Discussion: Void Lore Concerns

Void Kaiju·7/24/2019, 6:47:07 PM·22 votes·14,748 views

Howdy boards, It's me, the nerd whose introductions have gradually become more self deprecating with each post!

Today I'm here to talk about the Void, in particular the potential of the Voidborn and how the current direction of the Void seems to be greatly reducing the possibility to make them compelling.


#The State of The Void As most SA&S regulars know, Riot has done very little with the Void as of late. We've seen bits and pieces. But the only Void-related entities we've seen that have any agency are the ineffable Watchers.

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Aside from that, we have **Vel'Koz, **who acts as the literal limbs of the Watchers and devours information ravenously. At least he has some claims to fame, being potentially the first of his kind and a repository of information: he's a got a mind unshackled from from all restrictions.

What's canon and what isn't for Rek'Sai is up in the air right now. She digs holes in the desert and behaves like an animal and that's cool for her. I don't know how much of everything else about her hasn't been caught up in the retcon tsunami.

**Kassadin **interacts with Voidtouched (or potentially Voidborn) in his story, which is cool but they're clearly creatures who are less than animal. **Kai'Sa's **story and her parasite do the same. Completely mindless, without agency, without purpose. Voidborn are shown as entities designed to be used. They're all different in appearance. What seems to make the cast of Champion Voidborn special is simply that they are alive whilst others like them have died. Not a particularly compelling fantasy for somebody who wants to play them.

And then there's pretty much nothing. Some cool images of Voidborn but no development.

#Concerns About Direction

Are the champion Voidborn going to be reduced to the roles of some of the more prominent units in the Tyranid swarm? Simply heavier or more specialized creatures with little identity of their own, merely the limbs of a higher power? Not characters in their own right but instead representatives of the threat of the Void?

Because as each new piece of Void lore trickles down, that direction feels increasingly prominent. Don't get me wrong, for some (or most!) Voidborn, especially the nameless legion who populate the hidden places around Runeterra, I'm certain it's very fitting. **Most Voidborn don't need to be special. They aren't champions, nor are they characters people have grown attached to. **

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In an RTS, the Zerg/Tyranid player fantasy makes sense. You, in effect, are the hivemind acting upon a legion of mindless followers. But in a MOBA? I don't see people fantasizing about being a zergling who exists to follow the orders of a higher power which sees them as disposable.

But the genie is out of the bottle for the others. They're champions. This means that there is an obligation to make them compelling characters in their own right, even if they are monsters.


#What Could be Done?

I know that Riot has struggled to make their monster champions compelling in the past, but that doesn't make it impossible.

Take this quote by Ishiro Honda

"Monsters are tragic beings. They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy. They are not evil by choice. That is their tragedy. They do not attack people because they want to, but because of their size and strength, mankind has no other choice but to defend himself. After several stories such as this, people end up having a kind of affection for the monsters. They end up caring about them."

This is from the man who was behind one of the most long-lived and culturally relevant monsters in modern history (Godzilla). Even in the more recent Japenese film, Shin Godzilla, featuring a monster so hideous and incomprehensible to us that it is likened to an evil god, provides character to their monster in subtle ways. https://images-i.jpimedia.uk/imagefetch/c_fill,f_auto,h_640,q_auto:eco,w_960/https://inews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/1-a-a-shin-godzilla-1a.jpg

Take for example Shin Godzilla's theme, _Who Will Know: _

If I die in this world who will know something of me I am lost, no-one knows, there's no trace of my yearning (But I must carry on, nothing worse can befall I am lost, no-one knows, there's no trace of my yearning (All my fears, all my tears, tell my heart there's a hole) I wear a void (As long as breath comes from my mouth) Not even hope (I may yet stand the slightest chance) A downward slope (A shaft of light is all I need) Is all I see (To cease the darkness killing me)

it is not evil, but by nature its existence is antithetical to our own. The majority of Voidborn are likely in a similar position, but are so mindless that it doesn't affect them at all. They aren't even aware of their own struggles to survive. **But the Voidborn champions should be. **That should be what sets them apart, rather than their role as "slightly older/larger/stranger than the others."


#My Thoughts on the Matter

Cho'Gath, Kog'Maw, and Kha'Zix all have minds and personalities in their current renditions and the absolute radio silence we've had on them and their place in the world is cause for increasing concern among their fans.

