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How to stop champ select trolls

reyjkl·11/9/2015, 2:34:09 AM·88 votes·6,551 views

Ok so I recently had to dodge a game in ranked because this guy wanted to adc teemo really badly even though that role was already taken. Someone offered a free skin if he played a role that was viable and wasn't taken yet he still refused. Everyone in the game wanted to dodge but couldnt because they were in their promos. Therefore, I took the punishment and dodged.

This story made me come up with an idea to help improve ranked matchmaking. One of the main reasons why I (as well as other players) can't climb the ranked ladder is due to people just plain trolling.

My solution to this problem is to create a system where players on a specific team can vote on canceling the game. (4/5 must approve). The players would need a reason why (in this case unwilling to communicate) and an incident report (the conversation in chat) will be sent to Riot for review.

This will greatly reduce the negative impact random trolls have on the game by limiting their power over other players from the start.

Now some people might believe that this system will be abused and teams of 4 trolls will be created to report random players. However, if Riot actually reviews the incident reports they will clearly see what actually happened and if the majority (the 4/5) were the ones being trolls instead of the single player.

Finally, there should be a warning every time a player attempts to vote to dodge. They need to be warned that this system is only to be used in extreme cases and that should your claims be false that your account may be temporarily banned. This would cause 4 man troll teams to stray away from trolling using this system because they fear being temporarily banned.

Punishment for abuse: 1st time abusers: 30 min ban from all matchmaking 2nd time: 1 day ban from all matchmaking 3rd time: 3 day ban from all matchmaking 4th time: 7 day ban from all matchmaking

The ban counter should reset after 1 week of not abusing the system

I understand this was pretty lengthy and if you made it all the way to the end thank you for reading Of course I understand that if Riot considers this system it is subject to change but I wanted to outline a VERY rough draft. If you agree a system like this should be in place please upvote this post. Thank you again

For Riot if you read this I understand that there are so many players and so many games that reviewing each and every incident report would be impossible. However, there could be a screening bot that automatically removes troll reports. For example, have the bot search the incident report for roll calls when the report specifies lack of communication for the reason for the game cancel. If there are no disagreences then disregard the incident report and have the bot temp ban the players who sent it. A couple of these bots for different situations could greatly alleviate the amount of incident reports that come in. Basically have it so that only serious reports are reviewed

58 Comments

MetalGearTeemu11/10/2015, 12:35:13 AM6 votes

PICK META OR BAN.

is basically what this guy wants. Why take risks or try new things when you can just be in your safe meta bubble. :^)

Sammystorm11/9/2015, 3:50:35 AM6 votes

Bad idea with the new ranked queue coming out. Pre-mades could end a game for any reason including a bad comp

Gubaguy11/10/2015, 5:45:14 AM5 votes

ive carried games as a teemo ADC... maybe dont be a fucking hater?

Sicarius Æternum11/9/2015, 10:25:26 PM5 votes

If it was ranked soloQ, you wouldn't be able to get 4 people anyways and if it was ranked 5v5, then its fine, you're probs playing with friends. Only thing i think I would change is 3/5 and not 4/5. If two people are in a duo and trolling, they can just cancel the vote and continue to troll in ranked games. good idea bro ;)[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Apsitively11/10/2015, 6:54:54 PM5 votes

Also, a countdown before players can lock in.

Actually xPeke11/9/2015, 6:47:04 PM3 votes

Make it so that if 3 people vote yes Que can be cancelled (instead of 4) however don't allow any of one of the people that voted yes to enter Que for 1 minute, that increases to 5minutes on the next cancell, and then 10minutes. This would prevent teams joining games and keeping to cancell it every time but not punish those who don't abuse it

brad11/9/2015, 9:15:48 AM3 votes

how to stop champ select trolls:

wait for the new champ select where you will never have people doing what you just described again

YambrinZ11/9/2015, 4:24:54 PM2 votes

So adc teemo is troll but adc kennen isnt. This is why this game has gone to shit.

tkmteam515811/9/2015, 2:36:50 AM2 votes

I think this is actually a pretty legit idea, and i agree that champ select trolls are a problem in Solo Que at low Elo... but the issue is, i doubt RIOT will/wants to review so many games. If you could brainstorm an easier way to target the trolls.. this would be pretty legit. Upvoted

The Mighty Flea11/9/2015, 3:50:09 AM2 votes

This is a really good idea! BUT, with the roll out of the new champion select, this will be a little redundant. With the new system, it is much less likely you will have someone pick a roll you want. I do think this would be great for those extreme cases were you get a disco nunu because people on your team didn't agree with his ad assassin swain pick jungle. Cheers!

