Vladamier Re-work

Faoline·10/12/2014, 7:56:36 PM·1 votes·804 views

So Vlad has been really underplayed. I believe because he isn't viable in any part of the game. he is just always kinda there. I propose that he recieve a re-work. Here is my Idea. Have Vlad become a stance Champion. Put into his lore that he was bitten by a werewolf and now is a vampire/werewolf hybrid and have his 'R' switch between his werewolf(melee) stance and his vampire(mage) stance. I think this idea alone is pretty solid to get old vlad players back and excited to play this amazing champion once more

11 Comments

ModThe Djinn10/13/2014, 5:51:40 AM2 votes

Just because his name is Vladimir doesn't mean he's a vampire, Faoline. He's been magically infused with the blood of every hemomancer before him. He's a human, and a mage, but not a vampire.

While they could write it in, that could be said of anything, including, say, the idea that Vladimir is a time-shifted sentient penguin god who has chosen to take the form of a mortal human in order to be able to get closer to Vayne, the reincarnation of his long-lost love. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should, or that it's a good idea.

Another way of looking at it is this: Trundle's rework changed the character to fit the world, but kept the kit constant. Sion's rework changed the kit and the character, but kept the same space in the lore and simply fleshed out and expanded the character to fit his original intent better.

Meanwhile, your suggestion creates an entire new side to Vladimir that drastically changes his kit and lore, without really adding anything to him either in or out of game. Vladimir's lore is actually pretty decent (although it could use a bit of revision to tie it into the rest of the world more), and the major issue with his kit is that free healing is exceedingly powerful: even now late-game Vladimir is a terrifying monster...he's just not reliable enough on his way there.

I'd be much more interested in a lore rework that explores who Vladimir is and how he fits into the world (rather than adding things to him in a slap-dash attempt to make his kit work), and much more interested in a kit rework that looks at his current kit, identifies the problems that are causing him to be intentionally kept weak, and proposes fixes for those issues while retaining his feel as a blood mage. This suggestion addresses neither issue, and, in fact, raises even more issues with regards to how his lore and kit would work.

Further, current Vlad players enjoy Vlad for what he is: a blood-draining ranged harass mage with a strong late-game, good durability, and an excellent sustain once he gets past his shaky early/mid game. Your suggestion necessitates not only a weakening of those aspects (as if he was current Vladimir and had another kit with its own strengths he'd be overpowered), but creates an entire separate side of the character that, it seems, is strictly at odds with the current kit. All current stance champions encourage mixing and matching the stances to get the most out of a kit...but nothing in Vlad's current kit is particularly out of place, so he has no real incentive to switch...nor any WAY to switch, unless you're cutting an ability from him.

That said, the best way to convince people like us is to show us a kit. Show us how you'd create a stance-swapping Vladimir that still feels like Vladimir, and show us how you'd tweak his lore to make it seems like a single story and not a lot of tacked-on elements to justify an end result. That sort of effort merits a lot more attention and critique than "here's a suggestion" followed by no ideas on implementation.

Dateline NBC10/12/2014, 7:59:10 PM2 votes

I see where you are going, but there are already champs that do this (nidalee, Jayce somewhat).

Vlad needs straight up buffs, not a complete rework.

Blade of Justic10/12/2014, 8:56:16 PM1 votes

Sounds like that's what a rework would do.

Faoline10/12/2014, 10:38:10 PM1 votes

But you have to consider. Vlad isn't very strong. He doesnt really have a clear role. he is the same weather he goes top or mid. but he doens't clearly excell at either one. and he is considered low-mid teir. I thew in the werewolf thing as a lore addition because hey lore is cool. i mean the whole new siion thing is sweet because of the lore behind it. And honestly its time for vlad to actully do something in games.

XlM6gslF9010/12/2014, 11:00:40 PM1 votes

Underplayed =/= Bad.

ModThe Djinn10/13/2014, 12:18:30 AM1 votes

I fail to see how this brings anything to Vladimir's story or kit, honestly.

Firstly, he's not a Vampire: he's a blood mage. Secondly, League doesn't seem to have Werewolves: we have Warwick, but he's the subject of mad science instead of a disease.

Finally, while Vladimir might need some love, there are things about him that could be easily fixed to allow him to be strong again: his low-cooldown, cost-less self healing with no downside probably needs to be changed.

Even something as simple as tying the heal into his E (making him have to walk into minions and push the lane to keep his health up) and having his free harass have a cost instead of making it all benefit would allow his numbers to be buffed up to a competitive point. He needs some mechanical rebalancing, not a complete kit and lore redesign.

Faoline10/13/2014, 2:31:26 AM1 votes

Um his name is vladamier... he is a vampire. and even so they could just write it in. Its an idea.

Centuros10/12/2014, 7:58:53 PM1 votes

This is quite a silly suggestion.

Also, I don't think werewolves as such exist on Valoran. Warwick is the closest we have, but he's not a result of lycanthropy and I'm pretty sure his condition cannot be transferred...

BeatzBoyFTW10/13/2014, 6:06:14 AM1 votes

So to conclude everything, a male Nidalee. Just no.

And it's "Vladimir", not Vladamier.

PickleBabah10/12/2014, 8:52:37 PM1 votes

Vladimir currently has a cool niche, and creating a whole new kit like that would just be better for a whole different champion. His current playstyle as far as that goes, it is just different from most player's tastes, and differs from the current meta. So no.