Pantheon is... boring?

I wholeheartedly disagree ^^

I never once directly said cast time. I just suggested different ways to make the powers more fun.

Not about balance, people seem to miss that point.

Thank you for the wonderful reply! As I don't quite understand what goes into making all of this I will reply to the best of my ability:

The issue is that Braum blocks projectiles along a single line he's facing, making such a graphic easy. Pantheon blocks an attack from any direction, and it would look really weird to see him block a tower shot hitting his back by raising his shield. It would also be less visually clear if seen from the back: Braum's shield is enormous and glowing, while Pantheon's is not. The floating icons let people viewing Pantheon from any angle see his passive is up. It's a little sacrifice of logic for a large gain in in-game readability.

Fair enough, however my problem still lies with the fact that the shield feels like it doesn't need to be there. I mean why have a shield if you're just going to get a magic aura to block things for you? Maybe the passive doesn't have to be all around him.

League doesn't really support a mouse-slingshot sort of mechanic, and that would make Pantheon's gameplay incredibly difficult. But it sounds like you want a Nidalee+Olaf+Kallista mechanic on Pantheon...fair enough. He's already pretty decently strong though...what would you be willing to sacrifice, and how would you want the ability to work, mechanically?

Pantheon is not difficult whatsoever as is. All you do is click champions all day. But he's a warrior, with skill. So I should have to be skilled in playing him. And It doesn't have to be all of those at once, they were just directions of where it could go. But I see the problem with the mouse mechanic. There's not much I would sacrifice (however I'm no pro at balance so don't take my word on this too seriously), his spear would have a longer range but be able to hit minions. It is his best early harass but with more difficulty to hit the opponents I don't think the damage should be nerfed.

So simply an animation change. Or a potential change to an AoE ability. The first is easy, the second slightly harder. If such a change WOULD go through, however, it's a net buff to Pantheon, because he now has an escape ability. Again...what are you prepared to sacrifice for the ability to now escape over walls if necessary? The change itself is pretty simple: Aegis of Zeonia now becomes a targeted AoE ability that launches Pantheon to a location within range, dealing minor physical damage in a moderate AoE, and dealing the current damage and applying a stun within a very small AoE in the center of the effect.

I feel like the original is just too quick. And I still prefer the shotgun bash. The jump in general is a bit silly.

Edit: I had no counter argument against what you said. So I had a short reply.

...Pantheon is an assassin/bruiser. His abilities need to go off quickly, or he can't actually get all the hits off within the stun duration of Aegis of Zeonia. Working in intended.

Or is your goal to change him from an Assassin/Bruiser to something else entirely? That's fine then, but we'll probably need to completely change at least his E in that situation. Talk to us: what is your ideal version of Pantheon? This is the Champion Concept board: give us a concept, not just some complaints. What would your "ideal" Pantheon end up being?

What I had in mind was a quick power. You hit E three times in front of Pantheon without hesitation and he thrusts his spear in those directions three times, all whithin the same amount of time Heartseeker would normally go off. I have been giving a concept. I've been describing his concept. I've been saying how he falls to far away from his own concept. I don't have an ideal Pantheon, the power changes I stated were just suggestions. They are a push to get changes for Pantheon. I personally don't want Pantheon to feel so boring. I just don't feel like I'm playing a manly champion.

Instant cast half-global jumps would be hugely OP. The cast time is to allow people to interrupt it, and to allow Pantheon to not simply disappear from anywhere instantly, making him one of the biggest split-push threats in the game.

As for why he vanishes off the map? It's because he's invulnerable between the jump and the landing, and because League doesn't have a Z-axis high enough to have him actually jump. The map has a visual upper limit.

I was thinking the latter of what you said but I see why they can't now. And I didn't want it to be a cast and land cough Rek'sai cough. I think his ult just needs some rethinking in general.

Why do Darius/Xin/J4/any number of mana users use mana? As an ability gating mechanism. A Pantheon with free Spear Shots every time it's off cooldown would be horribly OP to face in lane. Thus, mana is used as a gating mechanism. Removing mana would require reworking his entire kit, probably.

As for why some of his abilities have AP ratios? Makes Trinity a little more useful, yes...which is fine. But he's also a slightly old design: a lot of power was baked into his base values, which is why he can build as a Bruiser so easily. A more assassin-like rework might replace that AP with AD scaling, but Panth would probably see his entire scaling reworked in favor of AD builds over Bruiser builds if that was the case.

Well they could always just slap a different name on his source and make it a different color but still have the same function. Same goes for all of these champions who don't use mana. and I was thinking about what they would switch the AP with while writing however I had no ideas of what they could do in turn, I understand why switching to AD scaling would be bad (thanks to you mostly) but I don't have a good idea of how to balance it.

Again thank you for the comment! I will admit I'm pretty ignorant in the makings of champions, but I'm just a player who wants an old champion to attain Glory

Thanks for the input!

Q - It's a really simply ability, click and throw a spear. Making this into a skillshot with maybe a slightly longer range could add some "skill" but it would also make it essentially the same as Nidalee and Kalista.

I see the problem here, but in my opinion it's better then being the same as Ryze.

W - He leaps and slams his shield, another pretty simply ability. A VU would make the animation smoother. Or it could be the "shotgun" ability like you said, where he rams the enemy instead of leaps, but personally I think leaping is cooler.

Fair enough. I do think a smoother animation is all that's needed here.

E - Again, a VU would fix this. I think making it a 3 cast ability would be a nerf, a lot of the time you wouldn't be able to cast it 3 times before it goes on cooldown. The ability is linked to critical hits, so maybe just make the animation do three distinct jabs with the spear in vital body parts instead of a flurry.

My suggestion for this power was that after activating Heartseeker you have a short window to click three times where Pantheon will then attack right after. Not to have three charges that he can use over time. This would make close quarters tense (correct me if I misunderstood what you interpreted).

R - This is what makes Pantheon, Pantheon. His ult is effective when it's landed, but I feel like it's too easy for enemies to simply walk out of the AoE and take no damage, wasting the ability. I'm not really sure how to fix this, but that's a balancing problem not an aesthetics problem (kinda). Maybe a shorter casting time, Pantheon leaps into the air and then drops, slamming into the ground and the damage happens in a shockwave.

I think my problem with the ult was the same as what you had, after reading the other fellows comment I see where my VU was flawed, however I also don't agree with the whole "Here's a giant green circle and a shadow that will appear in case you missed the circle, please move 10 feet left. Take your time."