Next to nothing about these champions can be considered canon anymore. Cho'Gath and Kog'Maw's bios both contain information that directly contradicts the current state of the Void. Kha'Zix is defined exclusively by his relationship to Rengar.

Voidborn Champions do not need to be creatures we can fully comprehend. We don't need to take away what makes them alien, or the hunger that drives them. We don't need to take away the fact that they are monstrous.

But the question to explore should be "what happens when a Voidborn starts to become self aware? If it begins to comprehend the horror of its own existence? Unloved by its own creators, without a sense of kinship to others like itself, isolated from all indigenous Runeterran life as an alien entity whose needs directly contradict the needs of the world? How do they survive in an environment that from their perspective is nothing but hostile? How does that influence their minds?

-Vel'Koz has embraced his identity as an outsider, committing himself to study this world until his masters can end it. He is a true servant of the watchers. -Rek'Sai attempts to tame it, to populate it with her own kind.

##**What of the others? **

-Does Kha'Zix insist on adapting in order to be the apex and become impossible to excise?

-Does Cho'Gath loathe the world he can't be a part of and that is why he wishes to consume it and become the last surviving life? Because it is the only way his existence will no longer be constantly under threat?

-Kog'Maw likely doesn't understand his status yet, but what will happen when his curiosity gradually leads him to that conclusion? Or will his interactions with malzahar allow him to form an entirely new Voidborn identity?

There is so much depth to these characters. So much colorful identity that can be hinted at beneath the warped carapace and gnashing teeth.

But the current direction I see the Void headed is threatening to take away their identities and replace them with nothing. The focus on keeping them eldritch and incomprehensible, on keeping the Watchers as the main agents of anything the Void does, diminishes it rather than making it unique. The Void occupies an interesting space all its own, partially due to the lack of specificity. Keeping it impossible to understand (particularly the aspects of it that are born and act in Runeterra) won't improve it, but will instead reduce it to a poor-man's Lovecraft. And if it becomes yet another faceless swarm it will degenerate into yet another common trope and sacrifice a lot of what made the Void something beautiful and chaotic (as Malphite describes them).

But that's my rant. It's been simmering in my head for a while. Maybe my concerns are unfounded (I sincerely hope that they are!!)

#But what do you guys think? Where do you see the Void going, and what promise can you see in these champions that the current lore has left far, far behind?

60 Comments

ModThe Djinn7/24/2019, 7:01:49 PM8 votes

There is so much depth to these characters. So much colorful identity that can be hinted at beneath the warped carapace and gnashing teeth.

I disagree with this. Is there potential depth? Sure. But saying they currently have depth seems inaccurate given how simplistic their vocal lines and personalities currently are.

The focus on keeping them eldritch and incomprehensible, on keeping the Watchers as the main agents of anything the Void does, diminishes it rather than making it unique.

I also disagree with this. To me, the existence of the Watchers and their obscure, alien motives are what makes the current Void lore interesting. It's no longer just "discount Lovecraft" or "random place that monsters come from" but basically a home of ancient and indecipherable beings who have a motive and an agenda and actively act upon reality.

I stand by my comment I said in one of your earlier threads: I want to see more interaction with the Watchers. I'd love to hear their whispers every time I play a Void champion, whether I'm taking on the perspective of the Watchers playing with their pawns or I'm taking on the perspective of the champion and hearing the feedback of my alien superiors. Then the fantasy either becomes "god-like entity commanding immeasurably powerful chess pieces" or "monstrous herald of a god-like entity." The Watchers are, currently, the most interesting and character-like Void entity, so let's build on that.

That doesn't mean that the Void champions can't be characters in their own rights, but rather gives them someone to actually interact with and a commonality between them that isn't shared by the rest of the cast.

FAAtheguy7/24/2019, 7:07:25 PM6 votes

I'm about 100% sure that Riot will come up with something that changes their behavior to separate them from the mindless masses of other voidborn. If anything, Shadow Isles should be a good example for you of how they handle a group of very similar entities that have basically the same origin.

