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Ashe (The new Aatrox) ?

KingMogar·10/23/2018, 1:14:54 PM·11 votes·5,512 views

I feel like ashe has become the new aatrox atleast before he finally got some changes, shes really been left behind. Its been over a year since i last saw someone play her, in any game mode.

I played her the other day just for fun, and i realized why nobody plays her. Shes Boring, compared to ALL the other Adc's, ashe is really boring and just lack luster, the only thing she really has going for her is her passive and ult (which scales with AP, but she builds AD, just like old aatrox) she doesnt have very high damage, yet theres Caitlyn, Tristana, Jhin, and Draven that i see ALOT of, all of which have mobility, (ashe doesnt) They have all AD scaling on every ability (Ashe has AD scaling on 2 abilities) and they all do a ton of damage. I think its time that the Queen of the Freljord gets some love.

Heres a list of how other Adc's are compared to Ashe:

: Has All AD scalings. Her E gives her a good escape/Engage (That RESETS on kills) and an ult (That scales with AD) and can also displace MULTIPLE champs.

: All AD Scaling, Has Very High Damage, His W gives movement speed (ALSO RESETS on axe pickup). A "global" high damage ult. and an E for CC.

: All AD Scaling. Very High Damage, W roots and gives movement speed passive, E that slows, and an ult that can do Extreme Damage and slows.

: All AD scaling, Long Range High Damage, W roots for guaranteed passive headshot for big damage, and E can be a mini dash plus passive headshot if it hits, and and ult that is extremely hard to dodge unless theres teammates around or you have the right item.

And then theres :

2 AD scaling abilities. Her Passive is extremely helpful giving slows on every auto. Q gives bonus attack speed and a slight damage buff, W is good poke and ok damage, E useful for keeping vision and then here ult, granted its a global stun that can go up to 3 seconds, (or 3.5 i dont remember) But it has minimal damage, Scales with ap)

I have some ideas for changes for ashe but those will be for another post.

21 Comments

Jeddy01710/23/2018, 2:27:44 PM10 votes

But that's just it. Ashe is suppose to be on the low side of the damage spectrum for ADCs. She's the UTILITY adc of the game. She makes up for her lower damage with utility. If you turn up her damage, then her utility will have to drop so she don't go overboard.

If you want to suggest Ashe changes, at least keep in mind what type of champ she.

Elite4Runner10/23/2018, 2:51:52 PM6 votes

What do you mean?

Ashe is one of the most consistently reliable marksmen in the game.

Warlord Rhinark10/23/2018, 1:20:01 PM5 votes

The new Aatrox is almost definitely Mordekaiser.

That being said, Ashe could use some changes.

xDarkxFieldx10/23/2018, 3:04:47 PM3 votes

Um Trist only has one ability that actually scales off ad and that's her E (Her q is an attack speed steroid so it has no scaling but is definitely better if u build ad), While her W, E and R all scale of Ap, also her Jump is her W not her E.

Moody P10/23/2018, 2:31:24 PM3 votes

Ashe has some of the best late game DPS in the class

Tristan isn't all AD.

None of these marksmen come remotely close to offering the utility that Ashe pumps out

Kritlas10/23/2018, 8:18:05 PM1 votes

Tristana has AP scaling on her ult.

Gregorovic0810/23/2018, 11:05:37 PM1 votes

I thought Tristana had ap scalings on her w, e and ult? Her e active explosion damage does scale with both ad and ap but the other two are both ap.

EDIT: Jhin has both ad an ap scalings on his e and q and Caitlyn's e scales solely with ap.

