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Solution to "Your Team Mates Ban Your Champion".

PookeyTheCat··1 votes·1,180 views

When this happens it feels so unfair, because you either troll them back and get punished (worse for you than for the other guy), or you let it slide and play anyways with another champion and let that dick get away with it.

The solution is easy: Make a report button at the champion select, which also makes the following happen:

If you win that game, the one who trolled you gets 0LP (or if we're harsher he loses the LP that he would lose for dodging the game ), while the rest get normal amount. If you lose that game the guy loses double the amount of LP he would have lost (so if he lost 20LP, he loses 40LP).

This will present the troller with option to waste his time and lose LP, or to dodge and lose LP - there is no way out of it. Knowing this the one who wants to ban your champion because he doesn't like it, will not resorst to such actions to begin with. Remember people do this just because they can get away with it.

Continuing now... if the guy accumulates a certain amount of such reports, he gets perma-banned for toxicity. The system would only trigger if your team mate banned a champion that you selected and got reported.

If this doesn't hit live, we'll know that RIOT encourages this type of behaviour.

Now, addressing some of incoming comments: "Then just don't show the champion you want to play" - my answer is: "some people have champions name or something relating that champion in their summoner name."

I did think your concerns in advance - you won't surprise me with your sudden flash of wisdom in comments. Whatever the sacrifice there is - it's worth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi8QqTk1e_M&list=PL73F506680ACE8C54&index=2

"...But before you I go, there's just one thing you should know

You can cry me a river, cry me a river of tears Yeah, you can cry all you like but it won't change my mind..." :D

30 Comments

GigglesO5 votes

Sometimes it isn't about banning it from your team, it's removing it from first pick from the enemy.

DrCyanide3 votes

Or not wanting to have the champion that was released 20 minutes ago in your ranked games, no matter who wants to play them.

PookeyTheCat1 votes

That's still called being a dick and considered toxic. If you don't want to have that champ on your team - dodge.

DrCyanide3 votes

No, it's being a dick to play a champion you have no experience on in Ranked.

Banning a new champion in ranked isn't being toxic, it's being responsible.

Spârky1 votes

I think if you highlight a champion before the ban phase then your team cant ban that champion so long as you keep him or her highlighted i think that would solve this problem

PookeyTheCat1 votes

Ok, i take my words from the post back. This did surprise me - that's even better idea. You should make a post :/

Or maybe if they ban your champion, there should be a pop'up that asks you do you agree with this ban? If you press no, then your team mate can't ban the champion.

DrCyanide2 votes

That one has been discussed before too. The problem that comes up is that you have people who queue as Support for the faster queue time, hover the most OP champion of the patch, then blackmail the rest of the team into trading roles.

I'm all for a system that warns you that you're about to ban an allies hover, since that will prevent accidental bans (which I think are far more common), but I think we do need a way to ban intents regardless.

PookeyTheCat1 votes

The current system does this much more effectively. You open up op.gg check your team mates names. Find out if any one of them are one tricks. If there are any, you can just say to them "we'll i see you're Lux one trick... it would be sad if she got banned. Tell you what, if you trade roles with me, i won't ban your champion.". Despite how exploitable this is (as you see in example), i haven't heard any stories of people actually doing it. :P

But yeah i agree with you - the hover system would be real good in preventing accidentals and will save some nerve for one-tricks.

PookeyTheCat1 votes

You might be able to blackmail not only one-tricks though...

DrCyanide1 votes

Except that your blackmail method is teammate dependent (requires a one trick who won't play anything else and can play that champion in multiple roles), while the one I listed would work with any lobby on a given patch.

PookeyTheCat1 votes

Yeah i know, but i doubt this would be abused. The problem lies in ... would people really give up their role just for the sake of OP pick getting banned? I wouldn't. Would you? Meanwhile.. currently, you don't even need the guy to be a one trick, you can threaten to ban his main or whatever he currently enjoys playing (just look at his match history).

PookeyTheCat1 votes

That is not an excuse. You have a chat in champion select - you tell them that reason, and i'm sure they will understand. If the person still doesn't agree to that, it's his problem as well... if enemy will pick the OP pick he will have higher chance of losing the game. If the person doesn't agree to those bans every game, he will have lower winrate and will drop down in ELO. Since people want to climb, he probably won't stay stubborn.

PookeyTheCat1 votes

Simply put, if the other guy doesn't agree to that OP champion being banned - you can dodge, since it's you who believes that this game is a loss.

redniwediS2 votes

I'd rather just have a confirmation button pop up when someone is about to ban a champion chosen by an ally. Technically speaking if they still went about banning your champion, and said nothing, they were not communicating. There is a report option for that already, even though this case would likely be a lesser offense than what is normal for that particular report.