AATTRROOXX11/9/2015, 4:13:38 AM2 votes

Put in the post that a tribunal could be made to review the posts along with rioters

MtnDewsh11/9/2015, 5:03:02 AM2 votes

Wouldn't work for people that duo queue and will only go duo bot. Or get butthurt because they both don't get the role they want.

lolptwo11/9/2015, 5:36:18 AM2 votes

This is a good idea and me and my friends have loads of good ideas. The problem is that Riot does not have the man power or sufficient sources to handle all these reports they will need to build and configure another multi million dollar computer and script it just to make this possible. Riot isn't as big as you think. These systems take a long time to make and cost a lot of money, thing is if it doesn't make them money more than it cost them Riot will not do it

TEGD11/9/2015, 9:56:18 AM2 votes

Well i can see why u want this. But u have to remember that "the meta" was created by players , and is not the way that everyone should play , one of the strongest picks nowadays is the adc mordekaiser , that before the pros did it , was probably a troll pick Want a example ? If I want to play ahri top I prob can but if this system was working some people would think its a troll pick and try to dodge. ( What is a troll pick for one is not for the other ) The conclusion is that this system would be totally abused and would create more work for riot , they would have even more reports to review.

Also with the upcoming changes in s6 ranked system there will be no need for something like that.

Kürama11/9/2015, 2:18:16 PM2 votes

You should see a significant reduction in Champ Select trolls with the new Champ Select coming in Season 6.

MilfHuntUnitXJ911/9/2015, 6:53:33 PM1 votes

This is actually more detrimental to this problem than a solution

Teslablade11/9/2015, 7:59:59 PM1 votes

Most sensible suggestion I have read on the boards.

Ryuku Cruxis11/9/2015, 8:17:10 PM1 votes

Honestly they could have fixed champ select trolling, atleast in ranked, pretty well before allowing more than duoing.

The reasons would always be "abuse" (I guess for normals/draft?), but that's kinda hard when you only have 2/5 people guaranteed.

Now that people can 4 or even 5 queue in ranked, it'll be hard to have any kind of lighter penalty or alternate way to dodge, without it being abused.

The excuse of potential abuse in pretty valid now, but 4 or 5 man pre-mades in many MOBAs has shown to not work too well for the enjoyment of the general community, so maybe they'll remove it. We already have a 5 man ranked q anyway. Teambuilder lets you decide if you wanna start a match already knowing the roles and champs of your teammates, imo 4 man pre-mades should stay there, and shouldn't have been introduced to soloq ranked.

Manwalrus11/9/2015, 10:10:45 PM1 votes

I mean or you just wait for less than a week for the preseason champion select changes...no?

BiggerBurgger11/9/2015, 6:15:49 PM1 votes

Well with the new system coming out I think there will be a little less of that. But good idea!

Totalis11/9/2015, 4:14:25 PM1 votes

the problem with this is last pick can troll hard enough to get the 4 other people to vote to dodge the game, even if last pick usually isn't a troll, but just doesn't want to be last pick.

Lintu Puck11/10/2015, 12:54:52 AM1 votes

how could you tell it was a troll? just because he really really really wanted to ADC as Teemo even though someone else called the ADC role before him? doesn't exactly sound like a troll. sounds more like a guy that just really wanted to do something off-meta in a ranked match.

warpenguin55511/9/2015, 3:19:17 PM1 votes

I had a similar idea to thus a month or so back. Still like it though

Maximum Morde11/9/2015, 4:19:20 AM1 votes

Posted in the wrong section, thread deletion inc.

Black T Poison11/11/2015, 1:00:03 AM1 votes

There is one problem that makes this not happen and its because this will be over abused in high elo (high diamond, masters, challanger).

Mute Button X 411/11/2015, 6:40:16 PM1 votes

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Ok so I recently had to dodge a game in ranked because this guy wanted to adc teemo really badly even though that role was already taken. Someone offered a free skin if he played a role that was viable and wasn't taken yet he still refused. Everyone in the game wanted to dodge but couldnt because they were in their promos. Therefore, I took the punishment and dodged.

