What I think Demacia is like

Professor Picke·Sep 10, 2016·4 votes·1,440 views

It's made pretty clear that Demacia is all about justice. Which means that Demacia is a land of law, and order. While these laws do somewhat inhibit the growth of military technology, they're only there to restrict evil laws, like that of the deplorable human experimentation going on in Zaun. These laws do reduce Demacia's military technological development, but more than make up for it as it's greatest recruitment tool. It gives Demacia the moral high ground; Demacia fights for good, and Noxus is the evil to be exterminated. Naturally, a new enemy for Demacia is a blessing to it's military leadership. This exposes an inherent hypocrisy to the Demacian military. Military leaders have a incentive for finding more "evil" to destroy, as when they do, they become more powerful. This means that we can expect Demacian leadership to secretly foster conflict for their own agenda.

Other than that, Demacia's a pretty normal place in it's time; The strong still pray on the weak in whatever way they still can. There are probably much more restrictions than a normal country for the sake of justice. (it's probably getting a little out of control at this point.) I personally believe that government intervention always fails, and ends up hurting the people you are trying to help most. Laws may restrict the powerful from abusing their power, but they also often tend to restrict the weak from gaining any power too. That's why I imagine Demacia as a place where the poor stay poor, and the rich stay rich. It may be a stable country, but it's an inefficient country. (It would explain that why Demacia has many more allies and territories than Noxus, and still isn't flat out winning.) Also, like all kingdoms, government tyranny is always a looming problem; Especially in one that likes to make a lot of laws. Luckily Jarven IV appears to be a benevolent, and effective leader.

"Demacian worms! They parrot kind words, but they are ruthless all the same." -Sion

15 Comments

TattersallSep 10, 20163 votes

I imagine that Demacia has extremely harsh punishments for even small crimes, leading to a lower crime-rate. Do note that I say "extremely harsh" to mean things like public lashing, banishment, unreasonably long prison times, and execution. I do think that Demacia could become a villain at any moment, but for now J4 is a good leader.

LordHippomanSep 11, 20163 votes

That's what gets heavily implied sometimes, and in Fiora's lore, at least, seems to be true, but there's an old JoJ issue where Sivir gets arrested for drunk driving (the JoJ was odd.) and just gets a "slap on the wrist". And she's a former Noxian mercenary, at least at the time that story was written.

Of course, a lot of that is old canon, so we'll see what changes.

TattersallSep 11, 20162 votes

Y'know, I hear things like "Sivir gets arrested for drunk driving" and I instantly want to go to the wiki and read all of the JoJs. But then I realize that if I do that, all the canon and non-canon will get messed up in my head and I'll eventually be reduced to the guy who stalks the boards complaining about how the old Targon lore is better than the new Targon lore.

Feels bad man. [zombie-nunu-bummed]

LordHippomanSep 11, 20161 votes

If you don't want to be tempted by reading the whole thing, I can just quote the Sivir one.

For those whose memory is less than stellar, Sivir was arrested last October after going for an alcohol-induced joyride in a hex-tech conveyance, terrorizing her two passengers and a host of pedestrians. She was arrested by Demacian authorities shortly afterwards, if you remember the hype, and she stood trial just the other day. Judge Haley Suede took pity on Sivir's "I'm just a lonely girl with personal problems" defense and sentenced the Champion to 90 days in a Demacian penitentiary, with time spent in the Fields of Justice not counting towards her sentence. Listen, I love our Champions – they pay my bills – but one thing I can't stand is the way they're given special dispensation by the courts. If I'd done the same thing, I would be in jail for the next 18 months, and not in a cushy part of the prison.

It is basically a lengthy Paris Hilton joke but it is (was?) canon.

Also there's one where Twisted Fate falls off a stool and farts. I like the JoJ a ton, but a lot of the stories were just jokes. And I think that's okay, League's a game with a gyrocopter hamster, doesn't need to take itself too seriously.

exiledFromBadmenSep 11, 20161 votes

Hush I still miss the old Leona

Tychusfindlay919Sep 11, 20161 votes

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I imagine that Demacia has extremely harsh punishments for even small crimes, leading to a lower crime-rate. Do note that I say "extremely harsh" to mean things like public lashing, banishment, unreasonably long prison times, and execution. I do think that Demacia could become a villain at any moment, but for now J4 is a good leader.

Extremely harsh punishments usually don't deter crime (unless the crime is petty in nature). We have stats in the current world to prove this.

