Anyone else find it stupid that Yasuo kills his pursuers?

Knalxz·Apr 29, 2016·2 votes·1,527 views

I know he's trying to prove he's innocent but it's kind of hard to do that when he's killed scores of people. What happens when he does catch the real murder and everyone finds out he wasn't lying, will the deaths of all the people sent after him be swept under the rug?

He's murdered dozens to say that he didn't murder one. Seems redundant.

Has he even made an attempt to say that he's innocent? I don&'t think Yasuo is the good guy here, I think he's just found an excuse to kill.

Teaching a swordsman to kill is simple. The true challenge lies in teaching him not to kill.

33 Comments

AdaloreApr 29, 20164 votes

It is pretty set that he has no grounds to say he is Innocent to the pursuers, plus it isn't the pursuers' position to decide if the target is on the "Kill on sight" list.

I can only figure that this was early in Yasuo's being chased situation because very quickly the death toll on "Common man" level of bounty hunters would a large sum. This would make most people consider him too dangerous to fight.

For example the city guard and everyone could know where he was but don't dare to fight him once he comes overtly infamous.

KnalxzApr 29, 20161 votes

Remember Yauso's first three assassin were people he knew, this has to be somewhat late into the hunt since a man did notice him despite Yasuo living in a village most of his life. The only way he could possibly notice him is if he was either a member of the village or aware of the bounty. Not to mention that the Guards actions seem to show they'd been tipped off, so people are very aware of him.

Yasuo also controls the wind, I'm sure he has multiple non-lethal means of defeating someone. Hell the Crossbow and Long Bow couldn't even really do anything to him since we know he can instantly stop attacks with his wind wall and he has a wind shield around himself.

He wasn't even threatened and he killed a squad of men even killed the wounded captain.

PyrodiniumApr 29, 20161 votes

I think you touch upon the primary reason yourself:

Teaching a swordsman to kill is simple. The true challenge lies in teaching him not to kill.

Yasuo lived his life obsessed on becoming the best swordsman. It may be that he simply can't fight in a way that is not lethal.

Remember that a lot of Yasuo's thematic elements come from the popular image of the samurai (in particular of the wandering, disgraced one), and those tropes primaly deal with the inability of the characters to avoid violence, death and tragedy. Yasuo even comments on this on his selection quote: "Death is like the wind; always by my side".

KnalxzMay 1, 20161 votes

The difference between Yasuo and the disgraced Samurai tales is that h those warriors actions is what lead to them being disgraced, Yasuo's actions aren't what lead him to this point...sort of.

He's being framed, he didn't go off the bar or betray his people, his disgrace isn't his own it's just blame. He has little reason to make other think it was him by killing every threat he comes in contact with.

Even in real life wars people don't kill all of their foes because at times it's best not to for multiple reasons mostly information and a show of honor. I.E WWII.

Only those who kill everyone are said to be monsters.

101100111000Apr 29, 20163 votes

It's not exactly do unto others before they do unto him, but rather killing is his only way out. It's a problem because he obviously has no intention of fighting them, but those that are sent to kill him have to do it or be ostracized/killed if they return without his head. So the pursuers are in a position where if they don't kill him, they should probably just never show their faces in Ionia ever again for having disgraced their nation.

KnalxzApr 29, 20161 votes

I don't think the Ionian leadership is in such a great position that they're killing their own assassins, seems equally as redundant as Yasuo killing his pursuers.

Not to mention they could just send Jhin after him if they really wanted him dead.

He seems perfectly capable of disarming or atleast informing is attackers of his innocents but chooses to kill them. Like the Guard Captain. The man the wounded and Yasuo struck him down. Doesn't seem a like a good way to convey that you're the victim.

101100111000Apr 29, 20161 votes

The thing is, incapacitating any pursuers/assassins/etc. accomplishes nothing but leave those to be punished by Ionia's Council for failing their mission. There is literally no reason for anyone hired to kill Yasuo to actually stop chasing him, even if they lose track of him. They'll just keep going until they're dead or Yasuo is.

KnalxzApr 29, 20161 votes

Again why do you think Ionai a place of peaceful monks is so cruel?

if Jhin a mass murderer just got jail time and freed because he's a good killer why do you think these other guys would get killed for their failure?

101100111000Apr 29, 20161 votes

Because Ionia's government is actually corrupt, which is why they're using a mass murderer? Because he's good at killing people?

I mean c'mon, if it isn't bad enough Yasuo's getting hunted down relentlessly, you think the government releasing a mass murderer to do their dirty work is benevolent?

KnalxzMay 1, 20161 votes

That's a move out of desperation for troops not to kill their own.

The Guards aren't in cahoots with government conspiracies, they were just workers.

PyrodiniumApr 29, 20161 votes

Why do you think a nation full to the brim with tremendously deadly martial arts schools is a place of "peaceful monks"?

