Can we like, stop bullying Viktor?

Malicious Metal··86 votes·6,268 views

Like holy hell. I disliked Ekko from the getgo but the way he talks to Vik as if he's everything evil in Zaun makes me hate that brat even more. Seems Viktor's misguided vision to help humanity transcend their weak mortal bodies is way more eeeevil than Mundo outright murdering folks.

Not to mention Project Ashe having nothing to say to Vik than hateful slander.

Can we like get some other sources to characterize Viktor other than people who outright despise him? Ever since Jayce's release Viktor's entire character has been mistreated as some kind of saturday morning cartoon villain, with no proper Lore piece to say otherwise and fans of the Machine herald have to try and defend him every time. Like, people actually think he's pure evil based on the sole fact that in an AU he created the Battlecast, some even think Creator Viktor is the REAL Viktor.

So, Zaun Event where? And I swear I'm going to lynch some folk if Viktor's reworked lore will make him the big baddie. We already have Mordekaiser to be pure evil, let some "villains" be just misguided people with actually very benevolent visions and goals that may have been tainted down the line.

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Spicy Rice40 votes

Viktor I AM THE INVENTOR, A BOLD EXPERIMENTER. JOIN AS MY ACOLYTE AND I SHALL BE YOUR MENTOR

Meep Man28 votes

SCIENCE WILL DESTROY YOU, IT WILL BE BUILD YOU ANEW! THE GIFTS I OFFER NOW, ETERNAL POWER, A NEW POINT OF VIEW!

Spicy Rice22 votes

STEEL WILL FIX YOUR FLAWS, YOU'll RISE ABOVE HUMAN LAWS. YOU'LL MOCK THEM MADE MEAT, THEY WILL COME TO WORSHIP AT YOUR FEET

Fondling Gems21 votes

FORGET NOW THE SHAME OF DEFEAT, OUR VICTORY VIKTOR-Y SHALL BE SO SWEET! REPLACE ALL YOUR PETTY EMOTIONS, OR KEEP YOUR BLOOD YOU'LL BLEED OCEANS!

######Seriously though, the make an As Real (Ezreal) pun in that but no Viktor-y pun? I was disappointed.

FiliusCanumSum11 votes

ALL YOU LITTLE FLESH BAGS, STUCK WITH YOUR OLD HAGS, WATCH AS THEIR SKIN SAGS, THEY'RE FODDER FOR MY LABS!

Spicy Rice11 votes

YOUR BODIES ARE SO FRAIL

WE SHALL BE YOUR FINAL NAIL

THIS IS THE EVOLUTION

THE GLORIUS REVOLUTION!!!!

Ebonmaw Dragon2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Spicy Rice,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=58qfxynA,comment-id=000400000000000000000001,timestamp=2016-07-24T05:11:08.398+0000)

YOUR BODIES ARE SO FRAIL

WE SHALL BE YOUR FINAL NAIL

THIS IS THE EVOLUTION

THE GLORIUS REVOLUTION!!!!

DrMundo MOVE, MUNDO UP TO THE PLATE THE DOCTOR'S ARRIVED MUNDO SEALING YOUR FATE.

Wait... this is not a Mundo thread?... Anyways... Mundo goes were he pleases.

Spicy Rice7 votes

STOP MUNDOS FLOW? WHO THINK THEY CAN MATCH IT

NO BAS BLOOD HERE, MUNDO BURIES THE HATCHET

FiliusCanumSum2 votes

DOOM IN DEGREES! WRECKING 3V3S! LIFE IS AFFLICTION, MUNDO CURE YOUR DISEASE!

Fondling Gems2 votes

MUNDO THE KING, END OF CONVERSATION, AND THIS DOCTORS NOT STRANGE TO REGENERATION

Cheekynorth3 votes

PILTOVER PUNIES NO MATCH FOR CLEAVER YOU SEE MUNDO'S FACE NOW YOU A BELIEVER YOU LAY ON GROUND BROKEN TO PIECES GOING TOO HAM? MUNDO GOES WHERE HE PLEASES!

