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Zilean Complete Rework

Hawnda·7/26/2015, 6:22:20 PM·9 votes·2,688 views

I even made some terrible pictures for show, np. He may be a bit overloaded but idc.

Innate: Chrono-displasia Upon fatal damage is put into a stasis for 2 seconds and creates a Time Warp (W) around him. Zilean then revives with 35% HP. If Zilean's ultimate is available by the end of the stasis he instead recovers full HP. Cooldown: 300 seconds

Why:

  • Zilean can no longer revive himself
  • Lore

Q: Time Bomb Changed Lobs a bomb that detonates in 3 seconds -> 4 seconds Added Damage increases by 25% each second Added Can be re-activated to detonate early (only one bomb active at a time) Removed Landing two bombs stuns/explodes the first Changed Magic Damage: 75 / 115 / 165 / 230 / 300 (+ 90% AP) -> Magic Damage: 40 / 70 / 100 / 130 / 160 (+ 50% AP) Range: 900cast/300radius/100stick (aka the same) Cooldown: 10

Why:

  • Early detonation gives Zilean more freedom on his Q.
  • Not landing his Q is also not as punishing.
  • Gives an incentive for the damage delay that makes sense.

W: Time Warp Completely Changed Zilean channels for 3/4/5/6/7 seconds releasing an aura of time. Allies - Spell CDs are reduced by 1 second every 0.5 seconds (includes Zilean), 30% increased movement speed Enemies - 70% reduced movement speed. Note: Channeled ability - meaning silences, stuns, and knockups will interrupt it Zilean can stop his channel at any time by acting - moving/attacking/casting Range: 300 radius Cooldown: 22////18 http://i.imgur.com/KEDxyp2.png Why:

  • Rewind took up space as a normal ability that only affected two other abilities
  • Positioning ability that when done right makes impact, is otherwise garbage -- fact
  • Allows Zilean to lower his own cooldowns at the cost of movement

E: Predict Completely Changed Zilean places a spell barrier on an ally that blocks the next enemy spell and reflects magic damage to the caster. The barrier lasts 1.5 seconds. Magic Damage: 60 / 90 / 120 / 150 / 180 (+ 80% AP) Range: 600 units Cooldown: 24////16 http://i.imgur.com/IG2paLB.png Why:

  • Second damage ability
  • Makes sense thematically
  • Strong support ability

R: Chronoshift Completely Changed Reduces all spell CDs by 10 seconds and transforms his spells for the next 3/4/5 spells cast. Q -> Overclock: Bomb damage increases by an additional 50% each second W -> Lifetime: The first ally to die in the aura will revive with 35% of their HP (excludes Zilean) E -> Prevent: If successfully predicted, additionally silences for 2 seconds. Cooldown: 120 http://i.imgur.com/bQQerHz.png Why:

  • Gives Zilean a level 6 power spike
  • Keeps signature mechanics (rewind, revive) while staying simple
  • Mechanics don't require ally knowledge, he'll do it of his own accord ( --- enemies beware)

15 Comments

Apex Liar7/26/2015, 9:40:31 PM3 votes

"Zilean has one of the lowest pick rates..." Just because Zilen has a really low pick rate doesn't mean he is a bad champ. People that play him right (50+ games) tend to have a 55% win rate. Right now Zilean bounces around a 50% win rate if you take in everyone that plays him, which is a solid win rate.

"This would be fine if his kit offered..." And what are you looking at when you say he doesn't have a lot of utility? He has 2 slows, a stun and a revive.

Let's look at Alistar, an overall solid champion. He has a knockup, a knockback, and healing, that's 3 forms of utility. Compared to Zilean's 4. Why don't you talk about how Alistar's "kit doesn't offer a lot of utility." Zilen offers a lot of utility, you just don't seem to see it.

"Zilean's current innate" I agree that his passive is pretty useless, I would like that changed. I play Zilean support a few times and I rarely find me and my support with a level adv.