GreenLoreSep 25, 20161 votes

Actually it is a bit more complicated. There are lots of records where harsh punishments have caused the crime rate to drop. Its just that there are many different reasons for a high crime rate and harsh punishments are limited in what they can achieve,so it depends on the individual situation.

Nice FellowSep 11, 20162 votes

Pretty sure it would be corrupt up at the top with people with power.

Professor PickeSep 10, 20161 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/PZfxNbgt-what-i-think-noxus-is-like <-- wot I think Noxus is like.

XIII VanitasSep 11, 20161 votes

I have a lot of issues with your post.

Military leaders have a incentive for finding more "evil" to destroy, as when they do, they become more powerful. This means that we can expect Demacian leadership to secretly foster conflict for their own agenda.

No, they don't. Population is not an infinite resource and the ruling class can't economically support the enrollment of a high percentage of the working class. Who's going to make things for them otherwise? On top of that, they don't need to have many enemies to keep themselves in power. Channelling people's hatred towards one external menacing force, like Noxus, is more than enough to keep the Nation united.

There are probably much more restrictions than a normal country for the sake of justice. (it's probably getting a little out of control at this point.)

First of all, what is a "normal country"? More importantly, how did you come to that conclusion, what was your reasoning?

I personally believe that government intervention always fails, and ends up hurting the people you are trying to help most. Laws may restrict the powerful from abusing their power, but they also often tend to restrict the weak from gaining any power too.

You're basically saying that you have an illogical prejudice against governments and laws in general, then making a generalization based on that prejudice.

That's why I imagine Demacia as a place where the poor stay poor, and the rich stay rich.

The lack of social mobility of the Demacian society originates from its aristocratic form of government. Either you have political powers because you're a member of the ruling class by birthright, or you don't because you're part of the working class. Anyways, nothing prevents the bourgeoisie from developing (in fact it historically developed in Europe during the 11th century, when there were only monarchies), so the poor can become rich and viceversa, but it's not a common event.

It may be a stable country, but it's an inefficient country. (It would explain that why Demacia has many more allies and territories than Noxus, and still isn't flat out winning.)

1- What is the definition of an efficient country? 2- We don't know how many allies Demacia and Noxus have respectively. 3- Noxus has way more territories than Demacia, it's an ever-expanding empire that keeps trying to conquer new lands.

Also, like all kingdoms, government tyranny is always a looming problem

Are you aware of the fact that Nous is a military dictatorship? Swain literally has a tirant skin.

Professor PickeSep 16, 20161 votes

Sorry for the late reply.

No, they don't. Population is not an infinite resource and the ruling class can't economically support the enrollment of a high percentage of the working class. Who's going to make things for them otherwise? On top of that, they don't need to have many enemies to keep themselves in power. Channelling people's hatred towards one external menacing force, like Noxus, is more than enough to keep the Nation united.

Military leaders have an incentive to create more evil to destroy, because they gain more power when there is war. Military leaders gain political power, monetary gains, and prestige from war, which is why they want Demacia to have as many wars as possible. It is true that Demacia is unified against Noxus, but what happens if Noxus is defeated? Personally, it is my belief that Demacia will simply just find a new "Noxus" to vanquish. Demacia will never know peace, because their military leaders want war.

There are probably much more restrictions than a normal country for the sake of justice. (it's probably getting a little out of control at this point.)

First of all, what is a "normal country"? More importantly, how did you come to that conclusion, what was your reasoning?

1: I'm not going to bother explaining what a normal country is?

2: I was making an assumption. It is well known that justice is a HUGE deal in Demacia, so I think we can assume a place that cares about justice so much will have a lot of laws. I mean It just makes sense.

You're basically saying that you have an illogical prejudice against governments and laws in general, then making a generalization based on that prejudice.

I agree that it is prejudice of me to say that, but It doesn't mean I'm wrong. Government intervention regularly fails.

The lack of social mobility of the Demacian society originates from its aristocratic form of government. Either you have political powers because you're a member of the ruling class by birthright, or you don't because you're part of the working class. Anyways, nothing prevents the bourgeoisie from developing (in fact it historically developed in Europe during the 11th century, when there were only monarchies), so the poor can become rich and viceversa, but it's not a common event.

You're totally right, the aristocratic system would be the major factor for why there is low mobility between classes, not government imposed restrictions.

