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Diana new lore

Serika Zero·2/26/2016, 2:50:44 PM·16 votes·2,087 views

I'm really disappointed in it and not at the same time. I never expected something good. And I'm glad my expectations were zero, as otherwise they would have been shattered.

The initial Diana lore was about revenge, betrayal, vengeance, trying to find salvation, etc. She was an elite Solari member, but at the same time she was interested in the moon. Eventually she found a temple of the moon which was "concealed" by the elder Solari members. And when they find her there. They try to kill her, without a trial or anything. That gives a sense of betrayal. That gives a purpose for vengeance. That shows a pariah chasing her salvation though purging her enemies from her world. Due to the story, it also made it as. Her character could "grown" in time. That her desire for revenge could be "stopped", that she could find salvation when someone else would give her the love, caring affection and understanding that she needed (even more when that person was Leona).

But what happened to her lore now? All that depth of emotion is gone. Diana became an average Solari member with a random fixation on the moon. She apparently was and is always in a teenage stage where she's a rebel towards everything. "randomly" while she was punished she gets to find a book with burned pages. Oh, but though some mystical feature she can READ THE BURNED PAGES......... wtf ???

Ok, to begin with. Why would a group of people dedicated to worship the sun have a book about the moon in their libary. That's like saying in the christian libraries, you can find books that are about worshiping satan (I'm not calling satan good or bad, its just that sun and the moon were seen pretty much as god and devil by that society). Its retarded. Its dumb. No, its beyond dumb and retarded. At least before they tried to conceal things before the light of the moon shown Diana the path to the temple, the "Moon" guided her there. Now she randomly finds a book that shouldn't be there in the first place to get her plot going. However, just this little fact lowers the "value" of the entire Solari society down by a lot.

Next, somehow she reads though burned pages. How is that even possible????

A glint of light behind a sagging bookcase drew Diana’s eyes, and upon investigation, she discovered the partially burned pages of an ancient manuscript.

Take a page in a book, try to burn a single page out of it. Now try to stop that burn from burning your entire book. And now try to understand what was written on that "half burned page". Well,

Diana took the pages and read them beneath the full moon

Ok fine, she magically can read that.

Diana learned of an all-but-extinct group known as the Lunari, whose faith saw the moon as a source of life and balance. From what Diana could glean from the fragmentary texts, the Lunari spoke of the eternal cycle — night and day, sun and moon — as essential for universal harmony.

Ok, Diana saw 2 lines in a book she had absolutely no clue how "legit" the information was and got her "revelation" from it??? Come on, like, really? Seriously???

Meh, fine. Fine. Lets just skip this part and move on. Now she sees an old woman and helps her get to the top of the mountain in a single day (sry, night). While everyone else that did that, it took them days. Fuck consistency right? Whatever, lets let it slide and say that was the "moon" illusion guiding her.

Diana saw the promise of the emptiness within her being filled, of acceptance and the chance to be part of something greater than she could ever imagine. This was what Diana had sought all her life without truly knowing it. She took a hesitant step towards the incredible vista. Diana screamed as it poured into her, a union with something vast and inhuman. The sensation was painful, but also joyous - a moment or an eternity that was both revelatory and hallucinatory.

From the 3 people that went on top of that mountain. Only Diana lost her virginity. That's not fair, come on. Where's that part for Leona? At least she had a BOY up there with her. While Diana was alone >.>

Ok, lets move on after that entire hentai plot. Diana goes into a cave where she randomly finds her armor and power and learns about the moon&sun together.

But what's the problem with this? ITS A FUCKING CAVE. The supposed side she's siding with is one that Worships the MOON. Does the moon shine in a cave? Of course not. It makes no sense for a cult that is worshiping an astronomical element, such as a moon have its "temple" in a place where that element itself cannot reach. At least the last lore made sense. Moonlight was going inside that temple. But this one is in a CAVE. There's barely any light in a cave. I'll let it slide that she used her mark on her forehead as a flashlight to walk though the CAVE. But having artifacts of a cult that worships the moon IN A CAVE. Its stupid. Just as stupid as having a book about the moon in the library of a cult that worships the sun.

Ok, now she comes back to her peeps. Trying to "share" her new found wisdom.

She was met at the temple gates by Leona, the master of the Ra-Horak and the Solari’s greatest warrior.

Now, this doesn't sound problematic by default, not until you read Leona's new lore which says:

Her path changed forever when she was called to escort a young member of the Solari to the heart of the temple.

