Megan Fox.) Night Blade = Looks ethnically correct (And completely bad ass, female Zed 2.0, but I'm sad the sexy outfit is gone) Aviator = Okay I won't lie just to keep my point valid. Its f----ing cute. And looks like a western anime attempt. (Good job on making a skin no one liked into something cute, but still why are her eyes the size of Clementines? ) Infiltrator = Ionian D.va? Her headpiece looks like large headphones, and all the blue/black and purple doesn't help. (But I love the skin, and the face and outfit are Ethnically appropriate. ) Frost blade = Probably the most loved and memed on skin for Irelia. You for sure emphasized on what the community kept asking for. The hair looks okay, the armor looks decent, The face though.. She looks like a high polished Disney female villain. Order of the Lotus = Now for the main complaint. Which you can see from the included photo. She looks like a Girly Pink makeup kim kardashian. Why did you change Order of the Lotus? Cool her armor dress is pink and sparkly now. But that face, is just NO. NO GOD PLZ NO. She went from an Elegant woman, which you describe her as, to the opposite.

I know this is super rant-like post. And I know we JUST got her skin splash arts released. But thats the best time to mention it.

I attached a link to a quick crop of the faces. (I still prefer the old outfit too, but if I had to pick 1 change, it'd be the eyes. The eyes across all her skins and in game model.)

My closing remark, did you hire someone from Disney to do your female art? Zoe All that aside, thank you Riot, for the rework, the information, the game itself, and all the years I've spent reading my in game chat laughing at all the toxic people left and right. <3 Keep up the good work, and change her splash art back, thanks.

20 Comments

Ahristocats3/20/2018, 7:01:24 PM5 votes

THANK YOU BROTHER! i made a similar post and got downvoted

god blesses us

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO3/20/2018, 7:19:47 PM5 votes

This is ridiculous. Ionia isn’t Asia. Just because there’s Eastern cultural influences in no way means they have to design every character to fit your superficial world view.

o brigid o3/20/2018, 7:28:56 PM4 votes

Sorry I like seeing Riot finally start to give female faces some character instead of making them look super generic and undefinable without their hair. I love that her nose and eyes especially are distinct now. I think it looks better than the old one.

Ganondorf3/25/2018, 5:48:54 PM3 votes

I was very concerned about the same thing and not many ppl seemed to be bothered by that.
So guys, let's review all this stuff calmly ok. summoner 13 Ionia has a heavy cultural background linked to Asian culture. I mean, there's this stuff about Greece, but it's nowhere to be found on any character or structure from Ionia, like, not at all. Everything around is Asian looking, from names to culture. (martial arts, setting, clothes, people, etc etc…) If there's cultural background linked to Greece in the LoL universe it's only on Mt. Targon.. Let’s set some things clear, beginning with the quality of art. Let it be real clear. It's simply beautiful and that's totally not the point here. But I’ll come back to it later. The most important thing here is ethnicity. Irelia is a great warrior and a proud Guard Captain. Ionia is written all over her body and personality . And there, she's not so Asian looking. What does it mean ? Be careful, I didn't say she's ugly. She's a beautiful woman. Why saying this ? If we bring smt about appearance, and here about ethnicity, ppl tend to think that because we think it's inappropriate it means she's ugly. See what I mean ? So, the point is that she is supposed to look Asian, and she doesn't... Is this supposed to be a real problem ? Non-Asian ppl cannot be part of Ionia ? Why "Asia" while it doesn't exist in the LoL universe ? So many questions, right. It does, in fact, matter. It's about ethnicity and representation. It has to be consistent. How many girls in there are actually "asian" ? From Ionia, we have : Akali, Irelia, Sona, Karma, Syndra. To this, we can add Ahri and Xayah, but they are Vastayan. There's also Soraka, but it's a special case. So, among them, how many are asian looking ? Well... It's kind of inconsistent in fact, even worse if we add skins to the list. Akali is the only one to be spared by that... hmmm actually, Nurse Akali is borderline not so asian. She's next on the VGU list, we'll see. Something tells me that it won't be so different from what is happening there... Characters with their skins is the best way to see who they are and we should be able to recognize them by their facial features. A lot of things have to be taken into account. The artist, the theme, the character etc. Old splashart, new splashart, old skins, new skins. It's hard to keep in line how it should be done, and VGU with splasharts update is the opportunity to set things. For instance, Sona. On some, you could tell she's kinda asian looking and on some others not. This is due to the things listed up there. So, for Irelia, as she got her VGU, why would you change her into a non-asian character while there's a few of them and that Riot already struggle to represent diverse characters ? We have 49 female characters and nearly half of them are white looking girls. The other half is monsters, creatures and a few girls from here and there that are non-white. And now we got this. An opportunity to affirm looks and diversity but instead we get Megan Fox. Just before Irelia VGU, we got Kai'sa. A shuriman girl. But guess what, she looks like Scarlett Johansson. What are the other girls from there ? Taliyah, Sivir and maybe Nidalee, since she's from the Kumungu jungle just below the Shurima desert. All three of them are actually Middle East looking. Why is Kai'Sa like this then ? Her skin is white because of Void light, but it doesn't explain why she has no Shuriman (Middle East) features.

