The reddit style message board makes it very hard for latecomers to join a dicussion.

Boku Girl·Sep 18, 2013·121 votes·12,321 views

For lack of a better way of phrasing it, the new style of the forums is really going to make it hard for people who join a discussion late. With a traditional forum layout, it's common to check both the first few pages and the last few pages, giving everyone some visibility. As it currently is (and is on reddit, who uses this style of board) if you do not make one of the first few posts on the topic, no one will see your input as the top few "upvoted" posts are already in the top position of the thread, pushing late-comers to the bottom. The sort function helps a tad but in reality, is rarely used.

55 Comments

RiotKrylhosSep 18, 201317 votes

I agree that conversations shouldn't just die off, and quality conversations should be easy to discovery. With that, we're exploring different solutions.

Did you have any ideas or suggestions on how this could be improved?

PryotraSep 18, 201345 votes

Yeah, don't folllow reddit. This is literally their biggest flaw, and it is inherent in how reddit works. It's great for reddit, but that system doesn't belong everywhere.

vbulletin is much better than you give it credit for, and if you hadn't ripped out most of the features on the current forums, this wouldn't be an issue. Why not just restore some of the features to the vbulletin forums, instead of forcing reddit on all of us?

MatthevvSep 18, 201314 votes

This. If I wanted Reddit I would go on Reddit. I really really hate that site and I do not want this site to turn into reddit. Riot this new board is pretty much just Reddit.

IxionasSep 18, 20133 votes

I love reddit, and spend the majority of my time on it, but I don't see the point of having two reddits. I think having one traditional forum is ok.

RiotKrylhosSep 18, 201316 votes

I agree that vBulletin has it's merits and Reddit (like all systems) has it's flaws, and in the end we decided that there's great value in removing all constraints and taking cues from all successful community platforms and preparing to fill in the gaps that are left behind.

Yes, we could have simply turned on some vBulletin features and left it at that...honestly I feel like you deserve better than that. At the core of it, we wanted to break all constraints that held us back from really trying to give this community something truly awesome, and in order to be able to quickly shift and rapidly make changes and deliver them to you, we built something new.

What we launched today is a very early release, and we're excited to continue to evolve and make this community experience our own.

PryotraSep 18, 201333 votes

I appreciate trying to do right by us, but open an ear. MANY people don't like the reddit style for the current announcements, and this is only exaggerated by the fact that riot abandoned the Announcements forum. And this is what you are suggesting happening to ALL forums. If it isn't working in the one forum Riot can control all topics, why would you assume it would be wonderfull where you have much less control.

Part of the problem is that riot seems so dead set on getting new forums that they don't seem to be listening to the biggest complaint. People would go to the sub-reddit if people wanted that style. The reason it even functions over there is because they have active moderators, something this forum clearly lacks. Some people, I would wager a large majority of the people speaking against these forums, don't want this.

I will give credit where credit is due. These forums have got some small things right. This list includes a form of avatars, a way to change your vote, post history, notifications for replies, and a profile page. ALL OF THESE ARE POSSIBLE UNDER VBULLETIN.

Please elaborate why you feel that reddit is so much Superior to vbulletin for your needs. Because I know I am not alone in having a hard time seeing this as anything but a downgrade.

As a side note, please have someone redo this color scheme, it LITERALLY turns my eyes red after 15 minutes of exposure.

KiraliciousSep 18, 201312 votes

I second all of this, and wish to add my two cents as well:

First, fixed width with this format is insanity, at minimum the page should have fluid width so that it can expand to my screen size. As it is it is very narrow and like 60% of my browser window at the size I normally have it is wasted.

Second, I loathe reddit-style nesting. I loathe it. Pryotra makes the comment about the changes that were made to the Announcement system. I wholeheartedly agree with those. They're confusing, and difficult to participate in.

Traditional forums with chronological threads of posts in a flat style is much easier to understand and follow. Threaded is a mass of threads within threads within threads that gets very confusing, very quickly, both to find new content in a given thread of interest and to follow a conversation, since it can fork, then fork again and you've got related conversations, all within one thread, but that have managed to diverge.

