Riot please reply,"Similarities" to reworked Akali theme and my Feng champion concept 2 months ago
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#3pm now, so as stated in below edit not spending any more time on this. Thanks for the constructive criticism, and sorry for those who wasted their time reading this. I believe generally everyone who replied so far intended to contribute in a good way, and tried to get a good understanding of me and the thread. I gave everyone who commented upvotes. I appreciate the feedback.
#Edit: If over 4 hrs from now at 3PM eastern time, if a comment from someone at Riot is not made by then, then I will stop looking at this thread, nothing personal to riot or anything... I am just out of patience regarding this. Obviously it hasn't even been a day yet since I made this thread, and it is more reasonable to wait around about week instead which is what I generally did in the past, but I am not willing to continue hoping I get a reply from Riot considering the thread is not popular, and even if it was I doubt anyone from riot will decide to reply to this even if it was noticed, and are likely concentrating on things more pressing and important for the collective league community than this thread regardless of it's importance to me, despite my belief that the gameplay changes/additions I am asking for would be well received by many other players if implemented.
If by some chance someone from Riot decides to reply to this after the time I mentioned above then don't bother doing it for my sake, because I won't be reading it unless it somehow makes it into the patch notes, and actually gets put in the game, which seems highly unlikely. I only go on the boards every once in a while to observe the dev corner, and not to see much of anything else and not to make threads or comments either, and will be returning back to that. The only thing that brought me back is described in my thread about Akali's rework being similar to what I asked for with my champion concept on the champion Feng over 2 months ago before we were shown her gameplay, and ofcourse I elaborated a lot on that in that the thread. If I am lucky enough for the gameplay changes I asked for to come out, then I will see it eventually in the patch noes, but obviously I am not going to hold my breath as there are other more pertinent gameplay changes, and champion updates that can be argued are more deserving than my requests. I am putting this edit into two threads I made essentially on the same day that discuss two different topics concerning gameplay additions, not trying to spam, this edit is relevant to both. Also just want to say thanks again for Meddler and Riot Stashu for commenting on an idea that I admit was not a great one for Talon a few months ago. It was nice to see feedback on it.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Kunai05.jpg
For picture above, to represent First kunai wielding wielding champion going to Akali... with my Feng concept using a Kunai also going to, specifics below.
#Edit: added link to Feng thread at the end, forgot initially.
#**Note, please read brief explanation of entire thread in 1st paragraph: ** If you are Ghostcrawler or someone else from the Riot team that deals with making new champions and champion vgu's, I think Reav3 is one of them, please read this and not just the TLDR part at the end, and please reply and discuss this with me so I can understand some things better regarding Riot. Important to note, this thread is not me showing hate for Riot even though it might be interpreted that way, but just a very strong, unique, and peculiar type of disappointment for the prospect of a potential champion like Akali being made in the future that is similar to a champion concept I thought of named Feng, so please don't misunderstand the context of my thread; I respect Riot and appreciate the work they do in general and think of them as a great game company, and I have had that mindset in previous threads and posts. Lastly, if not willing to read all of this then read the TLDR at the end, unless you are Riot then please don't skip what I wrote even though it is a fairly long read because I wanted to write that much to get my point across completely, and if replying mention if you only read the TLDR, because I am curious to who only read just that so I know if you might misunderstand something I did not elaborate on in the TLDR section. Also apologies in advance for any typos/grammar errors, the point it is at regarding that should suffice.
Thought I would make my last ever thread/post and stay to just observing the boards from now on, but upon seeing the Akali rework I felt compelled to write something long yet again, because it is connected with the thread I made on what I intended to be my one and only champion concept idea being called Feng. There are noticeable Similarities to the reworked Akali theme, and high skill focus to my Feng champion concept idea that I made over 2 months ago that I wanted to discuss. First off I want to point out this is NOT me raging at Riot for possibly borrowing my champion ability ideas or style of gameplay for the champion I thought of called Feng, but there are some disappointments that I wanted to express associated with that. That being said there are distinct similarities to the Feng, and hoped it would be brought into the game, particularly with the notion of creating a high skill champion in both mechanics, actions per minute, and decision making in a fight, with also the use of the weapon being a Kunai and Ninjato for Feng, which would result in Akali and Feng now both sharing the Kunai weapon rather than it being just Feng, or whichever guy they might decide to make that resembles Feng, it obviously does not have to be exactly like the champion idea I though of or even have the same name; if it's just a guy that has distinct similarities to Feng I'll be more than grateful for even that. At the end of this thread is a link to my Feng champion concept idea, but please if interested read it after this, because Feng's thread is a fairly complete champion concept, so it has a lot of information and is in depth.
