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@Riot, if you're going to update Quinn....

Valor Bot·9/14/2015, 7:49:54 PM·33 votes·8,341 views

http://i.imgur.com/oW93Pn8.jpg"

...then should we expect a visual relaunch for her as well?

I know Quinn isn't as desperately in need of a VU as other Champions such as Taric, Poppy, and Yorick, but hear me out on this one: Quinn's been lacking in the aesthetics department since her release, and I REALLY feel she deserves some love in this regard—if not now, at least some time in the future.

I think IronStylus would agree with me too; here's a post he made 8 months back concerning the matter:

{quoted}Quinn and Valor weren't the easiest of projects. There was a fair amount of misalignment throughout the process and I'm definitely to blame for my chunk of it. It was rough in each part of the pipeline. Ideation, pre-production, production, release, etc. This is no one's "fault", this is just the thing about iterative fast-paced game development. Sometimes stuff just happens. No one is at fault. This is just observation from 20/20 hindsight.

That said, Quinn and Valor were the last champions I worked on with the Champion team. That's a little bittersweet. After that "Team Diana", who worked on Q&V, sort of went our separate ways to different corners of our disciplines and onto other teams in some cases. I think we all learned a lot from that experience. I think now we look back on it and say we wish we could have executed differently. Not "better", but differently.

Quinn and Valor to me (lol.. Valor, to me!) represent something I've left unfinished. Something that I want to approach with fresh eyes. Something that I now have more clarity on and I think have a more rounded understanding of. They're really near the bottom of the list. There are much worse offenders in terms of theme, art and design. She's far down the list. However, as that list churns, she's going to inch up. I sort of see it as this weird destiny thing that it's possible that the last thing I work on for ChampUP is Quinn and Valor, setting right the things I did wrong, giving them the respect they deserve.

I was just listening to the new Music of League of Legends and there's an extended version of Quinn and Valor's theme. I got shivers. It's so good. It's touching, then rising, then triumphant then serene. I want to listen to that over and over and go back and ideate with that music surrounding me. I want to find the oomph. I want them to get a second chance.

One funny thing, the site lolskinviewer.com hasn't been updated since Quinn and Valor were released. I often look at that site for quick reference for the old champion models. So, any time I launch the site I see Quinn there. It's so funny that she's where those updates stop. To me, every time I see it, I think to myself, "You and me have unfinished busy, young lady".

Anywhoozle, that's a lot of romanticizing. But hey, even dreamy goals are goals.

Since Quinn is currently being worked on by RiotRepertoir gameplay-wise, wouldn't it also be a good time to pick up the loose ends of her visual side as well? IronStylus seems very passionate about this Champion and I think a lot of us in the community can agree that we aren't very happy about the way she ended up. Here's why:

http://i.imgur.com/b9p86gD.jpg"

Quinn's splash art did not turn out to be at all like the Quinn we were shown prior to her release. Her final concept art depicted a calm, pensive young woman, yet we were given a sour-looking lady with a pair of giant eagle eyes instead. IronStylus addressed this issue during the Quinn and Valor AMA on Reddit a few years back:

Q: Why is there such a difference in "mood" between the concept images and the final splash art?

A: IronStylus - I think it's a bit of a misalignment between departments. We love our Splash bros, they're rockstars. They were dealing with a lot of crunch time and I think there might have been a misunderstanding.

Not to mention Valor lost his unique appearance as well, both in-game and splash art-wise. Originally, he was a hulking bird with massive wings and a forbidding gaze. He looked like a force to be reckoned with. Now, both in his splash art and in-game representation, he's just an afterthought of a bird that looks more like a silly parrot than a powerful eagle. Just look at the difference in size and design.

http://i.imgur.com/46efFz1.jpg"

Quinn and Valor's in-game models line up poorly with their intended appearances too. Her costume was made bulkier in-game, and her face lost that slim appearance it once had.

http://i.imgur.com/fr6ytF6.jpg"

Valor doesn't look particularly threatening either.

http://i.imgur.com/WjiMQtT.jpg" http://i.imgur.com/wBjwjvq.jpg"

This is all coming from someone who absolutely loves Quinn's current in-game visuals. The combination of blue, brown, and gold—as well as the style of her uniform—are some of the things that immediately stood out to me and got me into playing Quinn, not to mention her awesome quotes and voiceovers. And don't get me wrong, her splash art is pretty cool. But whenever I look and marvel at these things that make Quinn and Valor seem so amazing, I'm reminded of the fact that they could have been so much more.

New Champions such as Bard and Tahm Kench have beautiful splash arts and in-game representations, as well as fluid animations. I really hope Quinn and Valor can be brought around to these standards too.

