Noxus Gets Treated Terribly Lorewise

Zkaiser·7/26/2017, 5:50:01 AM·15 votes·2,026 views

Can Riot just drop the pretense and turn Noxians into Nazis and make it clear that we're not supposed to like them and no level headed character will ever come from (or stay) there? FOUR former-Noxians (Annie Kayn Riven Urgot in the game? Does no one defect from anywhere else? Is Noxus just ALL bad? I remember being told that there was to be nuance about the "good" and "evil" of Demacia and Noxus but really, Noxus is filled with the absolute worst and nothing bad ever comes from Demacia. I also remember that we were supposed to get a Crimson Elite line to rival the Commandos and that got dropped completely.

I hope you Riot has something in store for Noxus when Swain's update drops.

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Umbral Regent7/26/2017, 10:20:17 AM14 votes

There is some nuance between the "good and evil of Demacia and Noxus" - sure, Noxus is chock full of villainous folk (Talon's a cold-blooded killer, Katarina's a showboaty killer, Cassiopeia is a flippin' monster, Elise is a spider cult monster, LeBlanc is a trickster illusionist, Swain's a conspirator, Darius is basically a butcher in soldier's armor, Kled, Draven's a dick, etc. etc.), but there's still a lot to be said about Noxus and Demacia as nations.

Demacia is basically Dragon Age style anti-magic, and then some. While Runeterran Mages don't really have any demonic corruption to rightly fear, the Rune Wars sets a pretty huge bias against mages for Demacia. So huge is this bias that there is actually an order of people called the Annullers whose sole job is to discreetly, and, very much permanently, /muteall a mage. Which, considering that Demacia employs the Annullers probably to an extent more frequent than the Rite of Tranquility is used in Dragon Age, that should say something about how arcanophobic Demacia is.

And, while Noxus is teeming with villainy and evil, there's still a fair amount of good to the place. (yes, the military of Noxus is unimaginably vile, using children for shock-tactics, mages as WMD's, and the reanimated corpse of a blood-fueled war-machine, all in some measure), but from a political perspective (ignoring the underground mage cult pulling the strings behind everything), the place is actually relatively decent and welcoming.

Mages are allowed and encouraged, those who surrender are allowed not just to integrate, but to share culture (although that may be a secret war-tactic), and, for a time, the dead and dying were treated almost with more reverence than the living populace - and probably still are, if Karthus inspired a few tally-men to take to their work as he did.

And, I mean, sure, Noxus is nowhere near as balanced-out as Demacia is, I'd imagine it'd still be a halfway decent place to live provided you're hardy enough. Better than Bilgewater, anyway.

Valaran Nara7/26/2017, 7:23:12 AM11 votes

Taric has defected from Demacia and ascended Mt. Targon.

Speaking of Targon, didn't Diana pretty much went "Fuck you," to the ruling order upon the mountain and went into exile fighting the Void?

Mentioning Demacia prior, Lux was ready to up and run away or just kill what made her unique before meeting Galio.

Oh, and Vi was a sump-snipe before joining the Piltover Enforcers.

GreenLore7/26/2017, 11:14:00 AM9 votes

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and nothing bad ever comes from Demacia.

Uhm so what about all those mages that are basically put into slums and have to see "doctors" to get their "illness" treated?

Not to mention that we actually do have an exiled demacian with Taric (though he didn't leave the place on his own)

And overall I wouldn't count on Annies lore still being canon(not to mention that Annie was likely born after her parents left noxus,meaning that technically she isn't a former noxian)

Bottom Laner7/26/2017, 7:20:17 AM3 votes

Karthus was a Noxian too

ChompyWulf7/26/2017, 7:49:53 AM3 votes

It's pretty clear Noxus, Shadow Isles, and Zaun are overwhelmingly meant to be evil. They aren't meant to be misunderstood or noble savages, they are nations which embraced might over right. I would be very interested to see a Demacian feel their system of over righteousness has limited their talents, and defect to one of the evils.

Citavista7/26/2017, 10:26:16 AM2 votes

Every Noxian champion is a bad ass. Take the idea that Noxus represents and you'll soon find that it would naturally drive moderate/good-natured people away by its own loose rules: might makes right. So you best believe if a champion is notable in Noxus that they've long shed their morals about bloodshed in general.

If Noxus wasn't like that it'd be another Demacia. This is coming from someone who likes Demacia more, and even I know that the whole point of Noxus is a huge power fantasy where you get to call the shots if you're a bad ass.

SolarisCorvus7/26/2017, 8:49:28 AM2 votes

Just because kayn is arrogant and power hungry and not a perfect hero doesnt mean he isnt good in some ways. Kayn is power hungry because of his noxian upbringing and training with zed and his order. Kayn feels that only he can chamge the world for the better which in his own twisted way makes him a hero of sorts.

Jet Sett7/26/2017, 3:38:18 PM2 votes

I like how the list of defected Noxians includes a murderer who's arrogance could lead to the reawakening of an ancient and genocdial power, a child who entered into contract with a demon (her terms or not, Tibbers is still a demon) a bloodthirsty executioner resurrected by Zaun, and a military defector who ran away instead of challenging the source of her problems leaving countless soldiers to be killed by indiscriminate chemical warfare rather than trying to be the one to stick up for them.