She was called to meet up with Diana and escort her. While Diana was greeted directly by Leona. Adding the 2 together we have either: a) inconsistent story telling which hurts the lore b) someone is able to predict the future in the solari circle. That someone is also important enough to issue orders to "the master of the Ra-Horak". Which also means that someone was able to predict that the elders will get killed, that diana will go missing, that leona will go hunting and everything so on. Which also means that person is evil as the he or she allowed for the future made it as the sun and the moon to be separated.

To be fair, I'll pick a) since there's no further notes suggesting or foreshowing a mastermind with control over time in their ranks.

Diana was brought before the temple elders, who listened with mounting horror as she told of what she had learned of the Lunari. When she had finished her tale, the elders immediately denounced her as a heretic, a blasphemer and peddler of false gods. For such a heinous crime, death.

Ok, so at this point. We have Diana. The girl that learned of how important the solari and lunari should work together. Obviously the elders are to close minded and say her punishment is death.

What doesn't make any fucking sense is

Diana was appalled. How could the elders reject what was so patently true? How could they turn their back on revelations brought from the very summit of the holy mountain? Her fury built at their willful blindness, and blazing orbs of silver fire spun in the air around her. [...] The elders were dead and Leona lay on her back.

Ok, she's shocked because the elders chosen to refuse her belief. But what she does for that is murder everyone. Like what the fuck? This sounds like a woman with super powers on her period rather than anything else. It makes no sense, its illogical and it goes against her character described earlier on the story.

She was described as a lovely and helpful young girl, albeit sarcastic and rebel. There was NOTHING to suggest such a behavior, a "LETS MURDER EVERYONE when they don't agree with me" type of behavior. What I got from this is that the writer was trying to desperately copy a part of her lore. However its vastly different. Before we had betrayal, we had conspiracy. We had a reason for such a depth feeling such as vengeance and hated to occur. But now we don't. Diana herself was presented as being a "good girl". The moon itself was presented as being a "good entity". Both of them understanding the need to work together with the Solari circle. And the Solari elder idiots. Not even if she was on her period should such a behavior occur. It was totally out of place and forced. I suppose this is what you call an "asspull".

Hunted by the warriors of the Ra-Horak, Diana now seeks to piece together the fragmentary memories of the Lunari hidden within her mind. What her destiny might be is unknown, but Diana will find it, whatever the cost.

Ok. And here's the final touch. We have Diana as a "misunderstood hero" that is trying to save the world. She is a good and carrying person which only wants to follow the moon (her boyfriend which whom she had sex back on the second page).

Compared to the original version: A hero of moon, seeking vengeance for the betrayal she had suffered by the hand of the Solari. Her character is filled with hate and revenge. Which also means its easy to shift in both directions. Either go total crazy on the revenge path OR by given enough love, affection and understanding she could chose to work together with those whom she hates right now (as the elders are dead to begin with).

Her character took a 180 degrees turn. The story telling has a bunch of asspulls and enough of inconsistency to make Fairy Tail story telling look like Shakespeare work. The good part in it were that it had a lot of descriptions, trying to get a visual image of stuff wasn't difficult. However, that doesn't make up for the MASSIVE CHANGE IN CHARACTER and inconsistency in story telling.

Overall, if you cared about original Diana. This new lore is worth a 3 out of 10. If you don't care about the original Diana, its worth 7 out of 10.

26 Comments

TheBentOn32/26/2016, 5:36:55 PM3 votes

It seems to me like they made Diana into the kind caring peace-seeker and Leona into the bloodthirsty zealot. Seeing this Diana alongside ~~Spanish ~~ SolarI Inquisition Leona, just feels weird imo.

Lajinn52/26/2016, 6:24:46 PM1 votes

Technically one could pick out the inconsistency between Leona being called to meet her. They're warriors and likely have scout posts, also, if they have walls its likely they can see people approaching them from quite a long distance (As only idiots build their walls without visibility of the area around them), more than enough to get a message to the elders and them have Leona head to the gate. While I see the rest as valid, that one isn't a very valid complaint.

Ravenhale2/26/2016, 4:55:59 PM1 votes

For me, the lore feels like a generic outline lacking depth. A lot of champions in League could have entire novels written about them and the most we are going to get is 5 to 10 pages.

Alfirinestel2/27/2016, 5:10:54 PM1 votes

Thank you! I totally agree with you here it's a 3 out of 10. I think who ever was writing the lore, wrote it center around "Mt. Taragon" and in that destroyed some very crucial story points that made up the champions character and personality! The new Diana seems... pitiful.