Rodsquad7/24/2019, 7:11:09 PM5 votes

Oh thank you so much for being a better writer than me and putting all these great ideas in one place ;w; im never not one to ask for more void updates and lore, especially with my son Khazix but I never know how to write it out better. This was a great read, and I really like your ideas! I really do hope Riot tries to unstagnate the lore of the voidborn.

BLIGHTBRINGER7/24/2019, 7:53:02 PM5 votes

Personally I want to know more about the whole process in slow detail of how the God-Warriors https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/c/cc/AatroxSquare.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20180612203801 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/c/c2/VarusSquare.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20171215205843 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/2/2e/RhaastSquare.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20171109063634 were corrupted differently https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/c/c0/Deathbringer_Stance.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20170628021945 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/9/9b/Living_Vengeance.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20170628021945 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/f/fe/The_Darkin_Scythe_R.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20170628021945 after the battle of Icathia. And why Varus' corruption is Purple where as his other companions Rhaast and Aatrox is Red..

And one more thing, assuming the https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/6/63/Chain_of_Corruption.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/20?cb=20171215205843 Blight part of Varus' Character (that is seen in-game with his W and R) is still cannon with all the updates;

Camille Ferrøs7/24/2019, 8:09:49 PM5 votes

I think they fked up merging the void and Watchers. With doing that they made the void from being a random almost like a space virus that randomly opens in the universe with monsters to some empty dark place filled with more godlike cosmic entities. That made all other void born just pawns in their random game with Runeterra. Vel'koz now is just slave. All other ones are just random footsoldiers disturbing the random mortals they encounter. Them wanting to create their perfect world really damaged many aspects of the story and this being one that damages mutable champions. It went from an interesting thing to a generic we are evil big-eyed monsters and we want to kill everyone in this world and here are our little minions. It lost its potential to be something else then just an evil dimension that wants the world dead. And the design of the new void watchers is sad. Because they had to make them look similar to the ones that are on the ARAM map and tie them to the Frejlord story so they kept the name "Watchers" And they had to look like that... And them changing the whole idea behind the void born and how they look... They don't even exist in the void the void is no longer the void......

Voidzilla7/25/2019, 1:59:13 AM3 votes

I stopped playing this bloody game a while ago, and I left the lore as well because I was getting tired that nothing seemed to be advancing. I still haunt these forums from time to time though, and I just wanted to say you're doing fantastic write-ups for how to develop the Void (my favorite region as you might be able to tell from my username; also, sorry for taking this if you wanted it Void Kaiju XD).

On this post specifically, I wholeheartedly agree. As a fan of "monsters" or "creatures" in general, there are quite a few interesting angles to take the Voidborn champions from that would give them distinct personalities. Just off the top of my head, some ideas I had: Chogath: An old, ancient Voidborn, monstrously powerful but also incredibly sinister. The same as his old lore suggested that the Summoners didn't really control him and he simply tolerated them for the time being, I think that should be transferred over to his relationship with the Watchers. He could arguably be the strongest Voidborn active on Runeterra; however, he's also the most mentally-distant. He's no longer really under the Watcher's influence but is still using the powers they granted him to his own ends. A weapon with a mind of his own, who could just as very well end Runeterra as he can the Void & his former masters. KogMaw: I think little Kog'Maw is most prominently defined by him being an alien child who's exploring the world. His character should most likely be one where he's simply curious, but the way he explores just happens to be antithetical to our way of life. If he ever gets a VO update, I would like to hear him grow more mature as he levels up, where he starts just gurgling and uttering simple phrases before forming more complex thoughts. From there, he might be the most "native" Voidborn; he's alien, but he sees Runeterra as his home, and so doesn't have nearly the same disregard for it that Vel or Cho may have. He's cute in an eldritch way. On another extreme, he could flip the entire "Lovecraftian" trope on its head - instead of us mortals going mad from the grand view of the cosmos, it is the cosmic entity that goes mad from us. Maybe Koggles acts as the outsider, constantly puzzled by this world. Khazix: I honestly like Kha'Zix's characterization as it is - the personification of an alien apex predator. He's ravenous and cunning and efficient and bloodthirsty simply because he is. In terms of his relationship to the Watchers/the Void as a whole, I think he could be a representative of the Void literally evolving, becoming something greater than what it was intended for. Kha'Zix isn't adapting for some ulterior purpose, he's doing it for himself.