This isn't possible in a traditional forum, because all posts are listed in chronological format, and people know who is talking to whom through the use of quoting. That is satisfactory.

Please do not follow reddit.

KittoesSep 18, 20135 votes

He actually didn't say that Reddit > vBulletin. He said a custom system allows them to do things that vBulletin otherwise wouldn't which is completely accurate. What I don't understand is why you're dead set on a particular technology. vBulletin is great if you don't have the time or ability to develop things yourself but, like all such frameworks, it's very limiting when you want to start doing your own custom stuff.

It's not that you can't do custom stuff with vBulletin either it's just that it's a lot easier to do what you want with your software when you're the one who built it. They have said numerous times that this is a very early release and they want to get our feedback so that they can make improvements. They're at a point in their software where the only logical way to push development forward is to solicit feedback from the software's potential users to find out what they truly want out of the software.

I'd say that it's a decent start and they have a LONG way to go. That seems to be Riot's opinion as well.

PryotraSep 19, 20139 votes

He certainly implied superiority in his first 2 sentences. There is a reason that more forums haven't converted to reddit mode, and it's a matter of strengths. Reddit is great for light hearted banter, but poor when it comes to more serious discussion.

Seriously, I see very little that has addressed the severe weaknesses toward discussion. Where are the updates we keep hearing will be posted? If this board hasn't replaced the forums yet, where have the riot posts gone there? A good portion of them are here.

The worst part of all of it is that this LoL reddit has such poor styling that most refuse to post here, but rather have posted it in the announcement thread on the real forums. So where is the response to all the feedback there?

Here, I see 3 main reasons for disliking this forum: You can't follow discussion, because it is reddit, it's very user unfriendly, because it is reddit, and you can't really sort threads in any meaningful way, because it's reddit.

On the announcement thread stickied in GD alone I see the following:

LOL, reddit
We already have the most popular subreddit outside /gonewild, and it serves its purpose better than here.
Hard to navigate
Very, very messy/its kinda just piled in the middle
RP forums are screwed
Painful to look at
Reddit sans moderators is basically 4chan. considering that Riot doesn't really use moderators...
Rediit favors circlejerking/quickest witty joke, not discussion
Default navigation is dumb, and the Recent sort is pants on head tarded. No really good way to sort
refreshing/loading more on a page here resorts all things. Impossible to follow
Riot has already abandoned the forum, and doesn't really respond to feed back over there
Why do we HAVE to be reddit? what feature about it makes it BETTER for vbulletin for discussion? We have yet to have this answered

By the time I post this, I will have no clue what I missed in this thread. Why? because reddit. Please riot, respond to the critism, not just here but there as well. This post alone should be long enough for you to realize that the more wordy of us break this format with our verbosity.

Also, formatting on this POS version sucks very hard. The manual is pretty bad, and any web dev worth his paycheck will tell you that users shouldn't need a manual to use your site.

Revali Vah MedohSep 19, 20133 votes

Honestly, I have never heard of the "Vbulletin" system of postings. I go onto the League website to observe the forums and try to find out what other opinions summoners have about champions and the game. I Have been to reddit a time or two to check out Riot postings when new champs went live or AMAs. I did not like how it the comments did not seem to have any logical chronology and development as a conversation. I thoroughly enjoy the current format of the Forums section of the League website and would not be thrilled to see a new style that I would have to accustom myself to.

PryotraSep 19, 20133 votes

vbulletin is the current system used by the current forums. These beta forums use a reddit architecture.

DarkstarIVSep 18, 20139 votes

Hell. I'll even go one further. I agree with you Krylhos that we do deserve better. But this isn't better than the current forums. It's better than more recent versions of vBulletin however (vB4 and 5 are massive trainwrecks)! No web developer will argue with that. However, what is stopping Riot from just switching forum software to something a little more refined, like IP.Board? If keeping posts or something is a primary concern, they have top notch client support, and support several major companies/groups, like the NHL and NBC. Alternatively, if that's not an option, try Xenforo or roll your own software (that isn't reddit style). If learning the software is an issue, both companies will help you out, or barring that, I've worked on IP.Board sites for 6-7 years, and Xenforo since it was released to the public.