1- What is the definition of an efficient country? 2- We don't know how many allies Demacia and Noxus have respectively. 3- Noxus has way more territories than Demacia, it's an ever-expanding empire that keeps trying to conquer new lands.

1: Places with heavy restrictions and large government bureaucracy's are not efficient. I assume that Demacia has such restrictions and bureaucracies.

2-3: You do know that there is a map of Valoran. I guess it IS pretty old considering the Shadow Isles are so far away from Bilgewater. We can assume Ionia is at war with Noxus, due to Noxus' Ionian invasion. Bilgewater stole Noxus' best ship, so we can assume that they're on no one's side. The only ally Noxus has is Zaun whom it buys mercenaries from. Demacia has Piltover, and is probably co-operating with Ionia, and maybe Bandle city... I'm not 100% sure. One thing is clear, there are definitely more people who dislike Noxus, than people who like them.

The map: http://whofedthischamp.com/images/uploads/946/League-of-Legends-Map-with-the-champions-10-full.jpg

Are you aware of the fact that Nous is a military dictatorship? Swain literally has a tirant skin.

I'd say it's more like a militaristic version of a democracy where you vote with your sword.

XIII VanitasSep 16, 20162 votes

which is why they want Demacia to have as many wars as possible.

All evidence we have points at Demacia being a relatively peaceful country. They're not interested in conquering new lands, they just want to keep what they already have, which is why they're so obsessed with honor, justice and order.

Government intervention regularly fails.

Citation needed.

Places with heavy restrictions and large government bureaucracy's are not efficient.

Efficient in what?

You do know that there is a map of Valoran.

It has been stated many times by rioters that the old map isn't canon anymore.

Also, things have changed when the League of Legends disappeared from the story and the lore was rewritten. Demacia and Noxus once were city-states, now they've become respectively a small state and a huge empire. The Ionian invasion (that was resolved in the old lore through the intervention of the Institute of War) is still going on and has become somewhat stable occupation of parts of the country.

We don't even know if the old alliances are still canon. I don't see why they should rewrite Noxus+Zaun against Demacia+Piltover, but we still have no confirmation. Anyways, there is nothing hinting at Demacia co-operating with Ionia and we don't even know if humans are aware of the existence of Bandle city at all.

Professor PickeSep 25, 20161 votes

Even if Demacia doesn't conquer the new lands, the military leaders still benefit, even if it means Demacia as a whole doesn't. I mean I could ask you to show me the evidence of Demacia being a peaceful country, but I don't care that much tbh.

Other than that point, I feel the rest are just arguments for the sake of making arguments.

DemiMaxSep 14, 20161 votes

I always thought that Demacians in general where like Race Horses, running throught their own little tunnel in pursuit of ABSOLUTE JUSTICE!!!! With ear plugs on saying: "LA LA LA LA LA" as if they don't want to hear what you have to say, and not giving any care for others or themselves. (Don't get me started on Garen , this child lives in his own world of heroes and villains, while shouting his own name, Demacia or Justice, seems like he hasen't gown up, i could spend so much time on why I dislike Garen, but this post is not only about him, but keep in mind that he enbodies what is wrong with Demacia, probably more than any other Champion from Justice place.)

Demacia is all apearance, from the outside they vallue how you look and they themselves must look good, but dig deep enough and you'll find that the core is rotting away and not as beautiful as the outside made it look to be. It might be the place with the least amout of freedom and a high amout of restrictions. They will only hurt themselves by going in pursuit of something good in worst way. It reaches that point when you no longer want to warn them that they are going to hurt themselves, but instead anxiously hope for them to get hurt bad so that their dumb ass can finally learn, but it being Demacia, they will probably never learn.

The poor are looked down upon by higher ranked citizen, wealth and posture rules the place. I remember that there was some sort of racist or xenophobic act from their part to Freljordian refugees, can't remember correctly now. Demacia might be one of the places you wouldn't want to find yourself in. In my opinion, it's all appearance, no brain. As you can tell, I'm not very fond of Demacia.

TyrekGoldenspearSep 25, 20161 votes

Sounds like Noxian talk to me.

I for one admire Demacia for its efforts to put justice and law first. That means that the aristocracy has to follow the rules as well, and I sure you know about the code of honor all the noble families have?

If it is broken they are dropped from power with shame, like what almost happened to Fiora's family.

And as for Garen, he is idealistic and patriotic, the paragon of the Demacian mitary for a reason.

Call it childlike if you want for sticking up to ideals, but that isn't how I see it.