So lets talk about "Unkillable" Champions in Lore

dontspinbutwin··7 votes·9,230 views

You know, Champions where a nation fears their pressence alone. There are a few "Worldenders" I can think of, Lorewise. The Darkins, Aatrox and Rhast specifically, Mordekaiser, perhaps even Pyke. There are a few others I might add, like olaf, Sejuanni, Nasus, etc. However, for some reason, they don't scream as big a threat as someone like Morde.

Now why did I add pyke in this list? For the reason he can't die, and puts an entire nation on the edge of their seat. He can't be stopped, and he can't be overpowered. Champions such as Nasus, Olaf, Sejuanni, Xin zhao, Panth, Darius/Garen all have their own roadblocks. They may never stop trying, but they are susceptible to failure (especially pantheon). That isn't to say they aren't strong, but they can be stopped.

But Darkins, Morde, and Pyke? You can't stop them, can't overpower them, can't run from them, etc. Sure, pyke might be on the lower end of the spectrum here, but Aatrox, Rhast, and Morde are most certaintly top dogs here.

So what happens when these 3 run into each other in the Lore? Like what would happen?

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C0NCH0BAR6 votes

Well the end all be all is Kindred because who can kill death?

dontspinbutwin1 votes

I Suppose Kindred is there huh? But Kindred doesn't really want to destroy everything, they're just doing their job.

Also, Would Kindred really be able to kill Darkins and such? Darkins want to die, but phyiscally can't and kill others in hope that they die

Morde has legit died twice, and even then has come back because he refused to die (odd but, eh).

Pyke can't die. He doesn't question it, it isnt even mentioned

C0NCH0BAR1 votes

I suppose they (kindred) aren't really trying to kill. I'mma do some reading cause this could be a very fun road to walk down.

Jaspers5 votes

Darkin's are very killable. They have souls like any other. Throw them into the Void and end their lives as it consumes magic and life and they are nothing but both. They are also very beatable as their existence is tied to their weapon, if the weapon has no form, it's just a weapon. Their current forms are weak, human corpses in the case of Aatrox.

Pyke is the undead, spectral form and these beings like Morde and Senna are all in weird categories. What is death to them as they are already dead? Naut too in a way but has more of a physical form than the rest. If Runeterra has a 'afterlife' these beings have just delayed theirs journeys to it (or Thresh delayed Senna's) and there will be ways of killing them, Lucian probably knows.

There is only 1 real unkillable being in League and that's death itself.

dontspinbutwin3 votes

Darkins in lore aren't defeated in battle, and they take stronger and stronger hosts with every victory. Also, I believe that even if they were to die, they would simply go back into their weapon and wait for the next person to pick them up, rinse repeat.

Void isn't a means of instant death; Kaisa survived it as a girl, and Kassadin dove in and out of it. Malzahar got warped by it, but hes alive.

Pyke and Morde are dead, yeah, but Morde kinda stands out here (as we know nothing about pyke's "rebirth"). Morde legit refused to die by sheer will. Not sure if that makes him undead or what, but hes iffy.

Also, Kindred don't kill for fun: they kill as a job. They take no pleasure in it, they just do it.

Jaspers7 votes

Darkin, as in Aatrox. Varus has only just got a body and Rhaast can't even control a small weak boy. Some all powerful race. Aatrox is the only one good at it and he's already gone through many bodies and is defeated by Atreus. Throw that sword into the Void and be done with them.

Kai'sa was never in the Void, just near it, the cave system she was trapped in wasn't the Void. Kassadin according to his bio hasn't actually gone into the Void yet and Malz being corrupted by it doesn't mean he's gone in it but I'm not going to question this one as well, his existance is contridictory unless the Watchers are involved. The only stuff we have of direct contact with it's effects are from Where Icathia Once Stood where Ascended's were mutilated and deformed from the effects of it and it basically wiped out and entire nation and the attacking army.

Yeah, specter's are iffy, but they are ghosts, they are technically already dead, question should be can you kill their spiritual energy?

