Void support champion concept

Impish Yordle··13 votes·2,719 views

So far we don't have a dedicated void support champion yet so I thought of something that could be a neat idea while fitting the void theme. I thought about a parasite-like voidling that is capable of using allies as a host to enhance their abilities and also cast unique abilities when they do. Any damage the host suffers is reduced by a percentage and inflicted to the void parasite instead. The ultimate is the parasite jumping onto an enemy. If it connects, you can control that enemy for a small duration and even use their abilities without affecting any cooldowns (except summoner spells and items). I don't have a name either (I'm bad with those). Consider him a squishy support that uses health as a resource and has no mana. Kinda like Vlad.

I thought about something like that:

Passive: A part of all mana regeneration of "nameless void support" is transformed into health regeneration instead (he has no mana bar)

Q - Entering/Exiting an allied host (Costs a % of current health) While inside the host, a percentage of the damage the host suffers is transferred to the void support instead. A percentage of the void support's armor and mr are transferred to the host. Also the host gains on-hit magic damage scaling with your AP. When the host dies the void support will spawn on the host's corpse shortly after. If the void support dies while inside a host, he will immediately exit and shrivel up and die.

W - Leech/Primal gene (Costs flat amount of health) While outside an allied host: Skillshot that damages the first champion it hits with magic damage. After that you have a few seconds left to recast the ability on any ally which will transfer some of the "leeched" health onto them as healing. If you don't, the health will be given to the void support instead.

While inside an allied host: Cleanses slows and stuns from the host and grants them bonus movement speed which scale with your AP.

E - Living Trap/Dark Surge (Costs flat amount of health) While outside an allied host: Throws a heap of flesh that grows teeth after it lands, also granting a small amount of vision around it. You can have maximum 1-3 traps on the map at a time. They expire after 10 minutes. Enemy champions that touch the living trap are rooted for short time, lose a % of their attack damage and armor and receive magic damage based on a % of their current health. The %es increase with your AP. The ad and armor debuff stays for another second even after escaping. An enemy can only be caught by a living trap once every few seconds.

New idea to maybe replace Living Trap:

Void Spawn (Costs flat amount of health. Cost increases temporarily if used quickly in succession)

While outside an allied host: Throw a heap of flesh which spawns into a little parasitic voidling that will stealth shortly after, granting a bit of vision around it. If an enemy champion comes near its vicinity, it will shriek and pop out to pursue the target at high speed which decays as it walks. The voidling is untargetable and will also trigger when stealthed units are near it but will not reveal them until it catches them. It will die after a few seconds when triggered and not reaching a target. When that voidling reaches an enemy champion, it will cling itself onto the target, stunning it for a very brief time followed by a decaying strong slow all while inflicting magic damage based on the targets current health over time. The % scales with AP. The less health the target has, the longer the void spawn will cling onto them to deal damage and as a result the slow will decay slower as well. You have true vision of the target while the spawn is attached. Once the time is over, it is cleansed, the target it is attached to is slain or possessed, it will fall off and die. Hitting an enemy champion directly with the initial heap of flesh will put the spawn on them immediately. You can have up to 3 spawns on the map at the same time. Multiple spawns can attach themselves to the same champion but the damage for each will be greatly reduced and the crowd control doesn’t stack. Also a stun can only happen once every few seconds when they jump on someone. When the spawn dies, the void parasite or its host can walk over its corpse before it disappears to absorb it, healing the void support for a small flat amount + a % of the damage it inflicted to the target it was attached to. The healing is spread evenly across host and parasite if the host walks over them. Also this ability will have some of its cooldown/ charge timer reduced whenever a spawn is absorbed. This ability gains up to 3 charges as you level it up. The charge generation is affected by cooldown reduction. Using the ability rapidly in succession will temporarily increase the health costs for each new cast. Void Spawns don't react to units under the effect of Void Possession.

(I thought about maybe using something similar to Maokai’s saplings. There are a good amount of trap-abilities already but not enough… let’s say… “dynamic” ones.)

While inside an allied host: Create a temporary health shield around the host which scales primarily with your max health but also some AP. The host can choose to break the shield to unleash a shockwave around them that deals magic damage scaling with your AP and slows all enemies hit by it. The magic damage is increased based on the amount of health the shield had left. The shockwave is considered an attack for the host using it. After some time if the shield neither got broken nor used for a shockwave, it will expire and refund some of the health costs back to void support based on how much health the shield had left.