From what I have seen in the videos, Akalis rework is great and is unique as far as setting herself apart from other assassins and champions; I don't really play Akali, I used to play her a lot at one point, but I definitely like this rework and would like to play her much more than I did previously, although I know I still am going to like playing Talon more than her who is my main since I started playing League.
That being said, Akali's rework also tore at and hurt my ego considering I wanted a BRAND NEW CHAMPION to do what she does, hence why I made a distinct effort in creating the thread on Feng as a champion concept over two months ago, well before this rework came out. Even the lore is somewhat similar in that both of them branched away from the people in charge of their organizations(regarding Feng his Sect is called the Radiantpenumbra Sect ) because they wanted to follow different paths in how they operated, except with Feng when he tried to leave, some of his former allies tried to kill him rather than just let him go.
Now even though Feng and Akali both use Kunai, Akali uses also a Chain and sickle aka a Kusarigama, while Feng would use a Ninjato. Feng is a bit more projectile base and has an emphasis on trying to pick up his kunai thrown off of the ground to really excel in a fight and choosing where to position and move and when to go in to really get the most out of him. Akali's "hit and run" tactics is very similar to what I wanted for Feng gameplay style to be, as well as his burst and one shot potentially would be lacking compared to most assassins especially in early game, but his strengths would be using his speed effectively and if he is successfully landing his skill shots.
Now I want to reemphasize that I like Akali as a champion in her rework because it is introducing a champion similar to what I wanted Feng to be in game in playstyle and theme; HOWEVER at the same time this massively rubbed me the wrong way because this wasn't a brand new champion but a rework on Akali instead. Furthermore I had really hoped for Feng to be the first champion to use Kunai in an ability, and to have a similar "hit and run" playstyle that is demonstrated in Akali's rework.
Now I believe I have read on a thread before with someone at Riot saying something along the lines that Riot has several champion concepts and ideas that just have not been implemented in the game yet, and perhaps even before I made my thread this was one of those ideas that were waiting to be actually made into a character, and perhaps my thread was not even seen by the people who made the Akali rework. If it was then it should be obvious how disappointment and "ego hurt" I am on a personal level, to have something very similar to what I wanted on a new champion, be put on a reworked champion instead, but also being done far enough from Feng specific abilities and traits to still say to myself I prefer playing my main Talon more than Akalis rework, gameplay wise and in the sense of roleplay and "style" wise in how some people look towards playing the champions that they consider their mains. But of course that is to be expected considered I did not play Akali that much before, and even though she is something very different now and I like her much more, I still definitely will prefer playing Talon as a main.
Obviously I am not entitled to getting a champion concept I thought of regardless of how good I think it is or how good it would be for the game as a whole; I am just an ordinary player on league that happens to be a Talon main/OTP that is Plat and wanted an assassin champion created that would feel better to play gameplay and roleplay wise as in game that I am more passionate about...but naturally there is nothing special about me really to warrant Riot saying to themselves, " lets give this guy this champion just because he asks for it," ofcourse they aren't going to do that, unless I somehow became super lucky, and the concept looked really interesting to someone really important that works there. I am just really disappointment this was done on Akali instead of being put on a new champion, particuarly because of my theory I have on the trend/pattern I have observed for Riots champion and vgu releases, I'll talk more about that near the end.
I had first spoke of the use of Kunai being on a rework for Talon, and Meddlar and Riot Stashu taking note of my overly convoluted thread on a Talon rework that even I will admit looking back on it was asking too much and was not constructed well as a thread. I respect them looking into that and replying to me. And if my input on the boards regarding my Talon rework thread, and perhaps also my Feng thread ended up playing a part in them bringing that style of champion into the game, that shows they indeed took note of the idea I was trying to bring across to them; however at the same time they decided to implement it by means of not putting it on a new champion to League, or at the very least putting a similar style of gameplay for Talon and straying from the tradition of his quick and high burst; I mean that is essentially what was done to Aatrox being something significantly different to the old Aatrox, so the reasoning Stashu gave me back then for not making Talon similar(emphasis on "similar" and not the same) to how Akali's rework is which is essentially similar to what I was asking for, that reasoning is now much less prevalent considering a recent precedent is the Aatrox rework. But of course Ideally I would prefer it being on a new champion which is why I created the concept of a champion named Feng, and tweaked the abilities further from the original Talon rework I thought of; furthermore if you decide to look at the talon rework thread and Feng champion thread I made, do yourself a favor and only look at the Feng champion and not the talon rework I made, because the Talon rework thread I made was just very rushed, messy and not constructed well on top of I was forcing him to have too many similarities with the current Talon which I admit was straying from what was reasonable for a champion rework. Just look at the Feng champion concept, it is significantly better than my Talon rework.