Here are some additional non-gameplay related changes I'd like to see for Quinn:

1.) Chat name changed to "Valor" during Tag Team 2.) Alternatively, default Champion name changed from "Quinn" back to "Quinn and Valor" like it was on the PBE before their release 3.) Recall animation for Valor 4.) Dance animation for Valor 5.) Special interactions 6.) Valor icon on Boards

Thanks for reading if you got this far.

TL;DR Quinn needs visual buffs, and now might be the right time to do it since she'll be receiving a gameplay update some time soon! She's not the same Champion that was teased and is lacking in visual quality compared to other newer Champions like Kindred and Tahm Kench.

31 Comments

A Superb Villain9/14/2015, 10:05:18 PM10 votes

{quoted}

5.) Valor icon on Boards

You go too far!

Joking aside, I don't care for Quinn, at all. I find nothing about her interesting or compelling, visually, mechanically, or narratively.

However, I understand that many people love Quinn, and that Quinn as a champion has a number of problems that prevent her from being enjoyable to play. That she lacks consistency with her initial concept only deepens the grievances. She does not merely need help, she deserves it.

OverpoweredSoap9/14/2015, 9:16:56 PM5 votes

I think she deserves the type of VU Miss Fortune/Heimerdinger got tbh.

Nothing drastic like Karma/Trundle etc.

KoKoboto9/15/2015, 2:27:24 AM3 votes

The first old new comparrison of the face is huge, Quinn's current face looks nothing like the cool one the eyes just look so werid and her face looks fat lol(nothing wrong with fat faces but you know I'd figure being an active scout she wouldnt have a fat face)

Aside from that a small revisual would be amazing kinda like MsFortune or Heimerdinger and I would absolutely LOVEE to see a new splashart for Quinn, then I can die

John Berserk9/15/2015, 6:37:40 AM3 votes

A model/texture update (on the levels of say, Renekton, Maokai, or Alistar; so new model and textures, and maybe some new animations) and a new splash art would do wonders for her honestly (to go along with a gameplay update).

Nothing as far as a full relaunch, just a number of quality of life changes to tweak her into being a better, more fun champion to play as with an actual identity.

Auryiel9/14/2015, 9:13:11 PM2 votes

As far as champion releases go, Quinn and Valor were one of the bigger disappointments for me. Her teaser had me so hyped up for the winged champions and then when they were released... Ugh, I went from ''I wanna insta buy the new champ!'' to still to this day not owning Quinn, as much because of her kit's numerous flaws as her aesthetics.

Dat splash tho :s

Justicetakeswing9/15/2015, 1:58:22 AM2 votes

Very nice, fully supported.

Celio Hogane HD9/15/2015, 12:36:27 AM1 votes

If they do please don't change valor, i like that bird. (but don't own quinn because i don't like his kit and... quinn...)

Tesla Effect9/14/2015, 9:59:36 PM1 votes

All I see is she needs a texture update.

FancyKiddo9/15/2015, 1:33:04 PM1 votes

The only thing that I'd really like is for them to fix Valor's wings in his animations. When he comes down to sit on Quinn's arm, he's got some serious mohawk wings going on!

kunkudunk9/15/2015, 4:11:24 PM1 votes

Honestly I'd like if her kit was less linear. Wait for passive then aa q e aa. If they aren't low enough, wait for cds. If they are keep attacking them. It would be cool if you could sorta micro manage valor as he flies above. Or if quinn valors shadow and then then interact with him based on where he is over head. Could be difficult but it would feel more like they work together than quinn just throws valor at her enemies.

Chrogo9/15/2015, 5:50:42 PM1 votes

I agree with all points OP made, but I think we can safely agree that Corsair Quinn is amazing.

alfavhunter9/15/2015, 6:17:08 PM1 votes

Bug fixes are a must for quin

Valor needs to have actual spells

For example (valor)

Remove their shared Cds

Q is now single target but a 1 second stun + the damage

W is now an active that makes his AAs make the target bleed for magic damage dealt instead of AS bonus (tearing them up with his talons) dealing .2 AD per stack over 2 seconds up to 2.0 her AD

E is now a dash that does no base damage but does 6/7/8/9/10% of the targets missing hp as magic damage

R loses its aoe damage component and its Cd is reduced to 20/15/10/5 seconds available at lvl 1 without a skill point in it, giving valor 10/20/30/40% AS and 20/40/60/80% MS when out of combat or running toward an enemy champion While quin gets the AS from R, letting valor be used for chasing and killing

Valor Bot9/24/2015, 2:21:38 AM1 votes

Please remember this thread is about her visuals, NOT her gameplay.

Queenpin9/24/2015, 1:43:57 PM1 votes

Whelp. I know I'm going to be in the minority here but I gotta say I like the way Quinn looks. I like her VO I like her splash I like her kit. I'm not too excited about her update because of this, but the best I can do is pray that I'll also like the changes riot makes.