People who visit the League of Legends forums probably don't like the reddit layout. Personally for me, reddit style layouts tend to be a pain to navigate and read. It's hard to keep track of what is new, and what isn't. Also with this system, it seems that it would cause a circle-jerk like community. Which from what I understand, is toxic.

Just scrap these "forums", and switch to a proven software (or take large amounts of feedback BEFORE starting this project). No one will judge you any less for it.

That's just my two cents though, and I know Riot seems to be dead set on forcing these new "forums" on everyone.

CynicattSep 18, 20135 votes

A lot of people don't like this Reddit style. I have found myself looking at announcement comments and thinking "at least this is only on announcements and not the actual forum".

I thought that back when beta for the new site started you guys had listened to feedback and decided not to put this reddit forum on the site, but now you're just throwing that decision away because you "feel like" we "deserve" this, when it's something most of us don't even like nor want.

There's a lot about this particular setup that is extremely frustrating and conversations are hard to follow. For example: I can reply to a post, or I can reply to a reply of a post, but I can't reply to a reply of a reply of a post, so everything at the third level just becomes a mash-up of confusing posts because nobody can reply directly to one another at that point.

KatrisaSep 18, 20135 votes

I do think though that while Reddit style may be poor for long conversations and announcements. I do think this style may be better for developer interaction and feedback.

To me the current forum style basically is such that if a developer wants to follow they have to read every single post. There is no filter, no trees of discussion. It is the exact opposite of organic. So I can completely understand why you all might be leaning this new direction.

I applaud you for attempting to challenge the old system. Because I concur, while we may like some aspects of forums, they fundamentally are not working for feedback.

CelestyaSep 18, 20133 votes

It really doesn't do us any good truthfully. This is ugly, clunkier, less friendly to lengthy conversation, and impossible to follow when it gets bigger. Already hate Reddit for that fact, why are you guys copying that o_o?

SacrixSep 20, 20133 votes

"I agree that vBulletin has it's merits and Reddit (like all systems) has it's flaws, and in the end we decided that there's great value in removing all constraints and taking cues from all successful community platforms and preparing to fill in the gaps that are left behind."

You mean you blatantly copied the Reddit format because they are popular. Are you all thinking this way, or has Riot just gone insane as a whole.

Reddit is popular because of it's content, not it's layout. There will be nay-sayers of course, but the fact of the matter is, Riot, Reddit is not a forum. Taking their lay-out, which was designed to accommodate their popularity based system, does not work for a forums.

Take a good hard look at this thread:http://community.na.leagueoflegends.com/c/beta-feedback/OI8QmnuW-if-this-reddit-style-goes-live-im-done

Many people stand beside it already, and many more support it on the actual forums, which it seems you have already abandoned by means of your absolute lack of response to anything said there.

I like these forums, not this Reddit copy-paste, but the actual forums. To see them go, and get replaced with this atrocious attempt at "creating a new forum" would leave me with no reason to ever come back.

The forums as they are now, are not perfect, but they can be so, SO, easily fixed, but just adding some density to them. Instead of just scrapping the forums, and pressing Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, with the Reddit layout. Why not do some actual work to the pre-existing, completely functional forums.

Actually take the community into consideration for once. Take what we've wanted, FOR YEARS, and actually put some effort into fixing those things.

We've been a community for how long? And we still lack even the most basic of forum functions. What the fuck is that? I know them main focus is fixing the game, and that takes a hell of a lot of man hours, but really. Look over here and stop treating us like unwanted step-children.

Where are the profile pages? The Avatars? The ability to quickly and easily find posts? The ability to follow and favorite threads? The ability to have signatures?