What I mean isn't that Kindred kills, but can't be killed as they are death. Unkillable doesn't mean killing, just unkillable and EVERY champ but them are killable, even if it's just very hard to do it.

Mogarl1 votes

Although if you ever read the short stories in Legends of Runeterra you'll find that Kindred certainly can kill people.

Terozu3 votes

Technically kindred kills everything.

dontspinbutwin1 votes

Very strong points, but I want to say a few things:

Kayn was by no means weak. Kayn killed an army by himself with just a farming sickle, something even zed found remarkable. He then wears no armor because he thinks its useless and only weighs him down. He mastered every single weapon available, and only went after rhast because he craved a challenge. Despite all this prowess, something on par with jax's weaponry prowess, rhast still slowly corrupted kayn.

Atreus doesn't defeat Aatrox. Pantheon is killed by Aatrox, and Atreus spits in aatrox's face. Aatrox snarls and walks away. Atreus survived, and now hunts any aspects/darkins he can find.

Kindred is strong yeah, but they don't actively have enemies. The champs I listed above specifically try to kill whoever they see out of hatred, vengence, etc. Kindred only appears once and a while to those whose times have come.

Tin Obliterates1 votes

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Darkin's are very killable. They have souls like any other. Throw them into the Void and end their lives as it consumes magic and life and they are nothing but both. They are also very beatable as their existence is tied to their weapon, if the weapon has no form, it's just a weapon. Their current forms are weak, human corpses in the case of Aatrox.

Aatrox's lore seemed to imply that Aatrox has figured out a method to somewhat combat this weakness by 'grooming' hosts to make them handle his power better so he can have a much stronger host to take over/absorb when needed (kind of like what he's doing with Tryndamere right now).

At the end of the day they still are just humans but at least it explains why he's seemingly able to travel around Runeterra now (he's in Freljord now I believe) instead of almost falling apart in a few seconds like he did in his color story. Otherwise I don't see how Tryndamere was swatted aside so easily if he fought an Aatrox that was barely holding himself together like he was in The Cage.

Ebonmaw Dragon5 votes

All those champions can be killed. Mordekaiser is already dead.

Just because he could come back, it doesnt mean that he will (Well, he will, but its not something that he can do without help)... and even without couting that, a void monster could kill them forever or they could not return from the death due other reasons.

The only champ who cant actually be killed is.... Olaf, not because he is a immortal god or something like that, his lore already tell us that he wont be killed and that is the strongest armor that a champ can have. He has fought against undeads in the Harrowing and survived, the guy is a beast.

dontspinbutwin1 votes

Oh olaf is strong yeah, and he legit tries to die because some old teller told him he's gonna die peacefully. I love his lore.

But also, he ties in strength with Sejuani and her army. He strikes up an alliance with Sejuani because he can't kill her, and she can't kill him. Thats why I didn't add Olaf to this list; his power can be conquered.

Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes

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Oh olaf is strong yeah, and he legit tries to die because some old teller told him he's gonna die peacefully. I love his lore.

But also, he ties in strength with Sejuani and her army. He strikes up an alliance with Sejuani because he can't kill her, and she can't kill him. Thats why I didn't add Olaf to this list; his power can be conquered.

But you are not talking about strong champs, you are talking about unkillable Champs... and Olaf is the only one like that, regarless if he can be defeated.

If we talk about power, there are tons of champs who are more powerfull than Pyke for example.

Being powerfull does not mean Unkilleable, and being Unkilleable does not mean powerfull.

DemiMax1 votes

The only champ who cant actually be killed is.... Olaf, not because he is a immortal god or something like that, his lore already tell us that he wont be killed and that is the strongest armor that a champ can have. He has fought against undeads in the Harrowing and survived, the guy is a beast.

Olaf 's plot is armor, he has literal plot armor

GreenLore4 votes

While none of the darkins and Mordekaiser can be killed for good(at least we don't know of a way to do it), they can be "killed" temporarily.

Mordekaiser can be killed if his armor is destroyed, he would simply return to the afterlife and come back later.