Whoever is in charge of vgu's and new champions, as well as whoever was in charge of the Akali rework which from what I see on the boards that person is CertainlyT, I really like the changes for Akali, they look very cool and well done; overall I think it is creative what you did on her rework. What I am curious about though is, were either of my 2 threads known by the people working on Akali, particularly the one about Feng. If the answer is yes you knew about it, then I want to infer that the champion gameplay niche and style of play for an assassion that has not been filled yet being more of an emphasis on speed and "hit and run" and less about quick burst but with high mobility, and you wanted to get it out as soon as possible so it made sense since Akali was the next assassion coming up to be worked on and perhaps also thought it fit well with her theme and identity as a champion.
Despite that, I guess what I am trying to say is I got an unusual short end of the stick upon realizing what you guys did to Akali. Not that it is a bad rework by any means, as I said before in a neutral and objective sense it is a good rework from what I have seen; however because of my passionate idea I invested in on the boards for particularly the new champion Feng, and something closely resembling that went to Akali which I did not particular like to play or want to main and kind of have a roleplay feeling associated with it, as well as it has notable differences with Feng as a champion; thus on a personal level seeing the gameplay of Akali made me deeply regret bothering to make that thread because you making that now means it is likely I will see another champion like Feng with a similar gameplay style in the future.
I knew that there was a chance I would regret making the thread considering if the idea wasn't put in game, but this is on an unexpectedly sad level because I want to emphasize one last significant reason why this irritated me so much. Well before I even saw the Akali rework today, I noticed a trend in how you guys release champions and vgu's. Without going into the specifics I observed from your history of champions, basically going with your trends I predicted the earliest I could have expected a new champion assassin like Feng to be released to be sometime in December, and that's if I was lucky because Pike and Akali as assinssins being released so close between eachother likely means no more assassins this year, and the latest it being released being sometime in spring of 2020 almost 2 years from now, thats my prediction; however I take note that you guys also make it so that you almost NEVER make a champion with a similar theme and playstyle consecutively for a single class, in other words, the very next vgu for an assassin or the very next new champion that is an assassion, will be someone like Fizz or Nocturne, aka not a ninja theme and not a high mobile "hit and run" type of assassin. Thus if I am lucky and your champion design trends don't change too much, it will probably be 2 years before there is a chance that a champion like Feng has a possibility of being made, as a result of Akali's particular rework being fairly similar to Feng as a champion and "delaying" that particular niche type of assassin being created since they share close similarities.
Riot, I am nobody, just a low plat player who is very passionate about League and mains Talon and plays Talon frequently in a none "meta sheep" way considering I have a fairly different playstyle to other Talon players with different runes, summoner spells, and builds. I want to emphasize I think well of Riot as a company, and have to respect the fact that you guys are the professionals, and in general know what is best for league despite people on the boards often raging about the opposite of that; you guys do good work for sure and people who enjoy the game often don't give enough credit to everyone who works at Riot, and especially where it comes to making new champions, otherwise the game would not be as successful as it is now. I have the stance that Riot does good work and, I genuinely mean that; however just wanted to express my disappointment in what the Akali rework means for me personally to a new potential champion similar to Feng being brought into the game, which is safe to conclude is not going to happen in at least 2 years unless some major exceptions are made, considering my theory in how you guys generally go about making new champions.