She was meant to be killed by the Solari which is what made her kill the Solari for survival. It was understood she paralleled Leona, in that it was the moment when she was about to get killed she was chosen and her transformation happened. Not only that it was also revealed by Iron Stylus that the rune of her forehead was actually during when she was tied up and before her execution she was "branded" as a heretic on her forehead. And the Solari not knowing the brand was actually a Brand for the Lunari. Details like these create such a wonderful story.

Leona's story about being chosen of the sun because she refused to kill and in that was punished to death. In that moment, when the axe struck, light poured forward. This was the parallel Diana had with Leona. It was compelling. It made you identify with either or characters.

The writer is moving towards a direction where they are centering their Lore and the genesis of their transformation around a specific place in Mt. Taragon. Because of this specific place and challenge, and instead of integrating eat Champions lore and implied sad the death happened on top of these mountains, it was somehow this long epic climb and MUNDANE journey.

I think the critical and poignant personality plots was redacted all for the sake of Mt. Taragon for both Diana and Leona.

The only Champion this helped was Pantheon or Arteus.

I wonder what Iron Stylus thinks of this?

GreenLore2/27/2016, 6:20:44 PM1 votes

My explanation for your points:

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Ok, to begin with. Why would a group of people dedicated to worship the sun have a book about the moon in their libary. That's like saying in the christian libraries, you can find books that are about worshiping satan (I'm not calling satan good or bad, its just that sun and the moon were seen pretty much as god and devil by that society). Its retarded. Its dumb. No, its beyond dumb and retarded. At least before they tried to conceal things before the light of the moon shown Diana the path to the temple, the "Moon" guided her there. Now she randomly finds a book that shouldn't be there in the first place to get her plot going. However, just this little fact lowers the "value" of the entire Solari society down by a lot.

Next, somehow she reads though burned pages. How is that even possible????

Take a page in a book, try to burn a single page out of it. Now try to stop that burn from burning your entire book. And now try to understand what was written on that "half burned page". Well,

Ok fine, she magically can read that.

You know Diana got her clue about the lunari in the old lore from a book as well,she was never guided by the moon in it...

Also based on what Diana said we can assume that the Solari and Lunari worked together in the past,so it would make sense that the solari had books about the lunari back then and that they'd burn these books when they decided to hide that the lunari ever existed.

Ok, Diana saw 2 lines in a book she had absolutely no clue how "legit" the information was and got her "revelation" from it??? Come on, like, really? Seriously???

It was a manuscript(not a book),so there were most likely several pages,not just 2 lines. Also Diana,the girl who always believed that the moon has some power as well,that the solari are purposefully leaving something out in their teachings just found a manuscript that obviously someone tried to destroy(and someone else tried to hide),that tells her that she was right,of course she would be excited about that.

Meh, fine. Fine. Lets just skip this part and move on. Now she sees an old woman and helps her get to the top of the mountain in a single day (sry, night). While everyone else that did that, it took them days. Fuck consistency right?

The lore itself says that such a feat should be impossible,so obviously something supernatural is going on.

Ok, lets move on after that entire hentai plot. Diana goes into a cave where she randomly finds her armor and power and learns about the moon&sun together.

But what's the problem with this? ITS A FUCKING CAVE. The supposed side she's siding with is one that Worships the MOON. Does the moon shine in a cave? Of course not. It makes no sense for a cult that is worshiping an astronomical element, such as a moon have its "temple" in a place where that element itself cannot reach. At least the last lore made sense. Moonlight was going inside that temple. But this one is in a CAVE. There's barely any light in a cave. I'll let it slide that she used her mark on her forehead as a flashlight to walk though the CAVE. But having artifacts of a cult that worships the moon IN A CAVE. Its stupid. Just as stupid as having a book about the moon in the library of a cult that worships the sun.

Mt.Targon is a place filled with monsters a cave gives some natural protection against that. Also it doesn't describe the temple in that much detail,the cave could have holes in its ceiling allowing moonlight into it. Not to mention that the lunari had likely multiple temples in the past and the solari destroyed them all.The fact that this one was inside a cave was likely the reason why it was overlooked in the first place.

Not to mention that Diana still had visions at that point,so who knows if this temple was really there or if diana was just high eer i mean if the temple was just part of her visions

Ok, now she comes back to her peeps. Trying to "share" her new found wisdom.

