So lets talk about "Unkillable" Champions in Lore

dontspinbutwin·1/14/2020, 7:11:09 AM·7 votes·9,230 views

You know, Champions where a nation fears their pressence alone. There are a few "Worldenders" I can think of, Lorewise. The Darkins, Aatrox and Rhast specifically, Mordekaiser, perhaps even Pyke. There are a few others I might add, like olaf, Sejuanni, Nasus, etc. However, for some reason, they don't scream as big a threat as someone like Morde.

Now why did I add pyke in this list? For the reason he can't die, and puts an entire nation on the edge of their seat. He can't be stopped, and he can't be overpowered. Champions such as Nasus, Olaf, Sejuanni, Xin zhao, Panth, Darius/Garen all have their own roadblocks. They may never stop trying, but they are susceptible to failure (especially pantheon). That isn't to say they aren't strong, but they can be stopped.

But Darkins, Morde, and Pyke? You can't stop them, can't overpower them, can't run from them, etc. Sure, pyke might be on the lower end of the spectrum here, but Aatrox, Rhast, and Morde are most certaintly top dogs here.

So what happens when these 3 run into each other in the Lore? Like what would happen?

37 Comments

C0NCH0BAR1/14/2020, 7:56:41 AM6 votes

Well the end all be all is Kindred because who can kill death?

Jaspers1/14/2020, 9:24:43 AM5 votes

Darkin's are very killable. They have souls like any other. Throw them into the Void and end their lives as it consumes magic and life and they are nothing but both. They are also very beatable as their existence is tied to their weapon, if the weapon has no form, it's just a weapon. Their current forms are weak, human corpses in the case of Aatrox.

Pyke is the undead, spectral form and these beings like Morde and Senna are all in weird categories. What is death to them as they are already dead? Naut too in a way but has more of a physical form than the rest. If Runeterra has a 'afterlife' these beings have just delayed theirs journeys to it (or Thresh delayed Senna's) and there will be ways of killing them, Lucian probably knows.

There is only 1 real unkillable being in League and that's death itself.

Ebonmaw Dragon1/14/2020, 12:10:00 PM5 votes

All those champions can be killed. Mordekaiser is already dead.

Just because he could come back, it doesnt mean that he will (Well, he will, but its not something that he can do without help)... and even without couting that, a void monster could kill them forever or they could not return from the death due other reasons.

The only champ who cant actually be killed is.... Olaf, not because he is a immortal god or something like that, his lore already tell us that he wont be killed and that is the strongest armor that a champ can have. He has fought against undeads in the Harrowing and survived, the guy is a beast.

GreenLore1/14/2020, 9:07:46 AM4 votes

While none of the darkins and Mordekaiser can be killed for good(at least we don't know of a way to do it), they can be "killed" temporarily.

Mordekaiser can be killed if his armor is destroyed, he would simply return to the afterlife and come back later.

Similarly Aatrox and Rhaast can "die", returning them to their weapon-forms until someone else picks them up again.

So if these 3 clashed it would likely end up either with both darkins being sealed in their weapons again, or just one of the darkins is sealed again, while Morde is back in the afterlife.

FSRER1/14/2020, 11:36:13 AM4 votes

Everyone always forgets Tryndamere, you know, the one guy that can't die because....we learned why (and as a side note, new Pantheon's story is a copy of Tryndamere's)

Vlada Cut1/14/2020, 1:36:33 PM3 votes

"Unkillable and can't be stopped"

Kindred: Hold our beer.

Blaxonec1/14/2020, 12:32:52 PM2 votes

I want to begin to read the lore ... where to start actually ? Champions bio ? Comics ? Short stories ? Its all a one big mess for me. Can you help me a bit ? Is there some order what to read first ?

ModRowanstar1/14/2020, 2:50:53 PM2 votes

How is Pyke a world ender? He isn't that powerful he is a just an angry executioner who cuts down those who he thinks are guilty. He doesn;t have some massive power that can smite nations. Mordekaiser is the best example because he literally ignores death and gains power from any source of death or necromancy (Including the major source of the Shadow Isles). Which brings to mind a question. If Morde is a god-like bad guy who wants to dominate all of Valoran, why did his minions make him out of Iron? Steel is much stronger and if he gets wet, his iron armor will rust until he is just a walking rust-ball. Basically his ultimate weakness. Unless his armor is meant to be tempered or un rustable because he is already dead?

Posui Gart1/15/2020, 11:50:51 AM1 votes

I dont really think Pyke is that strong or that he "puts an entire nation on the edge of their seat". Its more like a tale of an abandoned crewmate getting back from dead for revenge, intentionally made by someone to make some greedy captains think twice before abandoning their mates. Sure, he probably kills quite a lot of people in Bilgewater, but its a pirate city and there are a lot of killing done overall so nobody cares

Falrein1/14/2020, 4:47:06 PM1 votes

I don't think there is such a thing as 'unkillable champions'. Tho again, it depends on what you mean by death. Void erasure doesn't count as death, but I think you can throw that in to stop them.

Back on the topic -

There is currently no known way to (definitively) kill a Darkin. I do think that somewhere, there's a way to free them from the spell that binds them. Arguably, only Zoe could know of it, as Twilight seems to be the one who's done it. But Runeterra seems to be where everything is possible, and I do think it's possible to break that spell. Would it be easy? Definitely not. Other than that, Darkin aren't undefeatable. They are powerful, for sure, but do remember that there are other powerful beings out there who could potentially rise to fight them.

Mordekaiser... Eh. I don't think he's unkillable. He hasn't come back yet, so we'll have to see. Just because his bio ends with "They know no way of stopping him" doesn't mean there isn't. What if you directly attack his soul? What if you slash it or destroy it? Surely it is easier said than done, but the possibility still exists. What 'sheer force of will' is there, if there's no soul to bear any will? Also I'd argue that if Aatrox can kill an actual Celestial being... Surely there's something to be done for Mordekaiser!

Regarding Pyke, I put him on the same shelf as Morde, albeit less powerful?

Those are just my two cents, but I don't think there's any appeal in "Champs that will die but actually not die and always come back!". Especially in Mordekaiser's case anyway, as there's no stake for him (whereas the Darkin have to suffer constant suffocation in their weapon form), he just goes back to M.R.

Also I'm not sure why you put Sejuani and Olaf on the same level as Nasus? Separate issue but legit question

ModRowanstar1/14/2020, 8:46:13 PM1 votes

If you mean Death as in they die permanently and go into the beyond/heaven/hell then no none of the Darkin, Pyke or ghost champions can die.

Defeat is a different thing. Each of these beings can indeed be banished in some way to where they have no effect on the living world. The SI champions can be taken out, but instead of dying they return to the SI. It is weird because they aren't undead. They are cursed and trapped between life and death. So they can be hurt.

Cind3rkick1/14/2020, 9:12:00 AM1 votes

Olaf is unkillable if I remember correctly. His god only kills those who wander from what they desire most but olaf wants to die in battle. Meaning if he is in battle, his god will make sure he survives it, since his only desire is to die in an honorable battle. It creates a very depressing loop.

AurelionSol Amumu Azir Bard Along with the demons and freljord demi-gods also appear unkillable