There are games that literally have a fan-base of 100 people, who have more "dense" forums than the ones that currently exist for a community of MILLIONS! It's completely unacceptable. And the fact that you're trying to use this Reddit photocopy as an escape to "appease" us. Is pathetic. You solve none of the previous problems that the existing forums have, if anything you've just created more problems with this layout.

Throwing this into live, would drop people, who have used the forums for years, into new and uncharted territory. Ironic I say uncharted seeing as how I've referenced the Reddit look so many times now.

If people wanted Reddit, they would use the League Sub-Reddit. I can speak for myself, and probably many others. We don't want Reddit, we want a fucking forum. Put some time into fixing what exists, before you scrap it all.

Don't scrap something that isn't broken. Fix it and make it better.

I know this will probably get lost easily due to this crappy layout, but I've had my words. If even one Red reads them, I hope they will at least consider my voice in this sea of millions. We want something better, not a copy of something worse.

Young Luv MurderSep 20, 20136 votes

This thread is a perfect example of why this is a bad set up. If you try to follow a conversation its REALLY hard.

Scrolling down and seeing how it gets "layered" so that the "top" layer is a reply, to a reply, to a reply to a reply to a reply to the thread, its just annoying. I want to see what people have to say to this post, or to the thread, and to do so I need to scroll passed EVERYTHING else that has been replied to before I get there. Its bad design and terrible at keeping discussions fluent.

We deserve "better" than you just turning on features, and you offer us this. This is, in all honesty, a complete step in the wrong direction. It is terrible, and I don't mean to make any of you feel bad but from what I've seen all you Rioters talking about this seem uninterested in what the community has to say even though you are asking for our feedback. most of us don't like it and all of you just say that this is an "early" release even though we've all known about it for almost half a year now and NOTHING has been done to change it from this shitty(in our opinion, which you say you care about) format to something we actually like.

Instead of defending it you could actually state something along the lines of "Okay, we've realized that most of the community doesn't like this setup, and we will change it to something they would much rather use. Thank you for your input."

I doubt this will happen though, its easy to tell you guys want this style and it doesn't matter what we say. (example: Still never told anyone as far as I can tell, I hate this format I can't find anything easily, WHY you think this will be better. You just give, really, half ass answers disregarding half the actual post.)

If we deserve better than "that" we deserve better than "this". I'm not saying you guys don't work hard, I know you do. And I really appreciate what everyone at riot does for the community. But when you say you want our feedback then make us all feel like you aren't even listening, that pisses me off. If you are listening then actually show us. Otherwise it just looks like you don't care that most of us hate this style and are just going to go forward with it anyway. You don't even have to make a big ole'thread about it, just actually state for once that you -realize there is a lot of negative feedback about this style-.

RCIXSep 18, 20132 votes

....They didn't turn anything off. The "new forums" are literally a reskin. That's it. No clue where anyone is getting "but they turned everything off".

PryotraSep 18, 20138 votes

vbulletin comes with many features stock. These features have been disabled in the current league of legends forums.

RCIXSep 18, 20134 votes

And they were disabled since forever. The "new forums" they were touting was literally a new coat of paint is what I'm saying.

PryotraSep 18, 20136 votes

I've been diving into the code, The paint hides alot.

you know, like page 1 links.

Sp1n KuroSep 18, 20133 votes

Can't make signatures or your own avatars are the big ones that are turned off.

ZertryxSep 18, 20134 votes

I agree, i hate reddit, i never used them because of this style is so un user friendly.

and as mentioned, the fact that if your post isn't up-voted its very hard for it to be seen if its late into a conversation due to the fact how "load more" and refresh / up-vote system works.

say im reading a thread and it has a ton of responses and its getting heavy traffic. i get to the load more button press it BUT THEN because people are constantly up-voting / down-voting it ends up reorganizing everything to the "current" votes and pushes stuff i already read back onto my screen, pushing less popular discussion down more and I'll never see it because i have to "Fight" against the current of votes when ever i hit load more just to continue reading anything.