Ionia draws a lot of parallels to ancient Asia, and that place was just as violent and brutal as medieval Europe.

KnalxzMay 1, 20161 votes

Because Ionia is a peaceful nation. When Noxus invaded Ionia didn't deploy it's army because it doesn't have one. Those who fought against Noxus were known as rebels. Demacai sent in their troops because they knew Ionians didn't fight wars and tried to save them while Noxus invaded for the same reason. Why not take the free land?

RalanrApr 29, 20163 votes

Because of the noxian invasion, everyone is on a bit of an edge. Yasuo is believed too dangerous to be brought to trial, so they'll kill him on the spot.

KnalxzApr 29, 20161 votes

Actually this is a good point but then again why would he seek to prove himself innocent if regardless he's dead?

RalanrApr 29, 20163 votes

Probably an honor thing.

l Helios lApr 29, 20161 votes

It is an honor thing. Yasuo can at least find redemption in holding the person responsible for the elder's death responsible. If it means nothing to anyone else, it means something to him.

GreenLoreApr 29, 20161 votes

I think his lore mentions that he wants to kill the killer because he knows that the crime will otherwise go unpunished.

And well like Ralanr said,it's likely an honor thing as well.

Icestar1186Apr 29, 20162 votes

They're not there to arrest him. They're there to kill him. The way he sees it, his only option is to do unto others before they do unto him, so to speak. And a sword isn't exactly nonlethal.

KnalxzApr 29, 20161 votes

He's far to great of a swordsman to not be able to disarm someone without killing them or literally disarming them. He also has control over the wind which i'm sure has many ways on non-lethally taking down foes.

He could atleast tell them he's innocent but he just jumps right into the thick of combat without so much of a warning. An example is his login screen. He obviously knows the ninjas are near but instead of telling them off he just cuts theme all down.

Even the guards in the new champions lore the captain was separated from the group and wounded and Yasuo went in for the kill. he could of easily left but choose to strike him down.

I understand if his blade was forced but again he just killed the guy.

Valaran NaraApr 29, 20162 votes

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He's far to great of a swordsman to not be able to disarm someone without killing them or literally disarming them. He also has control over the wind which i'm sure has many ways on non-lethally taking down foes.

He could atleast tell them he's innocent but he just jumps right into the thick of combat without so much of a warning. An example is his login screen. He obviously knows the ninjas are near but instead of telling them off he just cuts theme all down.

Even the guards in the new champions lore the captain was separated from the group and wounded and Yasuo went in for the kill. he could of easily left but choose to strike him down.

I understand if his blade was forced but again he just killed the guy.

Here's the thing...Yasuo is a samurai.

A warrior whose occupation and way of life has bloodshed as part of the job description.

Let's forget the thought of him killing them, so they won't kill him. Most warriors of that nature are not taught to fight in order to keep the enemy at bay. They are taught to kill. If your style is meant to shed blood, but you try to keep them alive, that means you're putting in extra effort. When you're in a life or death situation, letting the other guy live may mean your life in the end. Not only that, but if the people after him are in an occupation where killing is part of the job description, then they are ready to die just like anyone else. They know the dnagers of their work. Yasuo just happens to portray the risk.

KnalxzApr 29, 20162 votes

The man has two shields, his wind wall and his personal air barrier. Not to mention he's trying to prove his own innocence, how does killing more people help do that?

just because you're taught to kill doesn't mean you're incapable of mercy or logic. In the end if Yauso does prove he innocent he will of still killed all the people sent after him making his efforts useless. no matter what he's a murder.

Valaran NaraApr 29, 20162 votes

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I never argued that he shouldn't kill them. I just argued why he would. Not only that, but there's also one other thing: how long has he been on the run?

We can always look at it on the outside, right? You could let this person live. You could do it this way or do things that way. Congratulations, you let one person live. While you're walking away, they stab you in the back. You can speak of his windwall, sure, but he's still fighting you. He happens to have one defensive technique to secure the safety of his life.

Also, there may be a point in his life when he's not trying to prove his innocence to others. He's possibly looking for answers. That's all he wants. He already fought (and most likely killed) the people he once called brothers just to protect himself. And if we're speaking of people Yasuo once trained with, showing them mercy is NOT logical. The mercy they show you is not letting you live. It is giving you a quick death with as little pain as possible. Because they like you. Because they respected you at one point. Because they are ordered to kill you for the sake of honor to the man they believe you murdered.

So, once again, Yasuo is looking for answers. Proving his innocence is good and all, but he knows that there are things you cannot undo. He does not expect to be forgiven of killing all those men sent to kill him. He expects for his name to be cleared of that one death, so when he disappears, he won't be hunted down for THAT specific crime. I am also assuming he's looking for revenge against the person who framed him.