This story made me come up with an idea to help improve ranked matchmaking. One of the main reasons why I (as well as other players) can't climb the ranked ladder is due to people just plain trolling.

My solution to this problem is to create a system where players on a specific team can vote on canceling the game. (4/5 must approve). The players would need a reason why (in this case unwilling to communicate) and an incident report (the conversation in chat) will be sent to Riot for review.

This will greatly reduce the negative impact random trolls have on the game by limiting their power over other players from the start.

Now some people might believe that this system will be abused and teams of 4 trolls will be created to report random players. However, if Riot actually reviews the incident reports they will clearly see what actually happened and if the majority (the 4/5) were the ones being trolls instead of the single player.

Finally, there should be a warning every time a player attempts to vote to dodge. They need to be warned that this system is only to be used in extreme cases and that should your claims be false that your account may be temporarily banned. This would cause 4 man troll teams to stray away from trolling using this system because they fear being temporarily banned.

Punishment for abuse: 1st time abusers: 30 min ban from all matchmaking 2nd time: 1 day ban from all matchmaking 3rd time: 3 day ban from all matchmaking 4th time: 7 day ban from all matchmaking

The ban counter should reset after 1 week of not abusing the system

I understand this was pretty lengthy and if you made it all the way to the end thank you for reading Of course I understand that if Riot considers this system it is subject to change but I wanted to outline a VERY rough draft. If you agree a system like this should be in place please upvote this post. Thank you again

For Riot if you read this I understand that there are so many players and so many games that reviewing each and every incident report would be impossible. However, there could be a screening bot that automatically removes troll reports. For example, have the bot search the incident report for roll calls when the report specifies lack of communication for the reason for the game cancel. If there are no disagreences then disregard the incident report and have the bot temp ban the players who sent it. A couple of these bots for different situations could greatly alleviate the amount of incident reports that come in. Basically have it so that only serious reports are reviewed

It is an interesting concept and here is the problem.

You said the Teemo wanted to go Bot lane though you already had an AD Carry. That sounds like a pretty ridiculous laning phase. BUT, Read on...

One of my recent games, everything in champ select was going smooth. I preferred top but i gave it to someone else and i slided to Jungle. Everyone was happy with their lanes, the game begins. I'm making my way to steal their red with Lee Sin, as i always do(anyone who DOESN'T start an enemy buff in Silver deserves to stay there). Noticed our Top laner was AFK. So i had to cover top lane after i took the buff.

Well, i wrecked their top laner. I was able to kill their laner, scrounge up some Jungle camps and even give mid a few successful ganks. Mid game we were powerful enough to either pick someone off and then win a 4v4 or just split push them to death. We were victorious. After game i said, 'the reason we won is because we played carefully, if we had all 5 of us we would have made more stupid decisions'. They each agreed on my statement.

Now, if i knew in that lobby that our Top laner was going to AFK, do you think i would have dodged que? WHO WOULDN'T? But if i knew we would end up winning, i would have stuck with it.

You are saying this Teemo is a 'troll' but you have not a single bit of proof that his intent was to lose you the game. Perhaps you should get off your high-horse and try something new, and stop falling head-over-heels for the 'meta'!

To comment on your actual idea, it would be difficult for justice to be served. Many situations would be 'Wow they have an OP team. Everyone dodge' and the team agrees to dodge que. You said there would be a penalty for doing this - now they have to weigh the odds - would they rather toss their promos or risk getting banned? Tough decisions in the heat of the moment. This is a complicated idea and would need tweaking to be seriously considered. I never said it was bad, it just needs fine-tuning to be efficient. But i also don't see your proof that the Teemo was a 'troll'.

Anywho, people are quick to classify others as 'trolls'. Someone step up and tell me that you have never once in your life been called a troll. I'd feint in amazement.

Ruśo11/12/2015, 12:51:49 AM1 votes

This would be a great idea except: Riot dont give two shits about anything that dont have to do with money, so they wouldnt set an entire team of ppl to just reading these troll reports.

WillLink10111/14/2015, 12:27:13 AM1 votes

I agree, this would be a great idea.

Tarista11/21/2015, 2:15:46 AM1 votes

What would be nice is to have an option where we can choose not to have an alternate role, and have a longer queue because of it. If that person wanted to Teemo adc so badly he wouldn't have to try to steal someone elses role just because he got his alternate role. [slayer-jinx-wink]