(Shoutout to GaleWinUnleashed for the health scaling)

R - Void Possession (no cost)

Old version of the ult: Skillshot. Jumps onto an enemy champion, attempting to possess their body. If it connects, you gain control over the enemy champion for a small duration and have access to all their abilities. Using them has no effect on anyones cooldown. Also no previous cooldowns are taken into consideration if you possess them. This ability can also be used while inside a host. In that case the host's position is considered the starting position for the launch of the jump. A possessed unit is still considered a fiendish unit for your team and an allied unit for the enemy team, only that the unit now has friendly fire and cannot damage the team of the parasite that has possessed it. You cannot use summoner spells or item actifs while possessing someone. This ability cannot be cleansed.

New version of the ult: Targeted low-range ability with wind-up. The only way to miss this ability is if the enemy can get out of range in time. You gain control over the enemy champion for a small duration and have access to all their abilities. Using them has no effect on anyone's cooldown. Also no previous cooldowns are taken into consideration if you possess them. This ability can also be used while inside a host but there still will be a wind-up/warning sign. Moving around and especially using abilities decreases the duration of the possession. The possessed unit is considered a fiendish unit for both teams and can therefore be attacked by both of them. Damaging the possessed unit in any way will also damage the void supp for an amount. Allies of the possessed champion that attack their once-ally deal less damage to the health bar of the possessed unit and deal more damage to the parasite. The opposite goes for the team of the void supp. The void supp can be killed by an enemy unit but he cannot be killed by an allied unit and will be left with at least 1 hp at worst in the latter scenario. This ability cannot be cleansed. No summoner spells or item actives can be used while possessing a unit. This ability cannot be cancelled once it is in effect. Post-death passives like Kogmaw's Icathian surprise remain unaffected by the possession. (Shoutout to Peridition and Flameableman for their ideas and suggestions that contributed to the change)

What do you think? Open to changes/suggestions

Edit: Added Void Spawn as a possible alternative to out-of-host E.

33 Comments

BakedLotion7 votes

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Peridition2 votes

I like it. Its sort of similar to Abathur but with actual risk and counterplay involved.

My only gripe is the ult. Its seems like it would be very hard to balance without making it completely OP or useless. Can the void support be damaged while in possession of an enemy hero? If so, by whom? Is he targettable by the enemy during this time or does he share in part of the damage from his host?

Impish Yordle1 votes

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I like it. Its sort of similar to Abathur but with actual risk and counterplay involved.

My only gripe is the ult. Its seems like it would be very hard to balance without making it completely OP or useless. Can the void support be damaged while in possession of an enemy hero? If so, by whom? Is he targettable by the enemy during this time or does he share in part of the damage from his host?

If he hits ult then he is technically untargettable as he is still considered an ally of the enemy team. If he doesn't hit then it's a wasted ult and basically a free kill for the enemy team. The possessed champion's stats are used. But I thought about maybe decreasing the damage-output by a % while controlling a possessed champion to not make it too powerful. Maybe even a hefty health requirement/long cooldown. I overall thought of it as an ability that is very powerful but it can also backfire horribly. Maybe even a constant health-loss while possessing an enemy unit which could probably force the player to cancel the ability early (which could however give the once-host room to finish him off).

Peridition2 votes

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If he hits ult then he is technically untargettable as he is still considered an ally of the enemy team. If he doesn't hit then it's a wasted ult and basically a free kill for the enemy team. The possessed champion's stats are used. But I thought about maybe decreasing the damage-output by a % while controlling a possessed champion to not make it too powerful. Maybe even a hefty health requirement/long cooldown. I overall thought of it as an ability that is very powerful but it can also backfire horribly. Maybe even a constant health-loss while possessing an enemy unit which could probably force the player to cancel the ability early (which could however give the once-host room to finish him off).

I understand a little better now. I think it might be a little too heavy on the risk/reward aspect though. I understand that its there to negate the power of the ability. But either you basically fail to land the ult and you've now fed the enemy, or you did land it and now the enemy team is most likely screwed. Its a little too binary and unfun for either you or the enemy team in my opinion.