Similarly Aatrox and Rhaast can "die", returning them to their weapon-forms until someone else picks them up again.

So if these 3 clashed it would likely end up either with both darkins being sealed in their weapons again, or just one of the darkins is sealed again, while Morde is back in the afterlife.

dontspinbutwin1 votes

But Morde is immune to death now: he made an empire in his death realm. He'll probs just come crawling back, angrier than before. Same goes for Darkins.

I think a bigger question is who is canonically strongest out of this group in lore?

GreenLore1 votes

My point is that each of these 3 can be "temporarily be killed", so if all 3 of them were to clash then 2 of them would end up in a state where they can't act again.

As for who is the strongest: I'd say Aatrox has the potential to be the strongest out of these 3. It was said that he can merge more people into his flesh form and that if he had enough people around he could actually become stronger than Xerath(and I think that Xerath is stronger than Morde and Rhaast).

Morde might be the most difficult to kill for good though after all its not like he can't die, its just that he can remain in the afterlife.

ModRowanstar1 votes

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While none of the darkins and Mordekaiser can be killed for good(at least we don't know of a way to do it), they can be "killed" temporarily.

Mordekaiser can be killed if his armor is destroyed, he would simply return to the afterlife and come back later.

Similarly Aatrox and Rhaast can "die", returning them to their weapon-forms until someone else picks them up again.

So if these 3 clashed it would likely end up either with both darkins being sealed in their weapons again, or just one of the darkins is sealed again, while Morde is back in the afterlife.

Morde may be defeatable but its extremely difficult and takes a massive amount of power and even then he refuses to die or fade and just comes back stronger somehow.

FSRER4 votes

Everyone always forgets Tryndamere, you know, the one guy that can't die because....we learned why (and as a side note, new Pantheon's story is a copy of Tryndamere's)

dontspinbutwin1 votes

Well, he's been overpowered by Aatrox. For that reason, lorewise, I'd say he's on the same level as those like Darius, Pantheon, Nasus, etc

Vlada Cut3 votes

"Unkillable and can't be stopped"

Kindred: Hold our beer.

Blaxonec2 votes

I want to begin to read the lore ... where to start actually ? Champions bio ? Comics ? Short stories ? Its all a one big mess for me. Can you help me a bit ? Is there some order what to read first ?

Jaspers2 votes

https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_GB/

The best place for it. Find your favourite character and explore their stories and bio and go from there, see who they are connected and explore the map. I recommend Where Icathia Once Stood (nice explanation of why the world is messed up) and Silence for the Damned (a great exploration of some individual characters related to Freljord).

DerMangoJoghurt1 votes

Another player asked a similar question in this thread. I'm sure you'll find good advice among the comments.

zounet1 votes

Beginn with the map

Heart of Light1 votes

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I want to begin to read the lore ... where to start actually ? Champions bio ? Comics ? Short stories ? Its all a one big mess for me. Can you help me a bit ? Is there some order what to read first ?

You can also start from Gnar/Lissandra and then Azir/Taliyah, Kayle/Morgana, Pantheon...

ModRowanstar2 votes

How is Pyke a world ender? He isn't that powerful he is a just an angry executioner who cuts down those who he thinks are guilty. He doesn;t have some massive power that can smite nations. Mordekaiser is the best example because he literally ignores death and gains power from any source of death or necromancy (Including the major source of the Shadow Isles). Which brings to mind a question. If Morde is a god-like bad guy who wants to dominate all of Valoran, why did his minions make him out of Iron? Steel is much stronger and if he gets wet, his iron armor will rust until he is just a walking rust-ball. Basically his ultimate weakness. Unless his armor is meant to be tempered or un rustable because he is already dead?

dontspinbutwin1 votes

I added pyke as a "World ender", simply for the reason of he can't be stopped/he isn't matched in strength. However, I put him on the smaller end of the spectrum, as he only patrols nights at bilgewater (and doesn't care for leaving bilgewater), while the Darkins roam around all of runeterra, and Morde wants to get off the shadow isles.

Also, maybe his minions were broke man, idk. Steel is expensive.