"Landing a single bomb is difficult enough..." I will not debate with you about how landing a skillshot is difficult. This is just an opinion that cannot be debated.

"**The delay on the bomb **" Having the delay on the bombs is to give you the ability to try and stun your target. Now, of course you don't NEED the delay on the bomb to do that, but changing it to where it will auto explode on target hit and then applying a debuff, say "If another bomb lands on this target in X seconds, the target is stunned.". I don't think that will affect the overall goal of what Zilean is trying to do.

"His signature ability Rewind..." His signature ability is definitely NOT his W, its his R. You talk about how is W is only used for the double bomb gimmick,but I have to say that is complete bullshit. I have used his W for the sole purpose of using E on my ally and then myself to escape from a gank. With his E being a target ability, speeding us up is a lot easier than trying to stun 3 people. The duration of the MS debuff/buff is also 2.5 seconds.

"Time Warp is without a doubt..." Im not going to try and argue that the old time warp was better because I don't know what it did. Although, I will tell you, that I can't see how you see this time warp could be better. A rank 1 Time Warp is a 40% MS buff/debuff that last 2.5 seconds, is pretty strong in its own.

"Chronoshift, on the other hand..." That statement is extremely illogical as you say the problem with his ultimate is how other people react, when a lot of successful abilities rely on a player understanding how an ultimate works. Katarina's ult is stopped by hard CC, Yasuo following up on a good orianna kcockup, Gnar setting up a wombo combo with a GNAR! ult.

CharQueen7/26/2015, 9:06:11 PM2 votes

This is actually really nice. It makes him less a nuisance as well as a much more viable member of a team fight! And the aura makes a lot more sense to me. As an ADC main, there is no way Zilean would choose to keep me alive over an AP Mid. For whatever reason, and in every fight I've had, I get slaughtered in half as hourglasses float around someone far less powerful. If you're going to die first in a teamfight, its because the enemy knows you're a threat! So I am in LOVE with Lifetime.

Oh, and as the enemy, I don't have to dance around someone with hourglasses either. Instead, we can lock down the squishiest member, clean up the rest of the team, and then stomp on the helpless returned.

A Miss Fortune7/26/2015, 11:29:20 PM2 votes

If Zilean was completely reworked, which he desperately needs if not a huge buff somewhere, I would hope he would be playable as a mid lane burst/utility Mage. I think one thing that Riot needs is to allow Supports to also be able to carry if they choose to go into that role.

Like Sona, she's a really good example. Her Q + Passive combo does like 90% of her AP with like 425 base damage. Plus I think the auto attack half has It's damage increased by 40% but I'm not sure, she has a ton of auras and bonuses that stack up including her ultimate's passive, her primary passive(s), and her Q itself on top of Lich Bane, I've flat out one shot people. She can play as an AP Mid lane burst/utility Mage, but also can fill the role of Support extremely well. I want Zilean if he was reworked, to be able to do this.

Candurill7/26/2015, 11:47:45 PM2 votes

I agree that his passive should change...but as a Zilean main i highly disagree with most of the rest!!! The bombs are really NOT that hard to hit twice if your good enough, and the stun resulting from it is significant enough that it can change team fights. Id be REALLY bummed out if the Zill man couldn't stun people anymore....his W is amazing for both his Q and E...ever speeded down botlane with a full built Zilean, spamming those E's like its nothing cus of your W?...its amazing... All in all i agree with a rework but what you have done is just too much and would take away too much of the old Zilean i came to love!!

Apex Liar7/26/2015, 6:46:40 PM2 votes

Zilean is perfectly fine where he's at. Why would you change him?

Blade of Justic7/28/2015, 12:24:37 AM1 votes

Honestly, Zilean just needs a new passive.

The rest of his kit can stay.

If Zilean gets changed into this, I'm not going to have a support to play as anymore.