Sakuczya10/24/2018, 1:32:36 PM1 votes

In my opinion... and I played a little bit of Ashe in the past ;) She is just not a soloQ champion, if you have a team or can setup things, she can become a monster, otherwise she always feels like an adc who's missing an entire ability (as you already said, her E doesn't benefit her dps or anything much, in higher elo and with a team it is a strong vision ability) while other adc have some form of movement ability instead, her slow just does not make up for it... Vayne can tumble a Lux Q, while Ashe slowed Lux, congratz, insert dark souls death meme here

I feel like they could do more with her Q, because right now it is on-attack and not on-hit so things like item 3115 don't work with it (but item 3071 does, kinda? Had some strange bugs with it in practise tool where it would sometimes hit 5 times sometimes 6 times on one Q AA, and yes it does also synergize with item 3085 that way)

And I would love her E to have true sight, so we'd finally fuck up some Akali and other invisible pieces of ...champs...

but all that would probably overtune her again...

I for my part play her atm with a kinda strange build, but its fun and does definitively work out for me. She now feels more fleshed out with it. item 3078 item 3508 item 3087 item 3031 with trifoce and reaver first W auto hurts a lot via item 3057 while also having really low CD on your W and R, 3 secs stun on the over side of the map can also benefit your team a lot more, and you got your ult soon back as well so you can defend yourself.

I am also running Comet in the Runes and all those Movement speed things, besides Scorch... Yeah well Enemies want to rage quit in lane because of the Poke and I can finally really Kite in this game, since all that usually happens is that if you try to kite someone he just dashes, jumps, blinks, teleports, or whatever onto you, but like that you also get movementspeed out of item 3044

Oleandervine10/24/2018, 1:50:02 PM1 votes

Why are you comparing Ashe to hypercarry damage ADCs? Nearly every ADC you listed has minimal utility, while utility composes a large chunk of Ashe's kit. So sure, she doesn't blast your face off with damage, but when it comes to team fighting, or even kiting/chasing, Ashe contributes FAR FAR more than the other ADCs you listed. Ashe is honestly fine right now. The only reason she's not a hot pick is because this meta favors insane burst that's brought on by item 3095 , and Ashe can't synergize with this item. However, if this item gets gutted in preseason (which I believe it will), it will knock quite a few ADCs down a peg or two to her level.

If you want solid comparisons for Ashe, compare her to these: Kalista Sivir

Hethalean10/23/2018, 1:34:24 PM1 votes

Well, she's one of those champs that pro players abuse way more effectively than soloq. For instance, she showed up in a considerable amount of world's games this year despite being bottom of the barrel of ADCs in solo q.

Yeah, they'll probably have to do a bunch of changes to her.

DONT STOP10/23/2018, 1:48:02 PM1 votes

No Not ashe

More like Volibear or Mordekaiser or Ivern even Kayle

OtterlyLost10/23/2018, 2:23:02 PM1 votes

On your section about tristana, she does not have engage. ._. She will not be using her 22 second CD jump to engage anything. Please dont misunderstand her as a champion.

As for Ashe, I dont think she's boring at all. She's not going to do as much damage as other ADCs because that's not the purpose of her as a champion. Her purpose, and this is why shes popular in organized play, is to be a utility champion. She gives up mobility and damage for slows on her AAs, an actual long range engage, a stun that's stronger based on the distance its traveled, and a hawk shot that can honestly not only make her one of the hardest to gank ADCs in the game(seriously, spam that shit on CD through your bot side jungle and you will almost always gather valuable information) but also provides immensely safe scouting for objectives; she can affectively make it so her team doesn't have to face check baron at all. I use this so aggressively that I sometimes forget to ward on her.

She fills her niche and she fills it very well. I think shes fine and not in need of work at all. Not when there are ADCs in much more pressing need; Varus, Kog, Kalista, all come to mind when you say ADC who need help.

SociopathFriend10/23/2018, 2:51:02 PM1 votes

If I ever get assigned ADC when playing- I'd pick Ashe. I'm just bad at ADC and so I put significant effort into not getting the job.

You know what I love though? Ashe support (support main btw) brings decent poke into lane with her W, constant slows with her everything, map-wide vision with her E, and one of the best stuns in the game with her ult.

The best part about keystones is that Ashe can work with most of them pretty well no matter what tree so you've tremendous freedom in what to choose.