My suggestion would be to give it more counterplay. Ditch the skillshot aspect of it and make it a low-range target-able ability. To compensate, make the enemy able to target him while he's possessing the enemy champion. This way, they can choose to focus him or your team. In addition, it also gives the support a little more room for strategy. Do you use it offensively and dive the enemy adc? Or do you use it defensively to possess an assassin going all-in on the squishy members of your team?

flameableman1 votes

or just make the voidsupp die whenever his host dies XD this way you have to cancel just before the host dies

Impish Yordle1 votes

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or just make the voidsupp die whenever his host dies XD this way you have to cancel just before the host dies

The potential of literally getting killed by your own teammates seems a bit harsh in the long run xD. Or maybe the void supp would survive but only with 1 hp.

flameableman1 votes

well this can aslo happen with bad grabs and hooks or a knockbacks towards a low health squishy, maybe if the host dies you get turned into something like a anivia egg. this way the placement of the possesed unit becomes very important and it makes the ult more risky :) but i think this:

OR the void support's health is ONLY affected when getting attacked by the host's once-teammates, leaving the actual health of the possessed unit untouched and the possessed unit's health is ONLY affected when attacked by the team of the void support. But I think the Void support might need some damage reduction or armor/mr to not get immediately bursted down which would free the possessed unit. So both teams are able to interact with the same possessed unit. In other words both teams can attack the same unit while affecting different champions and the unit is considered an enemy unit for both teams.

is the best idea :) gj

Impish Yordle1 votes

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well this can aslo happen with bad grabs and hooks or a knockbacks towards a low health squishy, maybe if the host dies you get turned into something like a anivia egg. this way the placement of the possesed unit becomes very important and it makes the ult more risky :) but i think this:

OR the void support's health is ONLY affected when getting attacked by the host's once-teammates, leaving the actual health of the possessed unit untouched and the possessed unit's health is ONLY affected when attacked by the team of the void support. But I think the Void support might need some damage reduction or armor/mr to not get immediately bursted down which would free the possessed unit. So both teams are able to interact with the same possessed unit. In other words both teams can attack the same unit while affecting different champions and the unit is considered an enemy unit for both teams.

is the best idea :) gj

I updated the ult and gave it a bit of both. It is targeted but low-range. I also gave it a wind-up so enemies are still able to react to it. Both host and parasite now take damage when attacked but with different amounts of severity depending on who deals the damage. Allies of the host deal % reduced damage to their once-friend which will hit the parasite instead. The amount of damage that is transferred onto the parasite is lower when the host is attacked by allies of the parasite. So one way or another the host will share and distribute the damage with the parasite but who gets the most of the share depends on who gets more attacks off on the possessed unit. Void supps also have to take their host's lifesteal abilities into account when possessing them. If you want them dead it would be counterproductive to use the host offensively to regenerate with lifesteal when your teams wants to kill them and you delay it xD.

Impish Yordle1 votes

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I understand a little better now. I think it might be a little too heavy on the risk/reward aspect though. I understand that its there to negate the power of the ability. But either you basically fail to land the ult and you've now fed the enemy, or you did land it and now the enemy team is most likely screwed. Its a little too binary and unfun for either you or the enemy team in my opinion.

My suggestion would be to give it more counterplay. Ditch the skillshot aspect of it and make it a low-range target-able ability. To compensate, make the enemy able to target him while he's possessing the enemy champion. This way, they can choose to focus him or your team. In addition, it also gives the support a little more room for strategy. Do you use it offensively and dive the enemy adc? Or do you use it defensively to possess an assassin going all-in on the squishy members of your team?

Yes it might be a little bit too decisive as it is right now. I guess the skillshot can be made into point-and-click or a very easy to land skillshot. Adding friendly-fire gives the enemy team more room to interact with the ability and it might force them to waste precious CC to neutralize the target. But it would prove problematic in conjunction with abilities like Lulu's Whimsy which rely on distinction between ally and enemy unit to each work accordingly. Unless the possessed unit is simply considered an enemy unit while possession is in effect and a % of the damage the possessed unit receives from the once-teammates is also put onto the void supps health, enabling the team of the possessed champion to kill their own teammate but they can take the void support with it. I suppose the team of the possessed unit wouldn't bother to shield or heal that unit anyway.

OR the void support's health is ONLY affected when getting attacked by the host's once-teammates, leaving the actual health of the possessed unit untouched and the possessed unit's health is ONLY affected when attacked by the team of the void support. But I think the Void support might need some damage reduction or armor/mr to not get immediately bursted down which would free the possessed unit. So both teams are able to interact with the same possessed unit. In other words both teams can attack the same unit while affecting different champions and the unit is considered an enemy unit for both teams.

sparkye31 votes

good concept keep working on it

flameableman1 votes

nice concept i would love to see a void supp. but can you move around a possesed champ? for example if your solo in botlane with the void support and you ult the enemy adc can you just walk the champ to your own turret wait for the ult to wear off and place a trap at your turret for a kill (OP!!!!) or can you just use the adc skillshots and auto,s from the position he himself picks? this would be less op and quit interresting i think. would be hard to balance a champ with such a skill though.

