Tone down the furry, please

Hauling Ashe·4/5/2017, 4:59:24 AM·7 votes·3,223 views

Yeah, the new champs are cool and all. But the whole "Vastayan" thing reeks of furry. I liked having more-or-less natural-looking animal types (Twitch, Warwick, Wukong) even if they do have a bipedal walk. Yordles are their own thing. And I could put up with Ahri (as much as I dislike her furryness) because she's rooted in centuries-old mythology. But these human/animal hybrids are starting to get a little common, judging by the new lore additions -- and a little creepy.

There's this fine line where you've start sticking people's torsos on rooster legs, and it's getting a little sketchy.

Just my 2 cents, which is worth about 3 RP.

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MissingKayo4/5/2017, 5:00:11 AM11 votes

Or you could just accept it as fantasy? And not sexualize it?

Kukan Seishin4/5/2017, 5:06:38 AM5 votes

Your 2 cents worth an infinite amount of downvotes

Kouga4/5/2017, 2:37:04 PM5 votes

I'm going to try something crazy here, and see if we can have a rational discussion here. I was just browsing some of the reaction threads and your responses and something you said struck a chord:

Because furries represent a childish and borderline creepy characterization of creatures as something humanly emotional, equally sacred as human life, and, yes, often bestially perverted. There is a core conscientious feeling towards "furries" in my mind that just whispers to me that something is not right about it. It has nothing to do with what society tells me or any politically motivated conspiracies you may come up with. My gut just says something is inherently out of place with these anthropomorphs.

Fair enough. I suppose the argument could be likened to people who do not approve of Annie in the game because they feel that "loli" style characters represent a "borderline creepy characterization of creatures children as something often perverted."

However, I feel like in both cases it is more the viewer projecting their own sexual thoughts or apprehensions onto the image, rather than it being inherently perverse. Admittedly, this is a harder argument with R&X given their lore and theme as lovers. The sexuality in this case is more inherit, but the perversity of it I think it still a projection of it being "creepy."

And like it or not, everything we say and do is influenced by our society and our politics. Maybe not overtly, not obviously, or not in ways that we're consciously aware of. But art cannot be completely separated from society, as art is a reflection of the society in which its created.

Alright, back to the "furry = wrong" argument. League has always had a spectrum of Champions, ranging from Humans to Beasts to Monsters. Some are firmly in the normal/natural Human category. There is very little unnatural about Xin Xhao, for instance, he's just a dude with a spear. These range into "Normal Humans with Unnatural Powers or Equipment" (Ezreal or Ekko are regular kids with magic items), all the way to Lovecraftian horrors (basically any of the Void monsters) that are not remotely natural or normal.

So I see the Vastayan as just being along that spectrum. On the Beast end of that spectrum you have, say, Warwick. He runs like an animal, sounds like an animal, looks like an animal (although wears some armor). Renekton, Nasus. They're anthromorphs too, they're just much further towards the animal end than the human end. Kindred is probably the furthest you'll get to the Animal end of the spectrum (they don't wear clothes, don't walk like humans, etc) where Ahri is probably one of the closer to the Human end (basically human with fox tails and minor cosmetics).

So my question for you is why are the Vastayan's "wrong", but none of the others are? Is it just because their lore & theme revolves around them being lovers, and something inside you is repulsed by and rejects it? Or is it because they're in some kind of Uncanny Valley of Anthromorphs. Less human than Ahri, but more human than Twitch? If either of these Champions had been released by themselves without the "star crossed lovers" slant, would you still be creeped out by them?

I'm genuinely curious what your answer here is, I'm not trying to bash your response.

Nik Nikerson4/5/2017, 1:55:39 PM3 votes

You have to appreciate, these champs weren't created for you. They were created for the people that will be passionate about them. They are not supposed to appeal to you. You don't have to like every single character, as long as there are characters you do like.

AgeOfTheMage4/5/2017, 6:20:19 AM1 votes

I mean, what, they gonna make another human champ? how original would that be? but this, this is new and cool and i love the new champs and everything about them. as for your severe dislike of furries I honestly don't mind them, sure, everyone has their own opinion, but try being a little less hateful. <3

The Whamboozler4/5/2017, 6:05:17 PM1 votes

Personally, I'm just sad that they're not ACTUAL harpies.

Harpies were cruel, usually hideous bird-women that abducted people and dragged them off. What they did with them depends on the myth, but in some it was "dragged them to hell" and in others Harpies were just cannibals that ate people.

A cannibalistic monster-woman would be far more interesting than another super-model with slight animal features. And a screeching beast that lived to abduct humans would be more unique than yet ANOTHER "here is a smug badass that arrogantly talks down to everyone while crowing about how good they are". I'd rather be a blood-soaked cannibal bird-woman than one of those two. They both sound like modern teenagers... and not even smart or interesting ones!

I don't care about sex appeal if it's appropriate to the character. But give me something freaking unique. Not just another boring human in cosplay with a smug attitude and a new pile of lines about how everyone else is stupid/wrong/evil but them. More Rek'sai... less Zyra/Ahri/Rakan/etc.