Can we like, stop bullying Viktor?

Malicious Metal·7/24/2016, 12:52:27 AM·86 votes·6,268 views

Like holy hell. I disliked Ekko from the getgo but the way he talks to Vik as if he's everything evil in Zaun makes me hate that brat even more. Seems Viktor's misguided vision to help humanity transcend their weak mortal bodies is way more eeeevil than Mundo outright murdering folks.

Not to mention Project Ashe having nothing to say to Vik than hateful slander.

Can we like get some other sources to characterize Viktor other than people who outright despise him? Ever since Jayce's release Viktor's entire character has been mistreated as some kind of saturday morning cartoon villain, with no proper Lore piece to say otherwise and fans of the Machine herald have to try and defend him every time. Like, people actually think he's pure evil based on the sole fact that in an AU he created the Battlecast, some even think Creator Viktor is the REAL Viktor.

So, Zaun Event where? And I swear I'm going to lynch some folk if Viktor's reworked lore will make him the big baddie. We already have Mordekaiser to be pure evil, let some "villains" be just misguided people with actually very benevolent visions and goals that may have been tainted down the line.

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Spicy Rice7/24/2016, 1:32:15 AM40 votes

Viktor I AM THE INVENTOR, A BOLD EXPERIMENTER. JOIN AS MY ACOLYTE AND I SHALL BE YOUR MENTOR

ModAcademy Kayn7/24/2016, 6:04:54 AM16 votes

You have to remember though that we as readers, do not share the same view as the Characters we read about. A majority of people in Runeterra think that Stanwick was the one who built and designed Blitzcrank, when it was really Viktor. The Public doesn't know about his theft of Viktor's work, as much as they know Viktor as the guy who leads a Cult of Machine people. That itself is a very scary thought to an uninformed public.

You also need to take the quote in character. Ekko is a very idealistic teenager who think's he is the one doing it right. He watches over a bunch of Street Urchins, and probably has heard a lot about the dangers of Zaun AKA Mundo. And the most important thing, is that he loves the F**k out of his home city, Zaun. He believes Zaun as a place of inspiration and innovation, not cruelty and obsession which he believes Viktor and Mundo fall.

Focusing a bit more on how Ekko perceives Viktor, his quote "You're everything that's wrong with Zaun", is very possibly fueled by misinformation of media coverage or gossip. Ekko chills with street urchins, who are very scared about what might happen to them one day. While fears like being abducted by Mundo may be real, fears of getting abducted by Viktor is very possibly fabricated by other kids, very scared kids.

Ever play that game Telephone, where you start with one sentence and you pass it on to other people only to have the original sentence not match the final sentence spoken? Gossip works the very same way. A kid may catch wind of someone talking about Viktor, a man who is making other people, and himself, into cyborgs/machines/whatever. A young confused kid, who might not understand why someone would want to ditch their humanity, may interpret this as people being forced into machines, especially when rumors like Mundo are spread frequently. And so, a misinterpreted sentence spreads among the urchin network, as something to be wary of to help keep kids safe.

As its obvious that Ekko spends a lot of time helping the street kids, he's heard of these rumors and due to his determination to keep kids safe, may hate Viktor for all the wrong reasons. Perhaps if Viktor had a nice talk with Ekko, he could explain that he is not forcing anyone to do anything, and that people are choosing to be upgraded of their own free will. Maybe that might change Ekko's mind, even if he himself doesn't agree, but in the end, you'll see that a lot of Ekko's decisions are made to protect his friends and street kids.

Also, in an unrelated note, why are people getting upset that a misunderstood "Villian" gets treated as a villain from people who don't understand him or his past? Isn't that the point of his archetype?

Keepe7/24/2016, 2:17:33 AM16 votes

Mord = Lich King Vik = Scientist Guy Who Had Invention Stolen. Mundo = Pet Killer. Jerk. Ekko = Obnoxious little idiot who is hypocritical. Zilean = TIME ROULETTE GO!

Shadowkirby147/24/2016, 1:25:15 AM13 votes

Viktor sounds more like an anti-villain than an actual villain. He wants to do actual good for the world by doing immoral stuff to achieve it. Sometimes he has to force his hand to get what he wants to help humanity from a greater threat like the Void.

It's hard to convince people to believe him, but he's just doing it for the greater good, even if it is misguided and unjust.

Laughing Fish7/24/2016, 1:31:34 AM10 votes

Ok, but Ekko even insults Jayce, who is a freakin' Superhero.

https://static.lolwallpapers.net/2015/08/Jayce-Fan-Art-932x620.jpg

TurquoiseYoshi7/24/2016, 3:52:39 AM10 votes

To be fair, who would really like Viktor? I mean, he's not an outright villain in terms of overall story, but pretty much anyone in-universe who knows of him would seriously dislike him/completely hate him.

Honestly, the way Riot has been treating him is pretty much perfect, in an odd way. They force players to look below the obvious surface of everyone in-universe hating him to see his original lore and motivations. Kinda like what anyone in-universe would have to do to find good in Viktor. If the player doesn't want to see it, then it's their fault for not reading and understanding the lore and not Riot's fault for not shoving Viktor being somewhat okay down our throats in some completely out-of-character way.

TyrekGoldenspear7/24/2016, 2:23:09 AM8 votes

Well it's not all their fault.

I love Viktor's visuals, he is literally the coolest cyborg I've ever seen. But his very thematics scream either supervillain or anti hero.

I mean, he has a death ray. If he was benevolent I don't think he would have the need to stick one on himself.

Also Jayce got free press after taking back his stuff from Viktor, so it was Easy for him to paint Viktor as pure evil.

Sahn Uzal7/24/2016, 10:14:28 AM7 votes

#MisguidedSiontistLivesMatter

UomoAfide7/24/2016, 1:39:12 AM7 votes

http://pro.bols.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/cult-mechanicus-dominus-closeup.png?5324fe Do not fret my children, the Adeptus Mechanicus values very much Viktor's contribution and help to eradicate the weak flesh from mankind.

Ralanr7/24/2016, 6:51:03 AM5 votes

Many darker characters have their light kicked out of them by the grand populace. Ekko is a street kid, probably doesn't know anything about Viktor beyond the hextech. Probably doesn't know the reason.

Only those who like him notice the grey. Same with other villainous characters (like Sion and most of Noxus).

True Lizard7/24/2016, 1:01:17 AM3 votes

considering he is everything that's wrong with league having easy one shot damage i think being treated like he is everything wrong with zaun is less then he deserves.

Doctor Dyment7/24/2016, 9:21:03 PM2 votes

He can't be classified as a Joker type villain like Pilitover paints him as, but he isn't really a good guy either. He wishes to forcefully replace human parts with mechanical ones. And while HE may think this is a good idea, practically nobody else does. He may be the hero to himself, but he really isn't one way or the other.

Qiy4na7/24/2016, 2:42:01 AM1 votes

Hecarim is more evil than morde Kalista death to all betrayers