KnalxzApr 29, 20161 votes

You't trying to bend my words. The Captain was wounded and barely able to stand yet Yasuo struck him down when he already had a clean exit ready. What reason would he need to strike him down other than jsut for killing if he's trying ot prove he's innocent and that is what he's trying to do.

He literally begs his brother to forgive him and accept his innocence.

He professed his innocence once more and begged his brother's forgiveness. Tears streamed down Yasuo's face as his brother passed in his arms.

How would killing more people help him in his case? Even if he is proved innocent how would he be able to makeup for all the people he's killed when he didn't have to. Again going back to the Captain who was wounded and barely able but was still killed.

If anything letting that man live or disabling his squad would be more of a reason why not to hunt him. He's perpetuating the cycle of vengeance by killing more people and making more enemies to come after him.

Do you see how this man's plan doesn't make any sense? If the murder of an elder brings him years of being hunted by assassins then what will the needless slaughter of wounded men do for him?

Teaching a swordsman to kill is simple. The true challenge lies in teaching him not to kill.

Valaran NaraApr 29, 20161 votes

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Let me put it this way then, because here is the thing, your logic on why Yasuo's killing the captain is right.

If he takes the time to think things out fully, and I mean each time he fights take the time to say "What would be the best course of action," then letting the man live may help with proving his innocence.

Afterall, if he's framed for killing a man, then not killing any means he is not a murderer as he tries to find the real culprit.

Here is the problem. First, you're using logic. Emotionally, he wants his brother to believe him, but this happened after Yasuo already did enough to kill him. That is Yasuo wishing for his brother to understand what is happening and have faith in him. Remember in the story when Yasuo told Taliyah "I didn't kill him." She said, "I know." Yasuo felt a twinge of pain because she was the only one who believes he is innocent. This is emotional anguish for him.

And while the captain is wounded, the man still tried to kill Yasuo. In the heat of battle, everyone won't just let a wounded enemy go away. Most will finish them off right then. There may have been a point when Yasuo would have let the man go and live on, but remember that Yasuo has been on the run for a while now. It is possible he gave up on his original mission (prove his innocence) to carry out another (find the truth). The first would clear his name. The second will bring him closure. Proving his innocence does not equate to finding the true murderer just like finding out who truly did it doesn't immediately mean his name is cleared.

Further more, in the end, here's the thing: not everyone will do things the same way. What is logical and makes the most perfect sense for one person is not the same thing for another.

So why did Yasuo kill the captain? Because he felt that it was the proper course of action because realistically, most men in his situation are not going to let someone live after attacking them, especially with a background like his. After a certain point, 1 more kill on the blade amounts to very little.

KnalxzApr 29, 20161 votes

I'm just going off what his lore says and it says he's out to prove he is innocence. Until something else pops up about him giving up on that that's what's happening.

his lore even states that he's been on the run for years and that he's out to prove that he isn't guilty. So much time has passed but he's still driven to show that he's not a murderer...by killing even more people.

Come to think of it, each time he has been attacked it was in self defense and if everyone is dead no one can say otherwise...hmmm....

StrawberrycocoaApr 29, 20162 votes

As long as you kill the Evil Person Who Framed You and prove your innocence nobody ever seems to care how many Stormtroopers died on the way.

KnalxzApr 29, 20161 votes

I don't know Scorch was pretty upset about losing Sev.

I miss you brother...

http://orig10.deviantart.net/732e/f/2007/290/e/b/sev_and_chibi_trando_by_evolvana.png

ShadowAce666Apr 29, 20162 votes

I have a feeling its more of a 'It won't matter if I try to prove my innocence, they wouldn't believe me' situation. So he's probably just given up on that path.

As for the killing of his pursuers, I imagine that this could for several possible reasons:

He feels he might be always pursued, even after he finds the person responsible, so he kills his pursuers so there are less of them he has to deal with later.
He's such a deadly warrior that ultimately when he fights it leads to death; he's not able to hold back enough or it's just instinctual to land the killing blow in a fight where his life is on the line. (Cause lets face it when this happens in shows, pursuers of the protagonists probably wouldn't actually survive a single hit from most main characters).
Some of his pursuers could actually be in on the whole thing, like those soldiers could have just been corrupt.
In that particular instance he might have also not wanted to risk the girl being considered an accomplice and killed, so possibly protecting her.

Overall, I can see how his actions might not fit a lone wanderer, falsely accused of murder. But at the same time I feel that these deaths more realistically fit what would actually happen when a warrior such as Yasuo is being hunted down, with his life on the line, over a murder he was framed for.

KnalxzApr 29, 20161 votes

Yeah, I can see where you're coming from.

KnalxzApr 29, 20161 votes

Bababuoi

GreenLoreApr 29, 20161 votes

Trying to fight an opponent with your sword without killing them can be very risky and Yasuo probably doesn't want to risk his own life only to spare that of the pursuers.

Even if he managed to defeat them without killing them,they could come back stronger and better prepared,which would be dangerous for yasuo as well.