With many changes to league there is generally someone who ends up having some problem with it, and I would like to think people and Riot have known that I have praised them on the boards, unlike many others who trash talk them often; I give you guys the benefit of the doubt that you had your reasons for making Akali the way she is, regardless of if you read my Feng thread or not. Before discussing of the solution I thought of at the end, I wanted to try to express my peculiar disappointment and particular circumstances concerning Akali's changes, which is why I made a significant effort to try to have a similar(not same but similar) type of gameplay Akali has on preferably a new champion, and if not then preferably on Talon. Aside from myself, the group of people not wanting Akali changes taking place are probably the Akali mains, although I think that is in the minority because the rework looks top notch and just really good overall; putting my personal grievances against Akali's rework aside, the only thing I would say I don't like about her changes is how she looks via art wise, specifically the tatoo. I personally am just not a fan of tatoos and it actually being a growing trend, especially in sports such as soccer that I watch often. There never used to be so many people with tatoos, like it's just a type of "art" I am not a fan of for reasons that go into social psychology, and I can go on much detail about why for many people tatoos actually end up having negative effects in general for them especially regarding their self perception and particularly self esteem, but that's off topic here; anyway that would be the only thing I was against with her changes aside from my personal grievances, I would significantly prefer her without tatoos and I believe many others would too. I feel like that was forced on her to make her seem more "intimidating"(her weapons and abilities are enough for that) kind of like the scar on Katarina; I think the Tatoo on Akali is super unnecessary and I would prefer Akali without that but that's just a personal preference obviously. Like if somehow the tatoo was tied into an ability like a power up( think sasuke with his curse mark in Naruto anime, only thing could think of off top of my head) I would understand, but considering her lore even if she is rebelling from her order I think it's out of place for Akali.
So considering all of this, I want to ask, despite Akali rework being what it is, would you please make a new champion almost identical then if not fairly similar to how Feng is in the thread I created and have that champion be released at the latest December of next year, and ideally sometime this year. Just a request from someone who really is of no significance but likes this game very much and still has a strong belief that Feng would still be good for League of Legends business wise which I go into more detail in my Feng thread why that is so; however perhaps even more so because Akali and Feng could have a relationship similar to Yasuo and Riven's relationship in game and lore wise, because the lore I created has strong similarities to Akali's new updated lore and lore wise I see them becoming allies or perhaps joining Fengs side of his divided Sect because it is aligned with Akali's goals for making a big difference to those who are suffering and helping innocent people trying to just live happy lives, and not being held back from stopping those who threaten to cause those people to suffer. I theorize if you could connect the lores, which have strong similarities as well as what they are fighting for, and have them kind of compliment each other as far as popularity and appeal goes gameplay wise and might result in good profit business wise. They could have a similar connection with Riven and Yasuo as well as having that reputation of two similar champions doing similar things in there gameplay, and perhaps even add a slight romance element to it and make them a potential "ship". You'll understand better if you read the gameplay and lore of Feng in my thread. In all seriousness though I believe having both Akali and Feng in the game would compliment each other.
Thanks for reading whoever decided to read, especially if anyone from Riot since this is intended for them, but I welcome respectful feedback from other players on the boards. Please Riot give me a reasonable reply, particularly someone from the champion update and vgu team. I think Riot Reav3 is one of them, but I am not sure though. Ideally I would like to hear from Riot Ghostcrawler since he is the Design Director, and I think he has the final say in what champions are decided to be created.
#TLDR: Akali is very similar to my champion concept Feng thread, and before that my Talon rework thread(which as a rework was too convoluted and thread not constructed well); however even though I am getting a champion that is similar to what I wanted through a rework, at the same time I did not want this on Akali nor do I like the particulars of her specific rework more than Talon who is my main as well as I have a roleplay identity with Talon, AND also because this likely means the new champion I would like will not be released for another two years given Riot's champion making trends/patterns that I have theorized long ago. This makes me extremely disapointed considering something similar to what I wanted on a champion is just going to end up going on Akali and in a way that I do not particularly like even though it is better than her gameplay was before for sure; I just really want an actual new champion similar to Feng.
Was this borrowed from my ideas or were my ideas unknown while Riot was creating her rework? Also my high respect for Riot still stands, but this does not loom well for the ideal champion I would want to be brought into league as far as the particular gameplay I would want out of a champion, and I believe others would like it as well, more so if people are liking the new Akali. Lastly Riot I theorize if you break the champion trend I believe that you have, and make a champion similar to Feng release within this year if not then sometime early next year, you could connect the lores, which have strong similarities as well as what they are fighting for, and have them kind of compliment each other as far as popularity and appeal goes gameplay wise and might result in good profit business wise. They could have a similar connection with Riven and Yasuo as well as having that reputation of two similar champions doing similar things in there gameplay. You'll understand better if you read the gameplay and lore of Feng in my thread.
Please Riot give me a reasonable reply, particularly someone from the champion update and vgu team. I think Riot Reav3 is one of them, but I am not sure though. Ideally I would like to hear from Riot Ghostcrawler since he is the Design Director, and I think he has the final say in what champions are decided to be created.
#**Link to Feng thread below. ** People that decide to read it please put emphasis on the abilities, and see how it's not the same as Akali's obviously but there are similarities in their abilities, weapons, and style of gameplay.