And this aggravates me to no end. Make "continuous" post an option (like the current forums)

PryotraSep 19, 20133 votes

I find Irony at how far down this post is on the page, even when it replies to the most upvoted reply. It's almost like it's a self proving point.

CupcakeTrapJul 24, 20141 votes

Yeah, don't folllow reddit. This is literally their biggest flaw, and it is inherent in how reddit works. It's great for reddit, but that system doesn't belong everywhere.

This. Reddit is a news site. This is a discussion site.

You need to make serious changes to the Reddit visibility algorithms, at the very least, if you want this to be a discussion site.

Volume of discussion should matter. This is perhaps the best thing about the "bump" mechanic: it properly incorporates the significance of people who care enough to post something, even if many don't pause to upvote.

Here's another quick proposal to help promote real discussion.

Have a "tag" system for topics. Allow posters to indicate (e.g. with a hashtag) what their post is about. (e.g. "KarthusRework2014" or "SupportGold")
Allow people to click on those tags and view an index of the most active/highest-rated threads with those tags.

PryotraJul 24, 20141 votes

Me thinks you sorted by best, no?

This is a pretty old thread. While I still stand by what I said earlier, I do think they have improved. They still aren't done, but they have at least addressed this thread with action. I hope to see that continue.

You have a pretty good Idea with the Tag system btw. I suggest that you tell them that in a new thread so they actually see it. Just choose a different symbol other than #. It already has a formatting function, and would screw with pre-existing posts if used in that manner.

EleshakaiSep 18, 20137 votes

I posted a thread on this... Reddit's success is in the timing it came about and the communities that built around it... it's format is the worst part of the service and it's why I don't use it.

PRNSep 18, 20132 votes

You need the best of both worlds, in this case. Reddit + Forum.

Have the front page consist of both popular threads and new threads. Don't let new threads drop off the first page too fast. You need more visuals to let us differentiate between "old threads that are just upvoted alot" and "new threads that are fresh". Also, upvoted threads need a different formula than reddit on how to drop off the front page as it ages, since League of Legends discussion goes by much faster than Reddit.

BESIDES that. More to the point: Have the replies system set up in a traditional forum manner, without sorting them by "best".

Alternative: Let the replies be sorted out by "best" rating, but display a live-comment section at the top showing a compact version of newest posts. (Look to Youtube's comment section for this as an example; Youtube usually has a "view comments live" where high-traffic comments are scrolled through in real time). Further promote these "newest posts" by also displaying a "rising" section where posts getting a little recognition are displayed.

Dizzy SoulSep 18, 20134 votes

The biggest flaw I see with reddit is this:

After the front page is filled with comment threads, new comment threads might as well be invisible. Because of the above, people glom onto top comments in order to be relevant, and it often turns into a useless circlejerk. Top comments wield too much power on reddit.

You might get some inspiration on how reviews are sorted on sites like amazon.com. They dedicate some screen estate to showing the top rated and most critical comments in the thread, in addition to showing comments in a (sort of) chronological order. This allows people to view a thread from multiple angles.

Also, I think the time-based weighting of comments happens too quickly on Reddit, making new comments disappear rather quickly.

Vauntless ClairSep 18, 20131 votes

Also sounds similar to how Youtube has their comments. It's not bad.

CynicattSep 18, 20135 votes

I just want to poke in and say it's really annoying how new comments in a thread are neither put at the top or the bottom by default, but sandwiched in the middle between things that have a lot of upvotes and things that have gotten downvotes.

The sorting feature helps like the OP said, but really, who's going to use that? Most people are just going to look at the top comments, so there really becomes little reason to reply to any conversation that has already started because nobody is going to find what you typed to read it.

I somehow feel that that's what you guys were going for though, a way to keep threads short and kill them faster.

BuckeyeSundaeSep 19, 20133 votes

One of the big problems with reddit related to what the OP has said here (and this is speaking as a mod of /r/leagueoflegends) is the reddit cycle. Basically, the reddit cycle is fast, faster when there is more content submitted to a community. We normally see a full turnover of front page threads in /r/leagueoflegends twice or three times a day. That's about 50-60 unique frontpage posts among about 900 posts per day.