That's the problem here. For diversity you need to take care about those features that define people. You can't claim that she is now different and it helps diversity... Guys...

Just look. Here we have Irelia Frostblade prior to the VGU. https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/12/7/1521997041-frostblade-irelia.jpg

And here, the new Frostblade. THIS is more unique ? https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/12/7/1521997192-irelia-frost.jpg

Aviator is cute, but... here. It's not even like Irelia. Change the color and there it is, the same. https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/12/7/1521997430-splashlux.jpg

So what ? You can't deny that there's a problem. Well, actually a lot, but still. She was more asian before and now she is just victim from "Same Face". Quality of art is undeniably better, but it seems that the artist is kinda unable to draw something else apart from beautiful Holywood white women. Some people are satisfied with this, because, well, they are gorgeous and nothing else matter. But since Riot is determined to provide us with a high quality universe, they should be careful about that kind of stuff. Asia doesn't exist but Ionia is clearly an equivalent representation of it. Same for the Freljord and its heavy Scandinavian cultural background. Piltover and Zaun are an equivalence of the Victorian cultural influence. Shurima and its heavy Egyptian aspect. So on and so forth... Ionia is "asian". Xin Zhao, Master Yi, Jhin, Lee Sin, Yasuo, Shen etc etc. You just can't say it's a coincidence at this point...

I love this VGU and Irelia is one of the best champion with an awesome background. Representation and the overall consistency of the LoL universe deserve to be respected. Irelia should look asian. Many of you seem to get the point and you're kinda for diversity, agreeing on the fact that we need to distinguish each character from one another ... but at the same time you seem to miss the point.

I'd like to see Riot being more careful about this because they are doing an excellent job lately on the LoL universe and things shouldn't be made mindlessly on this side.

Killaburn3/20/2018, 7:14:10 PM3 votes

i'm now used to the new face so, its not that bad imo. She doesn't look anymore so i think the new splash is accurate but i'll miss her asian look though.

Ebonmaw Dragon3/25/2018, 6:07:57 PM2 votes

Well, Kayn is from Noxus, so, considering that he shouldnt look Asian according to you because only the champs from Ionia must be asians.

Binding Eclipse10/8/2018, 10:28:59 PM1 votes

I'm just wondering why her nose got twice as long.

She been lyin'.

Xeneth3/20/2018, 9:37:33 PM1 votes

No comment on the change/difference in facial expression, but from a pure artistic painting technique standpoint the new splash is WAY more beautiful than the old one in my opinion...

Mcsquzzy3/23/2018, 9:06:56 PM1 votes

I am more upset about the tiara added, don't know why but it feels off

Lercio e cafone 10/8/2018, 10:25:39 PM1 votes

Not interested if her traits are Asian or not. The new one is ugly. She has horrible eyes, pig nose and terrible eyebrow(the worst part)