Raisiel, The Lightning Kitsune

I recall seeing this on the forums. It's clear you put time and effort into this.

One minor point for Supercharge. Terrify is neither listed nor mentioned in the section about Supercharges interaction with CC types.

Roots are not included either.

I for one think that Raisiel would be a great addition to the roster of League champs. However, I can see what Noctis Lunaris is saying about her differences to Ahri.

While there are cultural differences, the average League gamer is nor going to readily understand that as they play her and it is a possibility that most may fail to see her as her own champion, but a rehash of Ahri with a different kit.

Raisiel could take the direction of the Japanese kitsune and you can integrate more "trickster" like abilities or integrate Inari in there somehow. You wouldn't want to take a succubus like approach as with Ahri because that is largely what makes a Gumiho a Gumiho. They seduce men (eventually taking men's hearts or livers or in Ahri's case, life force) and remain evil. While there are record showing that there were kind and naive Gumihos, the foxes themselves within Korean culture are looked on as evil creature.

You also have to consider the aspects of the kitsune that Ahri has taken as well. I would like to think that her orb is a representation of the hoshi no tama. Charm would represent Kitsunetsuki, unless you want to make it extremely specific and limit an ability to only damaging male champions while damaging and have a status debuff on female champions. Fox fire as the name suggests covers the fire kitsune, so nice choice on Raisiel using lightning magic.

There are some minor details that need to be fiddled with in terms of Raisiel's model if she were to be a champion. IF we're super rigid on authenticity, Raisiel wouldn't be "golden". That would signify that she already has nine tails by Japanese folklore. She would probably just a blond or maybe even another colour entirely. While kitsunes can use lightning, they can also shapeshift into their fox form, create illusions, become invisible, etc. So you can take some other aspects and maybe craft Raisiel into becoming a stealth-based mage.

You've spent some time on Raisiel and it shows, but I think to fine tune her concept more, you're going to have to get real anal about her details and what makes her different from Ahri because one can easily argue that they're just Asian fox-ladies.

On another note, datloredoe. I really liked it. ;m;

Regards!

After seeing a lot of back and forth points regarding similarities and differences, I can see that it boils down to what would have to be an alteration in Raisiel's class to create a fine line between her and Ahri. The similarities between them in terms of the physical attributes (tails and ears) can't be placed further apart than what they are because that's dealing with the species itself. The same goes that they have to have a connection to magic of some sort.

What I can do is take a different turn on how Raisiel fights by combining the magical nature of Kitsunes with a more physical aspect, and at the same time, outfit Raisiel with more distinct apparel to reflect on that. It would be something to the effect of how yordles have the same traits, but what sets them apart is best attributed to their signature weapons and classes. Such an example is that of Poppy and Tristana, of how they look like they very well could be sisters, but what sets them apart is that they have their own personalities and ways of fighting. That, and of course their weapons and outfits to reflect their respective classes.

The base aspects of physical appearance are of course going to be very similar by species, as well as having some magical attributes. However, if I change the way they fight a step further, that would keep the theme of "magical fox lady" while displaying that they can have very different natures even while being closely related. It would probably be something like Raisiel channeling her power into a physical weapon while being more of a tanky-ish close-range mage/fighter vs Ahri's squishy mage/assassin. It keeps together what Gumihos and Kitsunes can do while changing how they do it.

The common theme here founded mainly on their races, and the traits that come with them. That means their roles would have to be the biggest thing that sets them apart, like the aforementioned yordles. Or even the ninja theme between Zed, Shen, Akali, and Kennen. They're all masked ninjas with mobility and use the same resource, but what sets them apart are the weapons they use and their specialties (tanking, fighting, assassinating, chaining marks).

So what do you think of a version of Raisiel where she uses a physical weapon combined with her own power that brings her closer to the fight? A more distinct feel from Ahri while keeping the important aspects of their similarities intact?

With a lot on my mind and plenty going on, I've finally had a half hour to think a lot more lucidly. And with that time and a lot of heavy consideration, I've decided to cancel these changes with Raisiel.

Both Ahri and Raisiel have fox ears and tails, but as far as comparisons go, that's about it. They are very similar races, so of course they are going to look alike in those aspects. Thus, that fulfills this "they don't have anything keeping the idea of Fox-Women consistent" deal.

As for "Say they added a Thunderbird and an actual fiery Phoenix. They have to share a space with , yet have to be unique while getting a somewhat consistant theme across visually. They would succeed by having them get an "Elemental Bird" theme across, yet be unique in that they have seperate playstles because of the different elements." -- Well... Replace "bird" with "fox" and there you go. Ahri uses souls and fire, Raisiel uses lightning. Same theme with playstyle and elemental differences: check.

"What does she bring to the visual space (Fox-Woman of myth) that Ahri doesn't?"

Lightning, speed, and different number of tails. For anything else, the previous part says it. If a bird is going to be a bird despite different elements, the same will be for foxes.

"How does Spirit energy relate to Lightning magic? Simply slapping the "Magic" tag on both doesn't work. Until that connection can be made, Rasiel feels disconnected as she can't fit in the same space as Ahri unless you force it."

The theme is they are magical foxes. Not that they have to use the same breed of magic that would directly relate to each other. Having a common theme doesn't have to connect that far, especially when the appearances are the biggest connection. If anything, the biggest difference should be exactly the case of what kind of magic they use and how, keeping a theme related, but distinct. And that's what's been done here.

My example with the Void was not a good one, and I know I certainly wasn't well awake if I tried using them as a point. However, at the point brought up of: "Literally seperated by kit design and small apearance details, yet have nothing keeping the theme of "Fox Woman" cohesive because that's it." -- Well that is it. It's a theme by species they share in common, so that's exactly the point. The fact that they are both "foxy" is exactly what keeps it cohesive. Bringing that up contradicts the point with Anivia and the elemental birds because the only thing hypothetically brought up that's different about them is that they use different elements with a different style. They're still birds, so they'll look alike. The differences would be "literally separated by kit design and small appearance details."

A theme by role, such as the bulky knight theme brought up with Garen and Darius, can extend far beyond into much farther apart differences because that's a role, not a species. You can make a yordle the same way (Poppy) because the theme is universal. The theme here is a different side to a mythological creature, so appearances will naturally be similar, but everything else won't be.

The other set of points about Gumiho/Kitsune traits being parted has already been done, and widely so. Ahri has taken the aspect of soulstealing temptress that singles targets out. Raisiel is more of a speedy trickster that focuses on multiple targets at once. Making her into something of a "stealth mage" as suggested would actually make her more similar to Ahri as stealth is a staple to assassins. Ahri is already an assassin.

As I mentioned before, I see a lot of back and forth statements about similarities and differences, but the points made contradict each other. At first, the differences are said to not keep a theme of "foxgirl" consistent because one's a succubus and the other is not, followed by that differences between an example of alike species should be elemental with different playstyles (which is already the case with Ahri and Raisiel). Then more past that saying she's too similar, yet somehow "disconnected."