What this means is that it is sometimes hard for conversations to remain sustained in a system with a very high turnover. After about 8-10 hours on most front page threads, discussions usually start to devolve into back-and-forths between certain interested users. The incentive for new viewers to contribute is reduced because there are fewer people looking at the thread.

Not saying that the alternative in the old forum was any better. Just that the reddit cycle has its strains as well.

Additionally, the speed with which a new thread rises to top varies with how complex that thread is. Easier to consume content will rise faster than thought-provoking material. The reason is simple: it takes about a second for the average person to determine whether a funny picture of jax is worth voting for. Meanwhile, it takes the average person many minutes to read through a thoughtful and well reasoned argument about a particular game mechanic.

The result: the funny jax thread will rise to the top much faster than the thought-provoking analysis.

In /r/leagueoflegends, we've implemented a rule that is actually built into the structure of this forum: images must be sumbitted as text posts. Even still, that rule was not enough to keep memes, jokes, and other easy to consume material from flooding the front page so we had to take other steps as well--such as outright banning memes, one-liners, and posts at are exclusively jokes. We push that content to other league subreddits that are more focused on that material.

I am a little tired at the moment, so I get the feeling that I just made two different arguments in the same post, but I hope this explained a couple of concerns that you'll likely end up having to think through if you haven't already. Perhaps you'll work a solution into the algorithm for sorting (though I've noticed some wonky sharply downvoted material remaining at the top of certain posts).

Anyway, good luck.

DarklightningSep 19, 20131 votes

You can only vote once in this system. What if you were given a bump point that you could use once an hour or day (if you're too concerned)? I say more than once a day but less than once an hour. Also it doesn't stack up, you only have it refreshed. This lets you go in and bump something that is important to you with a point. Others could do the same.

QutseSep 20, 20131 votes

Change the first landing page. Emphasize the sub-communites by giving them the same large colorful square buttons as the current forums. In this vision, the first landing page doesn't have the "global" hot/recent/etc pane. You have to drill down one click to find it just the same as the sub-communities topic areas.

In this way, you encourage people to go to a view that has a little less velocity, churn, change-over, and a little more staying and sticking time. In this way your landing page will look different than reddit, but it will ease user transition, and probably even be better suited to your needs in the long term.

Also, I am not sure the notion "sub-communities" translates from reddit to a game forum. Is it really "communities" within another community or a method of organizing post? The organization is fine, but the "sub-community" part of it sounds a little off.

ValentenSep 18, 20139 votes

I completely agree with this I dislike the Reddit style for that reason... i dont look at the forums to see who can make the most widely liked post i look to see what people think despite how popular their idea is.

Sp1n KuroSep 18, 20137 votes

Imo, I'm a user of both reddit and sometimes league forums.

Reddit style is good for reddit, not for league forums.

What would be good is have a traditional forum that allows us to make our own signatures and have avatars whether they be summoner icons or just whatever we choose from images.

And, then just heavily moderate it to remove pointless posts in discussion threads. A lot of the problem with the league forums is the lack of good moderation. Look at things like TL or Elitist Jerks for a good representation of a forum.

Obviously you could have a dedicated forum section for people to talk about off topic things, but the main discussion threads like champion, item builds, game modes and suggestions should be serious boards.

None of the "roit pls" stuff in those boards.

ExacerberusSep 18, 20136 votes

Reddit style is just about hyping and giving more visibility to the most upvoted (usually the older) posts and it's not healthy for any in-depth forum discussion. I really hate it and how much Riot is trying to jump on that bandwagon: this is not going to be an improvement at all.

CrunkSep 18, 20136 votes

plus reddit already exists

AwesomeBathtubSep 18, 20135 votes

The way I see it, the old system was clunky in its own right, but it did lead to more interesting discussion due to its organization format. It lacked a few key features like seeing replies to a post, or sorting by the post score. But the way to go, in my opinion, is to add those features to the standard forum format. We already have the LoL subreddit if we want this style of discussion, and while it might provide more focused categorization of threads, there are also plenty of subreddits (r/leagueoflegendsmeta, r/summoners, etc.) that cover most of the existing forum categories here.