Ezreal I WAS BORN WITH SORCEROUS POWER IN MY VEINS MY GAUNTLET HITS HARDER THAN PILTOVER'S TRAINS YOU'LL NEVER STRIKE BACK I'VE GOT JUKES FOR DAYS WHEN THEY FIND WHAT'S LEFT, YOU'LL STILL BE ABLAZE AND YEAH I ROCK THE HARUHI DANCE, SO WHAT? YOU KNOW IT PUTS THE LADIES STRAIGHT INTO RUT HAVE YOU SEEN THE LOOK ON LUX'S FACE? GO ON, BE JELLY, YOU'RE SUCH A DISGRACE I'LL KILL FOR MY PRINCESS, NO ROBBERS OR FAKES FLEE OR I'LL TRASH YOU 'TIL YOU'VE GOT THE SHAKES SO YOU THINK YOU CAN TAKE ME COOL YOUR JETS MOTHERblankER I'M EZREAL IT GETS

Fuzzyears1 votes

Twitch : Is it safe to come out yet? AHH! Vi :One girl wrecking crew!

Cheekynorth3 votes

Vi, a vicious, violent, vixen, voiding vindication Gauntlets of the law, keeping safe Piltover's population Honor, justice, and freedom Yeah what are those? I'm just here to show your skull a few denting blows They say I'm overpowered, oh she's such a misfit This is Vi radio, check out my smash hits (Get dunked!) So when the law comes out, that's just a Vi day And if you want all your teeth, stay out of Vi's way You can beg for mercy won't be able to hear you Resist arrest once, your rights stay in my rear view It's not some fraud related envy, not like I'm just compensating This is simply how the game looks when I'm dominating Run all you want, but you're not gonna get far My punches make explosions like it's fist of the north star A fury like no other, stay back while I solo Baron Throwing more 'bows than a trick (2) Garen! named

BurnSnake1 votes

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Viktor I AM THE INVENTOR, A BOLD EXPERIMENTER. JOIN AS MY ACOLYTE AND I SHALL BE YOUR MENTOR ALL YOU OLD HAGS STUCK WITH YOUR SKIN RAGS WATCH AS YOUR BODIES BECOME FODDEER FOR MY LABS

Cheekynorth2 votes

You got that second part so wrong. It's 'ALL YOU LITTLE FLESHBAGS STUCK WITH YOUR OLD HAGS WATCH AS THEIR SKIN SAGS THEY'RE FODDER FOR MY LABS'

Ethereal3114 votes

Viktor - "Geh, apparently anyone can buy a voice simulator these days. Regardless, those little 'quips' originate from radical Pilts who just want a fight. They're only fueled by corporate schemes to make sure the market stays competitive since no good sh*t comes from Pilt besides possibly cakes. Also, do you have any idea how useful it is to have a laser on hand when you deal with steel on a regular basis?"

Keepe16 votes

Mord = Lich King Vik = Scientist Guy Who Had Invention Stolen. Mundo = Pet Killer. Jerk. Ekko = Obnoxious little idiot who is hypocritical. Zilean = TIME ROULETTE GO!

ModAcademy Kayn16 votes

You have to remember though that we as readers, do not share the same view as the Characters we read about. A majority of people in Runeterra think that Stanwick was the one who built and designed Blitzcrank, when it was really Viktor. The Public doesn't know about his theft of Viktor's work, as much as they know Viktor as the guy who leads a Cult of Machine people. That itself is a very scary thought to an uninformed public.

You also need to take the quote in character. Ekko is a very idealistic teenager who think's he is the one doing it right. He watches over a bunch of Street Urchins, and probably has heard a lot about the dangers of Zaun AKA Mundo. And the most important thing, is that he loves the F**k out of his home city, Zaun. He believes Zaun as a place of inspiration and innovation, not cruelty and obsession which he believes Viktor and Mundo fall.

Focusing a bit more on how Ekko perceives Viktor, his quote "You're everything that's wrong with Zaun", is very possibly fueled by misinformation of media coverage or gossip. Ekko chills with street urchins, who are very scared about what might happen to them one day. While fears like being abducted by Mundo may be real, fears of getting abducted by Viktor is very possibly fabricated by other kids, very scared kids.

Ever play that game Telephone, where you start with one sentence and you pass it on to other people only to have the original sentence not match the final sentence spoken? Gossip works the very same way. A kid may catch wind of someone talking about Viktor, a man who is making other people, and himself, into cyborgs/machines/whatever. A young confused kid, who might not understand why someone would want to ditch their humanity, may interpret this as people being forced into machines, especially when rumors like Mundo are spread frequently. And so, a misinterpreted sentence spreads among the urchin network, as something to be wary of to help keep kids safe.