PookeyTheCat1 votes

The problem is that you can only report that after 20min. of mood ruining game. And since it isn't the most common occurance, the ones who ban team mates champions will end up unpunished... well most of them. There should be button at the champion select screen.

ReaperSheeper2 votes

Well what happens if you do it on accident, because i know i have before.

PookeyTheCat1 votes

Talk to the guy, ask him if it isn't a big problem to him, if it is a big problem for him - TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for your actions and DODGE.

PookeyTheCat1 votes

If you don't want to play with some player, or you don't want to have certain champion on your team, it's you not the other guy who should be dodging.

DrCyanide3 votes

I don't want newly released champions in my ranked games for either side. Sorry you decided to main <insert champion name> before they hit the PBE, I'm banning them regardless of your hover, and that's for the good of both teams (and no, playing them on the PBE doesn't count as experience. The PBE is where people are messing around with everything, it's worse practice than Blind Pick).

Your "solution" would just create different trolls.

I've only had 1 game where someone on my team intentionally banned my champion, and it's because they thought I had banned theirs when it was someone else on the team. The people complaining about people banning their pick are worse than those banning in the first place, since they'll ban back and troll.

Just grow up and move on. It doesn't matter if your teammates banned your pick or if the enemy team banned it, what you do next is the same either way.

PookeyTheCat1 votes

I don't want newly released champions in my ranked games for either side.

Dodge.

I don't want

Just like you say, it's your problem that you don't want it, so you can dodge. Or you can take it as it is and try to win. If you truly believe game is unwinnable - dodge.

DrCyanide1 votes

Why should I dodge?

Bans are suppose to be used to ban what you don't want to play against. I don't want to play against new champions in ranked. I'm using my ban correctly. Get over it.

You want to play a new champion, go play Normals. That's what it's there for. Better yet, play Blind Pick, since you'll be more that twice as likely to be able to play the new champion (no bans to take it away and the enemy team taking the champion doesn't stop you from playing the champion).

PookeyTheCat1 votes

It's not an excuse to annihilate your team mates wish to play said champion.

DrCyanide2 votes

To use a modified version of your own phrase, "if you don't want to play a different champion, dodge."

To be more accurate, using your own logic you would be obligated to dodge after picking a new champion in ranked. By picking said champion, you created a situation where I don't want to play, so you should take responsibility for that and dodge. Would you dodge for that? Because that's what you're asking me and others here to do.

There's a mode for people who don't want their champion banned, it's called Blind Pick. I love Blind Pick, it's my favorite mode, and it's certainly not as bad as the horror stories make it out to be.

PookeyTheCat1 votes

There is a difference between having an inconvenience and because of it forcing someone to dodge, and having no other option to chose from and having a loss because of it and dodging as a result.

Simply put for you it is an option between [potentialy win (don't ban)/lose (dodge)], and for the other guy it's an option between [most likely a loss (stay in game)/ 100% a loss (dodge)].

win/loss != loss/loss

DrCyanide2 votes

Do you honestly expect me to believe that a person playing ranked can't play any champion beside one that came out less than 2 weeks ago? Because that's what you're arguing.

No, banning a new champion turns them from a loss/loss to a win/loss, assuming they don't revert back to being 5 years old and throw a tempter tantrum about it.

PookeyTheCat1 votes

I wasn't suggesting that the loss comes from not being able to play other champions. I had in mind that... the guy, who you screw over probably hates you hard for it.. so he won't try his best to win the game. His thoughts will mainly be focused onto that report screen, which will come up when the game ends.

DrCyanide1 votes

He was picking a new champion in Ranked, he wasn't playing to win in the first place.

PookeyTheCat1 votes

I wouldn't jump to such conclusions. People are pretty different in terms of how they see the world and how they think. I doubt they come to the game with the mindset - "i want to lose with the new champion". Yeah i don't think your interpretation of their thoughts can be accurate to any degree, since they are already doing things with motives that are already out of your range of understanding ( i refer to picking new champion in ranked). :/

GigglesO1 votes

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and having no other option to chose from and having a loss because of it and dodging as a result.

So, you kind of just answered your own question... You as an offended special snowflake, have the option to choose another champion after "your champion" was banned.

I'm sorry you don't understand that sometimes a champion shouldn't be allowed to be on the enemy team, when they have first pick.

zlumpy1 votes

Learn to play multiple champions?

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