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And now his R, arguably the best utility in the game, the ability late game to give anyone a temporary GA every 35 seconds. While this is good, it used to be better with him being able to W his ult all the way down to 28 seconds, which is just enough to proc it twice in a teamfight, which was really great.

I know, right?

GOD, I miss the old W and R.

I mean, the fact that they took away a reason to just keep spamming W all the time is cool and all, but I was still nice to watch the CD on your ult tick down so F@#$ing fast.

Sorion7/27/2015, 7:03:13 AM1 votes

Keep up the great work, Hawnda! I really love that you're so passionate about trying to get Zilean the fix he deserves. Everything you posted here is pretty great, hope a Red stops by and sees this to offer some input.

TheFirstGokun7/27/2015, 8:56:10 AM1 votes

Time Warp and Predict are novel ideas, but the new Passive and Time Bomb are a bit of a stretch. Having Zilean revive himself passively feels kind of like just tacking Aatrox's passive on him, or Zac's, or Anivia's, or a free Guardian Angel. But does it really matter? Zilean is overall a pretty safe mage even without this kind of ability, so it just feels kind of uninspired and doesn't necessarily benefit his unique playstyle. His Time Bomb is another big change which I think is in the wrong direction. Current Zilean's strengths aren't just about landing bombs and reviving people; he also has some strong map control with the double bomb defense. The mere threat of getting stuck on a bomb is usually enough to deter an enemy team due to fear of his stun, so why would you change that to a Gragas Barrel Roll that sticks to targets? It removes a bit of his ability to make delayed danger zones by pretty much invalidating clever positioning in favor of immediate burst. Not to mention that without any form of cc (outside of his new W) enemies won't give a damn about his Time Bombs the same way they do about Barrel Rolls (Gragas can cc chain you and keep you in place for a fully charged Q, but Zil has to reactivate it quickly in most situations, removing strategic options in favor of reliability). You'll land more Bombs, but they'll feel less impactful because half of their strength was in the threat of a huge stun. Most teams will just charge straight through them and mess up Zilean's face anyway because he has no counterengage outside of a slow which roots him in place and a one time spell shield. In this way, his entire kit ends up feeling less cohesive; Old Zilean felt tight and versatile thanks to his W's synergy with his spells and the many options he had in a teamfight thanks to the offensive/defensive capabilities of his Q and E. This rework makes him a mage who sits far back, lowers cooldowns and dominates sieges with little counterplay (seriously, that E makes Nidalee cry). Also, reworking the ultimate into a catch-all Upgrade! ability removes a lot of Zilean's unique aspects and counterplay. It goes from "Well, he ulted that guy, let's just switch targets," to "Well, he's the only viable option to attack now, but he's also a sitting duck, let's kill him." Lifetime is essentially a team-wide Chronoshift, Overclock just amps up his charged damage even though it's harder to land the full damage on new Zilean because he no longer has a slow and Prevent is just giving a silence to a guy who probably won't even notice when his aoe spell barely nicked your carry but earned him a 2 second silence anyway. Sure, you've given him some cool new gimmicks, but this ult doesn't fix anything. I'm not going to vouch for current Zilean's viability, but playing him is pretty fun even without 100% accuracy on his Time Bombs. He's responsive and versatile, but this rework shuttles him into a position which still has pretty questionable viability and additional toxicity. Playing against this Zilean would probably feel horrible. There's hope for improvement on this idea, but current Zilean is still better off than this. Reviewer, away!Zilean

IxtaliKing7/27/2015, 11:04:56 AM1 votes

He needs a Sion level rework, I'm tired of seeing that clock on his back and him throwing bombs when he's supposed to be a time mage. I know Riot could do something much better with his concept.

Draig7/27/2015, 4:14:43 PM1 votes

I really like this, though the q is much too powerful. Lower the base scaling or the percentage the damage increases by. 340 (+ 110% AP) is insane.