As its obvious that Ekko spends a lot of time helping the street kids, he's heard of these rumors and due to his determination to keep kids safe, may hate Viktor for all the wrong reasons. Perhaps if Viktor had a nice talk with Ekko, he could explain that he is not forcing anyone to do anything, and that people are choosing to be upgraded of their own free will. Maybe that might change Ekko's mind, even if he himself doesn't agree, but in the end, you'll see that a lot of Ekko's decisions are made to protect his friends and street kids.

Also, in an unrelated note, why are people getting upset that a misunderstood "Villian" gets treated as a villain from people who don't understand him or his past? Isn't that the point of his archetype?

LoL Ergo Urgot6 votes

You make good points. There is a bit of worry that Riot doesn't view it exactly like this though. I am not sure.

This was the last sentence of the patch notes for Viktor in 6.9,

"Opponents aren’t evaporated for making a single mistake, and Viktor gets to carry a fight through intelligent play like the diabolical mastermind he is."

The definition of diabolical is "belonging to or so evil as to recall the Devil."

Betwixt champions painting him as evil (save for Heimerdinger ) and Riot's sparse comments on the matter after Jayce's lore, Viktor fans are left to wonder if during a Zaun event (yes pls) that Viktor will be a stark villain.

Perhaps Riot is fully conscious of your post and has simply to get to champions whom see past the misinformation.

P.S. Rest assured, I am not biased in anyway. whispers Praise to the Glorious Evolution.

ModAcademy Kayn3 votes

I wouldn't take the word of the Guys who write the patch notes as the word of the Narrative Team :P. Riot isn't a single entity after all, and it seems people forget that.

I for one, would love to see someone from Viktor's past arise as a champion, maybe a past lover. Someone who knew of Stanwick's betrayal, but could do naught but watch as Viktor secluded himself away from the world.

Shadowkirby1413 votes

Viktor sounds more like an anti-villain than an actual villain. He wants to do actual good for the world by doing immoral stuff to achieve it. Sometimes he has to force his hand to get what he wants to help humanity from a greater threat like the Void.

It's hard to convince people to believe him, but he's just doing it for the greater good, even if it is misguided and unjust.

Hay5eed12 votes

That just made me think of something. In Viktor's lore, after having his invention Blitzcrank stolen from him by Professor Stan-wick he secludes himself in his private laboratory for quite awhile.

It is assumed that Viktor locked himself to create his new invention...himself, and to start the glorious evolution. But what if he merley locked himself in his private laboratory just to work on a new project, or relax, or just be alone?

And then he discovered the Void. And the only method of fighting back that he could conceive of was to merge his body with techmaturgical devices. We saw what happened to Kassadin and Malzahar when they encountered the void. This is more then just a simple skin tone change, but a biological mutation. Maybe Viktor's augments are immune to the void's effects? What if Viktor is hell bent to transform humanity into machines in order to give them a fighting chance against the void?

Ethereal3116 votes

That's about as interesting as watching paint dry. If they implement that then the entire lore will become 'IT WAS THE VOID ALL ALONG!' There will be no individual struggles because you can just make the case of 'Void corruption' and no one will or can complain. That choice will single-handedly gut the lore harder than the Institute retcon.

Laughing Fish10 votes

Ok, but Ekko even insults Jayce, who is a freakin' Superhero.

https://static.lolwallpapers.net/2015/08/Jayce-Fan-Art-932x620.jpg

Ebonmaw Dragon52 votes

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Ok, but Ekko even insults Jayce, who is a freakin' Superhero.

https://static.lolwallpapers.net/2015/08/Jayce-Fan-Art-932x620.jpg

No one likes Jayce.

Laughing Fish9 votes

You are just jealous. When Jayce enters hamemr time, nobody can touch him. https://66.media.tumblr.com/8456e2c9cb904a4835bc78396e105a6c/tumblr_mlnuqyjfRe1rdhteno1_500.gif

bill849 votes

I like Jayce. Not as good as Galio though.

Over Innsmouth20 votes

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No one likes Ekko.