Just mainly wanted to drop by to say you're doing a fantastic job theorizing about how the Void can be developed in an actually compelling way. Keep up the great work.

WackoWoods7/25/2019, 1:42:48 AM3 votes

I personally feel as though my main Velkoz has some serious lore twist potential, but maybe its just me. Basically he's a creature sent by the void to gather information for them, getting smarter as he does, and giving that info to the void. His lore and especially voice lines make it sound as though he is getting a near insatiable lust for knowledge, and as he is free thinking (unlike other voidlings) I feel as though Vel'koz may realize that he cannot have the void destroy Runeterra. While i'm unsure if he would help the humans fight the void, it feels like it would only make sense for him to try to stop giving over his information to them. Remember his old story where he had no trouble slaughtering his fellow voidlings because they got in the way of his research? I don't think it is still canon anymore, but if it is, it backs me up. In his current story, he is quoted saying "A universe of knowledge surrounds me, of great power and distant lands, and I shall collect it all." This could be interpreted to mean not even the void will stand in his way of information should the void attack Runeterra again. His story right now is alright, but making one voidling unaffiliated with the void (especially one so powerful) could be extremely interesting. Just my thoughts of course.

YaraUwU7/25/2019, 10:33:37 AM3 votes

Im still disappointed about Kaisa there was so much potential to create something amazing and we got purple zero suit samus instead.

Look i love boobs as much as the next girl. But what the actual hell was kai'sa? The character failed to impress on all fronts and im still upset a void character that could have been so interesting ended up being a human wearing a body suit. I honestly think the design plan for her was to create something they could easily shit 15 skins out for.

I think the fact that i know there are so many people at riot that could have created such a better champion from her concept is what upsets me the most.

Seeing riot squander a chance for someone to imagine up something so creative, amazing and enjoyable is really upsetting.

CasterGilgamesh7/25/2019, 6:29:08 PM2 votes

im kinda confused on Kaisa lore she survived in the void but i thought the void didnt have a true "physical" form i just asumed the void was a place more akin to "living" energy and that all monsters just gained a physical form in order to exist in our plane of existence

Rebonack7/28/2019, 2:58:23 AM2 votes

I think my two biggest gripes with the Void Lore at the moment are as follows.

  1. The Watchers are the only actual Void natives. That feels like a bad move to me. I feel like cleaving a bit closer to the older lore and having the Void filled with ineffable, immaterial beings that can potentially manifest in physical reality leaves way more room for interesting characters to explore.

  2. We were told that the Void is not an upgrade, contradicting old lore, even stuff as recent as Nami's comic. Then we were immediately given Kaisa, who is an exception to the 'Void is not an upgrade' rule. It required completely rewriting Kassadin and leaving Malz' power source incoherent. And for... what? Just so Kaisa can be extra special?

Otherwise, I really like the primordial unreality angle. It's an angle on the Void that I've had been pitching on the boards for years. Not sure how I feel about it losing 'primordial creative potential' in favor of 'heat death personified', though.

mrmeddyman7/25/2019, 10:41:26 AM1 votes

If the Void is inspired by Lovecraft and Geiger than I'd say their current motivations are perfect. The machinations of Lovecraft especially are so terrifying because their motivations are unknowable - a gap in understanding between humanity and the occult leaves out any possibility for compromise. The Watchers have only known silence and our existence is unacceptable to them the Voidborn are instruments of their will further removing us one step from them. It's actually perfect the way it is imo.

Having the Voidborn be autonomous or sentient and question their existence or their masters moves the whole thing towards a "woe is me" scenario that I really don't care to see explored

JackMcCarry7/31/2019, 5:23:49 AM1 votes

I kinda imagined them as just wild animals with different levels of intelligence. Vel'koz - of course - being one of the smartests of the void kind, while Rek'sai being more of a primitive species, kinda like modern day Apes vs Crocodiles, apes evolved to be smarter, but crocodiles stayed primitive because their design was good enough to not change over time.

I dont mind some higher threat pulling the strings or making plans for invasion, but i'd like their animalistic nature to stay in some form, IMO Rek'sai is one of the most thrilling outer wordly designs Riot made, a sand shark that isnt really evil, it's just a primal beast humans (rightfully) see as a monster.