If Riot wants to have a community like that under their control, they should make an official League subreddit or somehow get an employee as a mod of r/leagueoflegends (though that probably wouldn't fly due to conflict of interest). The League forums should, in my opinion, be a place where popularity of opinion matters little. Every voice should be heard, and that is simply not how this format works. If this is to go live, at least include an option to view it more in the style of a traditional forum.

LilybetSep 19, 20131 votes

Reddit actually frowns upon employees of a company moderating for a subreddit for its product. It's not against the rules, however.

KCIV4Sep 18, 20134 votes

why not make a top comments and then a recently added comments or something along those lines. or just have nested convos.

Kajika91Sep 18, 20133 votes

Things could be mixed, have the 3-5 first posts as newest ones then all the best following...

HellsawSep 19, 20133 votes

I'm honestly going to wear out my mouse wheel having to scroll down so much on my wide screen. . . My biggest pain of this style is that I like having a start and a end. A flow of events or ideas that follows when it was posted not trying to piece together if a post relates to another post in a sub thread. And scrolling down through the forum skipping post to see what was replied to original thought should have a better mechanic

FreezmanSep 18, 20132 votes

It's not like posts that are not upvoted get deleted or. Hidden you can sort comments by "best" and "recent".

Vauntless ClairSep 19, 20133 votes

SO in a scenario where you're giving feedback and are waiting for a reply of some sort, if you're somewhere in the middle (Neither best nor 'recent') you're still screwed with looking up all that valuable info in a giant wall of popularity.

I suppose you should consider yourself lucky for now, you're smack dab at the bottom. But it's okay, you're post doesn't have the least amount of votes either <_<?

But you're probably also regretting not being more immaculate in your writing, because it looks like your post was near the first to be written, but unfortunately noone will want to read it after this sea of everything else.

So even if EVERYONE ELSE decides they have a similar view as you, even After you stated such, it won't even matter because the person to post a reply... to pretty much anything else higher up, will receive more attention, while the rest forgotten about.

PS: Just like my post might not ever be looked at, it's neither anywhere near the best, nor will it ever show up under the "recent".

PPS: ALL Opinions matter, I don't feel this provides that opportunity.

FreezmanSep 20, 20131 votes

what about a scenario where using the chronological system (old forums) a random thread gets big enough that it has tens of pages or even a post about a new champion that gets hundreds of pages of replies. How is my comment that is on the 237th page visible? No one will read it. With this system, there is a pretty good chance of a post getting up votes and getting visibility even after many hours of a threads life.

I'm not saying only some opinions matter, but for the people that want to read the best, most interesting comments regarding a given thread, its a great system.

I'm probably trying to say that there are ups and downs to both forum systems and you cannot make everyone happy.

They are not doping support of the "old format" forums.

jinxedchefOct 20, 20142 votes

I don't understand why they went this way. If I wanted to go to a LOL redit there already was one. Plus the ugly blue is impossible to read. Anyone with a brain will tell you to put a light background with dark letters, not vice versa. New Coke was a better idea than these boards. They have no upside at all.

Lindsey BotOct 26, 20131 votes

I think this problem could partially be fixed by having the option to change the default setting of how comments are sorted.

If the default setting for comment viewing was "comments sorted by RECENT" or even implement an "OLD" setting, it would be more like a normal forum instead of a popularity contest.

bahamutkaiserNov 7, 20131 votes

Forwarding one more to the bottom of the conversation, yeah, this method is really bad at documenting subject progression and only allows for popular remarks and snippets to be singled out.

Personally, I'd rather have a much more detailed forum, one where you can click on a post and draw up all the replies to that post or reply chain, or draw up all of the top voted remarks is nice, but circumventing conversation with an emphasis on replies is entirely destructive to ongoing discussion.