MrryZ7 votes

I like Ekko

ChaosThief9 votes

silently waves ekko flag

Weiner the Pooh5 votes

Hey now, I like Jayce. He has a very Tony Stark-esque feel and therefore he is cool.

doombotMECHA5 votes

like i have serious issues with jayce like the way his story makes him the absolute hero even though what he did isn't really given a good explanation (destroying the core thing) and makes him seem like every science-is-bad hero ever and then riot made a comic like "clarification: jayce is the good guy and viktor is the insane maniac" like no viktor is goddamn metal perfection f jayce

mike in the box4 votes

Never read Jayce's lore till right now

http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/champions/jayce/

Worst. lore. Ever. Which is impressive since lol is litter with terrible champion bios. Sad since Jayce has a cool kit.

So ya, lore wise, screw Jayce.

revliledpembroke3 votes

Which* Hermione is a witch.

Ralanr13 votes

I don't know, Jayce has a really punchable face.

TurquoiseYoshi10 votes

To be fair, who would really like Viktor? I mean, he's not an outright villain in terms of overall story, but pretty much anyone in-universe who knows of him would seriously dislike him/completely hate him.

Honestly, the way Riot has been treating him is pretty much perfect, in an odd way. They force players to look below the obvious surface of everyone in-universe hating him to see his original lore and motivations. Kinda like what anyone in-universe would have to do to find good in Viktor. If the player doesn't want to see it, then it's their fault for not reading and understanding the lore and not Riot's fault for not shoving Viktor being somewhat okay down our throats in some completely out-of-character way.

TyrekGoldenspear8 votes

Well it's not all their fault.

I love Viktor's visuals, he is literally the coolest cyborg I've ever seen. But his very thematics scream either supervillain or anti hero.

I mean, he has a death ray. If he was benevolent I don't think he would have the need to stick one on himself.

Also Jayce got free press after taking back his stuff from Viktor, so it was Easy for him to paint Viktor as pure evil.

UomoAfide7 votes

http://pro.bols.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/cult-mechanicus-dominus-closeup.png?5324fe Do not fret my children, the Adeptus Mechanicus values very much Viktor's contribution and help to eradicate the weak flesh from mankind.

Sahn Uzal7 votes

#MisguidedSiontistLivesMatter

Ralanr5 votes

Many darker characters have their light kicked out of them by the grand populace. Ekko is a street kid, probably doesn't know anything about Viktor beyond the hextech. Probably doesn't know the reason.

Only those who like him notice the grey. Same with other villainous characters (like Sion and most of Noxus).

True Lizard3 votes

considering he is everything that's wrong with league having easy one shot damage i think being treated like he is everything wrong with zaun is less then he deserves.

Marshbouy1 votes

I'd hate him less if he couldn't one shot minion waves with upgraded E and two items.

Hellen Keller9 votes

Brand Lux Ziggs Leblanc and so many more can also one-shot waves.

Malicious Metal24 votes

Lore=/=Gameplay

SpookyNeedle9 votes

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Lore=/=Gameplay

People acting like this is the Gameplay boards

Doctor Dyment2 votes

He can't be classified as a Joker type villain like Pilitover paints him as, but he isn't really a good guy either. He wishes to forcefully replace human parts with mechanical ones. And while HE may think this is a good idea, practically nobody else does. He may be the hero to himself, but he really isn't one way or the other.

Ebonmaw Dragon6 votes

[{quoted}](name=Doctor Dyment,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=58qfxynA,comment-id=0020,timestamp=2016-07-24T21:21:03.420+0000)

He can't be classified as a Joker type villain like Pilitover paints him as, but he isn't really a good guy either. He wishes to forcefully replace human parts with mechanical ones. And while HE may think this is a good idea, practically nobody else does. He may be the hero to himself, but he really isn't one way or the other.

Excuse me, but he has NEVER forced anyone. His acolytes joined to the Glorious Evolution by their own will.

revliledpembroke2 votes

His lines "Adapt or be removed" and "Submit to my designs" say otherwise.

Qiy4na1 votes

Hecarim is more evil than morde Kalista death to all betrayers

NightmareAmazoX6 votes

Kalista is the ghost rider of LoL.

A.k.a Spirit of Vengeance.

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