Remember Omen, the demon champion that they cancelled just because they wanted to put in Riven sooner? Well I think that was a poor excuse for cancelling that champion. Omen actually looks pretty cool, which leaves me at a pretty angry loss to why they would cancel him.. just for Riven.. so delay Riven's release.. what the heck? Are you going to cancel Ao Shin too? Cause if that happens I'll get REALLY pissed. For a look at Omen, click on the link.
ModThe Djinn3 votesRemember Omen, the demon champion that they cancelled just because they wanted to put in Riven sooner? Well I think that was a poor excuse for cancelling that champion.
A complete misconception, actually.
Take a look at the presentation Designers are Human Too - Causes of Poor Design Decisions by Tom Cadwell, Riot's Design Director. He explains that Omen suffered from a number of major design issues, and "we want to get Riven done sooner" wasn't one of them. The fact that Riven was close enough to done to fill in the gap was more convenient than planned: Omen was already 50% done, and had a lot of work put into him.
There were a number of reasons he was cut. Firstly, not enough of the team was really excited about the concept -- it started falling flat soon enough that it was a warning sign. The character design itself didn't read well -- it was hard to tell if it was supposed to be ranged or melee. Perhaps most importantly, they put a lot of effort into Omen, and they didn't see the sort of quality improvement they wanted: that's an enormous red card in design.
In general, it appears that Omen was, largely, a conceptual failure. Tom basically calls it a character that someone should have said "no" to the presented concept of far earlier.
Did it maybe have some potential in a different form? Maybe. But the effort needed to take it there wasn't worth the time, energy, or expense given the development path Omen seems to have followed.
Legendary Misaka1 votesI see.. I guess they had a good reason then. But I still think they should reconsider it..
ModThe Djinn1 votes[{quoted}](name=God of Pranks,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=9gttheX1,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-05-06T04:34:08.225+0000)
I see.. I guess they had a good reason then. But I still think they should reconsider it..
I can all but promise you they did. Remember, this champion was basically half finished before they decided to cut it. That's a lot of development time, a lot of money, a lot of art assets, a lot of testing...it isn't cheap, nor is it particularly fun to have something cut. Tom specifically pointed out that it was really demoralizing for the team behind it to realize that the champion just wasn't cutting it.
If they hadn't decided pretty confident that Omen was not going to work in League, I think we'd have seen it by now. If it's not something that's entirely cut, I can basically assure you that it's not going to ever see the light of day again unless someone at Riot can present a really compelling case for making it work: "We want to explore this again" is probably not enough. They might greenlight "I think I can do it, and here's how" with a detailed idea though.
Legendary Misaka1 votesXD I see.. but what I hope doesn't happen, is that they do the same thing with Ao Shin. I heard they delayed Ao to 2016 because of some problems with his kit, and it's got me anxious that the same thing might be happening to him. They might even decide they don't even need a dragon champ because they've already got Shyvana.
ModThe Djinn1 votesXD I see.. but what I hope doesn't happen, is that they do the same thing with Ao Shin. I heard they delayed Ao to 2016 because of some problems with his kit, and it's got me anxious that the same thing might be happening to him. They might even decide they don't even need a dragon champ because they've already got Shyvana.
Eh. We'll see. I trust Riot on this one: if we don't end up seeing Ao Shin, it'll be because they've really decided that he won't bring anything truly beneficial to the game.
Berry Állen1 votesomen is what is now known as rek'sai
Legendary Misaka2 voteswrong, they said it wasn't Rek'Sai, or Kha'Zix, despite what all the rumors tell you.
Berry Állen1 votes[{quoted}](name=God of Pranks,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=9gttheX1,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-05-06T04:28:21.652+0000)
wrong, they said it wasn't Rek'Sai, or Kha'Zix, despite what all the rumors tell you.
It even says, Rek'Sai's design was greatly influenced by Omen.
junglerboy161 votesWell, like you've already discussed with The Djinn, Omen wasn't canceled because they wanted to push Riven out sooner, they actually had to delay a whole patch cycle so they could rush Riven out in his place.
The fact that he was canceled doesn't mean he is never going to make it in game, it just means he is likely going to be a very different critter than they had planned him to be. Riot scraps concepts all the time (like Gavid the plant king, now Maokai and Zyra, or seth the sand mage, now Azir, and so on), and just because Omen was halfway through production doesn't mean they are going to leave him permanently buried.