Cind3rkick1 votes

Olaf is unkillable if I remember correctly. His god only kills those who wander from what they desire most but olaf wants to die in battle. Meaning if he is in battle, his god will make sure he survives it, since his only desire is to die in an honorable battle. It creates a very depressing loop.

AurelionSol Amumu Azir Bard Along with the demons and freljord demi-gods also appear unkillable

dontspinbutwin1 votes

But he can be stopped: he clashed with Sejuanni's army, but tied becuase he and Sejuanni couldn't topple the other.

Meanwhile, Darkins are unopposed, Morde conquers anyone in his path, and pyke has no opposition.

Falrein1 votes

I don't think there is such a thing as 'unkillable champions'. Tho again, it depends on what you mean by death. Void erasure doesn't count as death, but I think you can throw that in to stop them.

Back on the topic -

There is currently no known way to (definitively) kill a Darkin. I do think that somewhere, there's a way to free them from the spell that binds them. Arguably, only Zoe could know of it, as Twilight seems to be the one who's done it. But Runeterra seems to be where everything is possible, and I do think it's possible to break that spell. Would it be easy? Definitely not. Other than that, Darkin aren't undefeatable. They are powerful, for sure, but do remember that there are other powerful beings out there who could potentially rise to fight them.

Mordekaiser... Eh. I don't think he's unkillable. He hasn't come back yet, so we'll have to see. Just because his bio ends with "They know no way of stopping him" doesn't mean there isn't. What if you directly attack his soul? What if you slash it or destroy it? Surely it is easier said than done, but the possibility still exists. What 'sheer force of will' is there, if there's no soul to bear any will? Also I'd argue that if Aatrox can kill an actual Celestial being... Surely there's something to be done for Mordekaiser!

Regarding Pyke, I put him on the same shelf as Morde, albeit less powerful?

Those are just my two cents, but I don't think there's any appeal in "Champs that will die but actually not die and always come back!". Especially in Mordekaiser's case anyway, as there's no stake for him (whereas the Darkin have to suffer constant suffocation in their weapon form), he just goes back to M.R.

Also I'm not sure why you put Sejuani and Olaf on the same level as Nasus? Separate issue but legit question

zounet2 votes

A rioter said in the Aatrox's AMA that nagakabouros can save him/ kill him/ separate his soul from the blade

Falrein1 votes

Note that AMAs are only Rioter opinions, and are not to be treated as raw facts!

dontspinbutwin1 votes

Sejuanni and Olaf are tied in strength, as they've clashed and come to a draw. Nasus and Renekton are of equal strength as well, thats why I put them on the same level

Also: since technically Aatrox was a shuriman who assended, why is he potrayed as so much stronger than the accended shurimans? Thats also something thats been bugging me

Falrein1 votes

Yeah sure... But Sejuani and Olaf aren't powerful on a a very wide scale? I don't know if I misunderstand what you wrote but you listed them as 'World enders'? Or nation fearing their sheer presence?

Regarding Aatrox... It's a bit complicated, as he is rather bound by the amount of flesh he currently has at his disposal. He can be much stronger, or much weaker than your regular Ascended. But I don't think he outclasses them (as in, I don't think he is superior BY FAR). Our 4 current Ascended champs are pretty effing powerful

ModRowanstar1 votes

If you mean Death as in they die permanently and go into the beyond/heaven/hell then no none of the Darkin, Pyke or ghost champions can die.

Defeat is a different thing. Each of these beings can indeed be banished in some way to where they have no effect on the living world. The SI champions can be taken out, but instead of dying they return to the SI. It is weird because they aren't undead. They are cursed and trapped between life and death. So they can be hurt.

Posui Gart1 votes

I dont really think Pyke is that strong or that he "puts an entire nation on the edge of their seat". Its more like a tale of an abandoned crewmate getting back from dead for revenge, intentionally made by someone to make some greedy captains think twice before abandoning their mates. Sure, he probably kills quite a lot of people in Bilgewater, but its a pirate city and there are a lot of killing done overall so nobody cares

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