Impish Yordle1 votes

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nice concept i would love to see a void supp. but can you move around a possesed champ? for example if your solo in botlane with the void support and you ult the enemy adc can you just walk the champ to your own turret wait for the ult to wear off and place a trap at your turret for a kill (OP!!!!) or can you just use the adc skillshots and auto,s from the position he himself picks? this would be less op and quit interresting i think. would be hard to balance a champ with such a skill though.

Yes, I also thought about moving around a possessed champ. The idea behind the ult is that if you hit it, you can easily get a kill/let your allies get a kill. But if you miss the jump then you are basically a vulnerable/squishy target inside enemy territory where they can easily burst you down, especially if you are low on health from your abilities, making later teamfights just as easy a 4v5 for the enemy team as for the allied team. Considering what a Blitzhook can do as a non-ult ability, I think the strength of the possession would be justified considering the risks. Also the ability's duration could be at its lowest during the laning phase. I don't see anything to increase the ult's strength as you level it up except its duration or maybe cooldown. Chances are that you have to land a trap to be able to land the ult in the first place.

flameableman1 votes

ahh alright ithink i get the idea, so you jump in like zac and if you land on someones head you posses him right:)?, and you are right about the blitz thing! ( i hate blitz!) i got an idea for upgrading the ult: maybe you can give the possesed champ stacks when possesed. you lose stacks whenever you move or cast an ability or just wait around (slowly lose stacks) with the possesed champ and when the stacks are gone the possesion ends. each lvl of ult grants you more stacks to use during possesion

Impish Yordle1 votes

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ahh alright ithink i get the idea, so you jump in like zac and if you land on someones head you posses him right:)?, and you are right about the blitz thing! ( i hate blitz!) i got an idea for upgrading the ult: maybe you can give the possesed champ stacks when possesed. you lose stacks whenever you move or cast an ability or just wait around (slowly lose stacks) with the possesed champ and when the stacks are gone the possesion ends. each lvl of ult grants you more stacks to use during possesion

Yep, just like you described :) I like the idea with the stacks. It would force the player to manage them as another resource so they would have to think about which stacks to invest in either displacing the possessed unit or using them as a weapon against the enemy team. Otherwise people would probably just spam the whole rotation and then walk into the ally team to get a kill while the abilities are on cooldown.

DrathTurtle3141 votes

Okay, two comments/questions:

First, in other comments you've described jumping in with the ult making you vulnerable as a squishy target in the middle of the enemy team, however EVERY other champ with health costs on abilities is a tank or can be itemized as a tank with few sacrifices, Aatrox DrMundo Olaf Zac.

Second, how do you give your ally the ability to burst the shield?

Impish Yordle1 votes

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Okay, two comments/questions:

First, in other comments you've described jumping in with the ult making you vulnerable as a squishy target in the middle of the enemy team, however EVERY other champ with health costs on abilities is a tank or can be itemized as a tank with few sacrifices, Aatrox DrMundo Olaf Zac.

Second, how do you give your ally the ability to burst the shield?

I think the suggestion of Peridition to simply make the ability a low-range targeted skill might be a better idea in the long run provided that the void supp still lingers in danger one way or another. Would be more flexible balance-wise. And flameableman's idea of using stacks (basically time) as its own resource to add more decision-making on the void supp's part is also an idea I really like.

As for the shield... I think there are enough keys on the keyboard to make it work somehow xD. Or maybe adding a symbol that shows "you can click here" on the shield similar to the Thresh lantern could work. At worst we could simply let the void supp make the decision by recasting the ability but that would add more room for dispute and giving someone the option of having another attack is just too fun of a concept for me to pass up xD.

JungHai01 votes

Oh boy I made a void-support a long time ago.

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4681903

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

Ahhhhh, I like this guy, mainly he reminds me of Mina from Dawngate (RIP). I've been making my own champ that's based on her "Possessing you" and will control her construct she is normally in, when outside of you, while she's possessing. But this guys seems really cool.

GaleWinUnleashed1 votes

Whoa. That's a new one. Love it!

I particularly like how he has incentive to build both defenses and AP. Higher armor and magic resist makes the host tankier, but more AP gives them more damage and speed. On that note, though, I do not believe Dark Surge (host E) should scale with AP. That shield grants additional defenses, and thus removes some of the incentive to build armor and magic resist in order to increase the buff granted to the host by Q. What do you think about making it scale with either health (% current health, maybe?) or armor/magic resist instead? That way he has multiple distinct build paths to opt into, depending on what kind of buffs he wants for his allies.

