A Champion that can send your skill shots/projectiles back at you

Valar Morghulís··5 votes·3,408 views

I'm not talking about a Yasuo windwall or Braum shield, this ability has to be timed just as it's about to hit you or it will have Graves consequences. Basically, this champion's ability is a Fiora riposte except if you cast it 1.5+ seconds before you get hit by the skill shot you will take double the damage of that skill shot.

However, should you happen to time the skill shot to perfection and activate it exactly as it's about to hit your champion you will deflect it and return it directly to the caster which will do THEM double the damage.

No this skill shot doesn't work against point and click CC or stuns so it's not exactly a riposte and it can only counter ONE projectile/skill shot. So should you happen to use this ability against someone like Lucian or Xerath it will only return 1 of those projectiles/shots.

Yes this ability works on ranged auto attacks. Bare in mind it would be much harder to time/execute on any champion building attack speed.

Against a champion like Brand it would cancel the bounce of his ULT and return it to him then his teammates/minions that are in range. Certain abilities like the Pyroclasm can't be dodged as it is point and click however other skills like Anivia Q will give the enemy will have the same amount of time that you had to juke/dodge it, at which point it will just hit the area in which it was originally casted from unless it's a global ability like an Ashe Arrow.

No it can't deflect a Lux R or Velkoz R. Bare in mind whatever ability that was casted will still have the same effect but will do double the damage. If the ability casted doesn't do damage then it won't do any damage.

An Ahri charm will charm Ahri if she doesn't move out the way. A Nidalee Q which will pass through her minions to hit you BUT will hit her minions if you return it. (Assuming you're in lane)

This ability is a self cast so the only way you can block an ally from harm is by flashing in front of them and timing the skill shot/projectile to perfection.

If you deflect an Ashe hawkshot it will reveal fog of war for YOUR team. If used against a Blitzcrank Q it will do the damage to him but it won't grab him. It won't work on Urgot R either, just the damage no execution. Caitlyn R will return directly to her regardless of any juke/flash or E Cassiopeia R will stun her Doesn't work on Chogath Q but works on his W and E except for when the E is an auto on you. Doesn't work on any of Darius's abilities, nor Garen's A Fiddlesticks crow will bounce back to enemy minions/champions.

ETC.....ETC....ETC...

Now I was thinking this Champion could be a melee assassin or a mage. If it's a mage I'm thinking a dark Illusionist with a black and white swirl mask...like the kind a hypnotist would use in a watch in movies. Or how about a half mage half melee assassin. Wields a sword and can still conjure dark magic with 2 of his abilities. It's obvious which ability I've thought about the most given the post, Riot I leave the rest up to you.

20 Comments

Chembaron Yamada2 votes

While the idea is interesting, it has some problems.

So if it reflects or not is just up to your timing. Basically, high elo players would master this ability, making it extremely strong. Low elo players would struggle with the timing and making the champion completely worthless. Such a big distance between these strengths is not something desirable for Riot.

Additionally, the technological side. This ability is able to reflect skillshots.... something that you aim yourself. How does it work? Does it automatically shoot at where the enemy is currently standing? Does it try to calculate where the enemy champion will be, using their movement direction and speed? Does it "save" the skillshot and you have to immediately reactivate it to aim the skill yourself?

This needs alot more thought and actually could mean that this skill either becomes absolutely OP, or just useless.... Not to mention that I don't understand why it has to double the damage of the enemy skillshot. Reflecting any skillshot is already really really powerful as it is....

Valar Morghulís1 votes

Answered most of what you're asking in the post.

Ok maybe double damage is asking too much but it should do at least a little additional damage when returned or miss timed. And regardless of your elo, if you're bad at timing skill shots you're going to suck at using this champ's ability...also in a high pressure team fight even the best players can miss time this ability.

Reksee1 votes

How does it cancel camille r?

Valar Morghulís1 votes

I was thinking it could deflect the damage back at her and cancel it at the same time but it doesn't make much sense now that I think about it some more so I removed that part.

Valar Morghulís1 votes

Doesn't work on Pyke Ult. Doesn't work on Nautilus Q Doesn't work on Amumu Q Doesn't work on Thresh Q or E but will deflect latern back to him.

Phieldworker1 votes

So basically projectiles like yasuo’s windwall.

Mr Voidling1 votes

Yeah, this has been tossed around a few times on the boards. Reflecting a projectile seems pretty interesting but balancing issues are pretty hard. Like... Veigar R? Does it do the damage based on YOUR missing health? This could 1-shot a champion when reflected dealing 2x damage. I had a concept I never fully fleshed out that could steal projectiles, and then shoot them out later. But it's kinda hard to balance. I guess champs like Darius would be the counter.

Valar Morghulís1 votes

On Veigar's missing health. And yes it could 1 shot a champion when reflected IF timed properly or could one shot you if you mess up the timing. Or the concept could be simplified to returns the skill shot/projectile at twice the speed instead of damage if that's too broken.

Mr Voidling1 votes

The problem, more or less, that I'm bringing up is the balance for damage. Because the champ shouldn't be able to lose lane 0/10/0 and then 1-shot the enemy laner because THEY are fed. That's the issue I see. Otherwise the channel actually seems pretty long, as they can shoot a projectile as soon as you start channeling and still hit you.

nasu0101 votes
Chalze1 votes

We could have like some champion with a 'mirror' as a 'weapon', similar to Ying from Paladins or Amaterasu from SMITE

Sarutobi1 votes

I would love this especially when One for all comes back! Imagine just reflecting everything!

Dynikus1 votes

I was on board until

if you cast it 1.5+ seconds before you get hit by the skill shot you will take double the damage of that skill shot.

However, should you happen to time the skill shot to perfection and activate it exactly as it's about to hit your champion you will deflect it and return it directly to the caster which will do THEM double the damage.

It's likely we'll see a champion with a mechanic similar to this eventually, but I don't see any reason it should do double damage at any point. It would likely act... well almost exactly like fiora's ripose.

Noor Sakata1 votes

I'd love to see Ahri charming herself to herself? Wait it doesn't work , there has to be a target she moves to when getting charmed

ChaosReyn1 votes

It'd charm her towards the one who reflected the shot.

Skillshot "allegiances" as I call them dictate who and what they affect. So for example, a normal Ahri charm can hit enemy minions or champions as well as monsters, but cannot hit her own minions or champions, and cannot affect structures or terrain. To reflect the skillshot is to essentially make it behave as though the person who reflected the skillshot casted it themselves, which means that a reflected ahri charm could hit minions and champions, including herself, as if the reflector of the skillshot had cast it.

At least...that's how it works with Eltra, so I'm assuming that's how it works here.

ChaosReyn1 votes

Essentially, this one works almost exactly like the Fiora Riposte, only instead of absorbing and taking a stab, it actually does throw the ability. It does not empower it though: just flips it back.

It also lasts for a shorter time than Fiora, making it a little harder to use, and it does not stop or even mitigate damage from autos (so if Jhin's 4th shot hits you while you're trying to block that rocket, you're probably still dead) nor does it stop you from taking damage from any AoE that happened due to an ability landing next to you. For example, if you try to block the Jinx rocket, but the rocket instead hits your teammate standing next to you, it will not mitigate or reflect anything, because the damage was from the explosion and not from the skillshot itself.

Was about the best I could come up with.

ChaosReyn1 votes

Nasu's concept is another great one.

Mine is probably the closest one to what you're describing...but even mine needs work still.

Valar Morghulís1 votes

No.

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