Now, this doesn't sound problematic by default, not until you read Leona's new lore which says:

She was called to meet up with Diana and escort her. While Diana was greeted directly by Leona. Adding the 2 together we have either: a) inconsistent story telling which hurts the lore b) someone is able to predict the future in the solari circle. That someone is also important enough to issue orders to "the master of the Ra-Horak". Which also means that someone was able to predict that the elders will get killed, that diana will go missing, that leona will go hunting and everything so on. Which also means that person is evil as the he or she allowed for the future made it as the sun and the moon to be separated.

To be fair, I'll pick a) since there's no further notes suggesting or foreshowing a mastermind with control over time in their ranks. For such a heinous crime, death.

Leonas lore does mention that the Solari have a seer among the elders and like its usually the case with seers,they can only predict small tidbits of the future. The seer might have known that Diana was coming to them with the lunari symbol on her head,but wouldn't know anything else.

Ok, so at this point. We have Diana. The girl that learned of how important the solari and lunari should work together. Obviously the elders are to close minded and say her punishment is death.

Which is pretty much what happened in the old lore as well... Whatever was the reason for the solari to hide the existence of the lunari,was likely the reason why they wanted to kill diana.

What doesn't make any fucking sense is [...] The elders were dead and Leona lay on her back.

Ok, she's shocked because the elders chosen to refuse her belief. But what she does for that is murder everyone. Like what the fuck? This sounds like a woman with super powers on her period rather than anything else. It makes no sense, its illogical and it goes against her character described earlier on the story.

She was described as a lovely and helpful young girl, albeit sarcastic and rebel. There was NOTHING to suggest such a behavior, a "LETS MURDER EVERYONE when they don't agree with me" type of behavior. What I got from this is that the writer was trying to desperately copy a part of her lore. However its vastly different. Before we had betrayal, we had conspiracy. We had a reason for such a depth feeling such as vengeance and hated to occur. But now we don't. Diana herself was presented as being a "good girl". The moon itself was presented as being a "good entity". Both of them understanding the need to work together with the Solari circle. And the Solari elder idiots. Not even if she was on her period should such a behavior occur. It was totally out of place and forced. I suppose this is what you call an "asspull". What her destiny might be is unknown, but Diana will find it, whatever the cost.

Leonas sun powers are seemingly inherently malicious,so why would it be so odd if the same went for Dianas moon powers?There is nothing that says that her moon powers are purely good. Not to mention that the circumstances weren't really different from her old lore,just like in the old lore she was threatened with a death sentence after she had finally proven that the lunari existed(after years of being shunned and punished for it).

You see the whole situation only in black and white,just because Diana would help an old lady in need doesn't mean that she didn't built up any anger in all those years.

In fact I'd say the old version is even worse about this because Diana basically projected her hatred onto the solari as a whole,which is rather irrational as most of the solari had nothing to do with the things that happened in her lore(kinda reminds me of sasuke uchiha...)

Her character took a 180 degrees turn.

I agree with that,the change of character seems a bit forced especially since she is still her bitter self in the game. It looks like riot tried to please the fanbase that always portrayed diana as a just hero and leona and the solari as villains.

Valaran Nara2/28/2016, 4:31:21 AM1 votes

So, usually I respond to whole posts, but for the sake of keeping my brain from scattering to the cosmos, I'll focus on one part.

The part where she kills the leaders.

The thing is, Diana didn't even KNOW she had powers. She was just as shocked that she killed them as much as you are. She had no forewarning in her mind ( I mean, did she even look in a mirror before talking to the elders), that she had such power. Her anger got the best of her, and when she opened her eyes, there was chaos.

I mean, Cyclops from X-men can shoot eye beams. If you take off his shades, they happen, regardless of what he desires. He had to find a way to control his powers. Diana didn't even realize she had any.

Also, by this point, we can say the strings of fate was pretty much at the wheel for a lot of what was going on for Diana and Leona. The only person who wasn't pulled along to get to his transformation was Atreus, and that's because you must PROVE yourself to become Pantheon. It appears Diana and Leona had this fated for them maybe before they were born.

InHaruhiWeTrust2/26/2016, 8:25:09 PM1 votes

i agree with pretty much everything you said, but the part where she kills the elders. it really isn't WTF for 2 main reasons 1. they were going to kill her. it was'nt murder it was self defense. 2. the aspect of the moon within her flipped shit more so than she did, and we all know how compassionate gods are lol the aspect of the moon within her does not control her like it does with pantheon, but it can heavily influence her emotionally state.