Impish Yordle1 votes

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Whoa. That's a new one. Love it!

I particularly like how he has incentive to build both defenses and AP. Higher armor and magic resist makes the host tankier, but more AP gives them more damage and speed. On that note, though, I do not believe Dark Surge (host E) should scale with AP. That shield grants additional defenses, and thus removes some of the incentive to build armor and magic resist in order to increase the buff granted to the host by Q. What do you think about making it scale with either health (% current health, maybe?) or armor/magic resist instead? That way he has multiple distinct build paths to opt into, depending on what kind of buffs he wants for his allies.

The shield can be made to scale with both but with the health being much more influential on the shield's strength while the ap has more influence on the shock-wave's damage which has an Ap ratio but can still deal decent amounts of bonus damage in more health-based sets if a beefy shield is blown up by the host.

RamboDash151 votes

This sounds like it could lead to interesting and clever plays. I'd love to see a champ with these types of concepts.

Pæan1 votes

I wonder what the interaction would be with a Kalista ulting if the support was already "inside" kalista.

Impish Yordle1 votes

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I wonder what the interaction would be with a Kalista ulting if the support was already "inside" kalista.

I'd say you wouldn't be able to ult at all. Overall there is little to no synergy to use Kalista with this kind of support though xD. Or you would be able to ult but doing so will forcibly remove him.

Pæan1 votes

What about with clones or ghosts of people? say a Shaco clone, a Yorick omen, or a Mordekaiser ulti ghost?

Impish Yordle1 votes

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What about with clones or ghosts of people? say a Shaco clone, a Yorick omen, or a Mordekaiser ulti ghost?

I don't think it would fit the theme as much :)

kDrakari1 votes

For the E, what button would you use for the host to detonate the shield? I'd personally recommend leaving the detonation with the parasite, if only for the sake of simplicity ("Player casts the ability, recasts for second effect" as opposed to "Player casts the ability, relies on other players to understand it.") Kalista has been bad enough, but detonating the shield would have to be a completely new hotkey instead of "right click".

Might lead to some salt if the two disagree on when/if the shield should be detonated, but it can't be worse than Kalista or Bard.

Scrimshäw1 votes

Abathur 2 stronk

Felvyne1 votes

I like the idea and I like how is the ultimate.

The only thing I would consider change is the shield part of the E. Too magic and not so-much biovoidy. It could be like an steroid, or "getting teeth and having like a thornmall" or... well, the current one I guess.

Impish Yordle2 votes

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I like the idea and I like how is the ultimate.

The only thing I would consider change is the shield part of the E. Too magic and not so-much biovoidy. It could be like an steroid, or "getting teeth and having like a thornmall" or... well, the current one I guess.

The shield doesn't necessarily have to be a purple glowing bubble. It could just as well be a pulsing carapace/exoskeleton that bursts out into bonelike spikes as the "shockwave" instead of an expanding purple circle to fit more into the body horror theme. But the idea of granting a thornmail-like shield is also interesting. Thornmail Rammus would certainly like such a buff xD.

Unintelligence 1 votes

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) that q

Norlamin III1 votes

wow. tl;dr

Why the hell people posts thing like this?

DO you honestly think that anyone that works on creating new champions actually will use any of your ridiculous ideas for a champion?....

Impish Yordle2 votes

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wow. tl;dr

Why the hell people posts thing like this?

DO you honestly think that anyone that works on creating new champions actually will use any of your ridiculous ideas for a champion?....

Indeed. I am the manifestation of Phreak from another dimension in the future of a parallel universe's past, telling you about concepts on the speculative "Skins & Champion Concepts" forum that is based around equally speculative community input so you can be mentally prepared for a new and evolved iteration of League of Legends. Irelia will receive buffs that are actually more nerfs than anything, Lucian will get a chroma pack to make him caucasian, Bjergsen will marry Lustboy and TSM will see a bright future ahead, Unicorns of Love will become the next world champions and everyone will get a Unicorn skin, Teemo will receive 2 ultimate skins in 2042 and Urgot will have a 66% winrate in season 33 that will continue on through season 34 and eventually lessen and go down to 62% in season 36. Also Trinity Force gets nerfed in 2020 because of it being deemed too powerful on Karthus and Taric. Rabadon removed in 2069 because AP Zed became the new meta. Behold the future of League.

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DrathTurtle3141 votes

I had a similar idea a while back: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4368725

I don't know if you can use anything there, but feel free to learn what you can.

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