Why isn't racism against whites considered toxic by Riot Games?

LaceUp23·9/2/2015, 9:31:31 PM·9 votes·2,913 views

Edit: I'm going to try and ask rito is a support ticket lol. Let's shall be interesting! Will keep you guys updated.

Mr. rito guy posted about our new boards profanity filter. Here is the list that he gave:

beaner n1gger nigger nigg3r n1gg3r nigg@ nigga niqqa n1qqa n1qq4 n1qq@ niqq4 niqq@ n1gg@ n1gga ching chong chinaman chink tranny sand nigger cunt faget f@get f4get fag3t f@g3t f4g3t fag f@g f4g fgt f@gget fagget f@ggit fagit f@g1t f4g1t fag1t faggit faggot f@ggot fagg0t f@gg0t f4ggot f4gg0t gook g00k go0k g0ok spick

Notice that there are not any hate speech words against whites on here, such as cracker or honkey. I'm just confused as to why rito thinks it's ok to be toxic and racist towards whites but not other races? The bottom line is that these words mean the exact same thing as racial slurs against other races. There is no difference. The are all based off of racial hate.

54 Comments

Deep Terror Nami9/2/2015, 9:45:18 PM6 votes

Because there's no hate speech against white people that people think is offensive.

SwapShadows9/2/2015, 10:54:38 PM3 votes

As you grow up you realize that it's not racist when it's not a white person.

Also you'll realize every problem is blamed on white people

"dropped my pencil, god damn white people"

Angry Monster9/2/2015, 9:52:36 PM3 votes

So the problem with cracker is that it is a food item. When i was growing up (80s kid) i had no context when i heard black comedians talk about crackers. I never followed black culture; and being called a saltine was just werid, thought it had to do with skin color. I had to look up what it meant for a black person to say it. I still get a laugh when i hear the term though.

I am going to say it is sorta proof that certain communities are better about letting things go. I was never taught racist names were by my parents. Half of what i learned actually came from school, history books, the half from the world refusing to let go.

Why bother empowering those people that want to bring food to a fight?

Archon X9/2/2015, 9:39:26 PM2 votes

honkey and cracker are not hate speech. I'm white I would know.

warpenguin5559/2/2015, 10:38:39 PM2 votes

if this gets took down due to swear words i will laugh so hard

Blastermine9/3/2015, 12:16:51 AM2 votes

OP, the answer is because no one cares.

TeemoJenkins9/2/2015, 9:51:55 PM2 votes

Politics and religion... two things I don't get into with others... and this is absolutely political.

Meep Man9/3/2015, 12:39:22 AM1 votes

Because I don't find any "white person insult" thrown my way to be very offensive. I mean, sure, ban names and people who really go far with it, but I haven't been offended by being called a cracker before.

Reaper Soraka9/2/2015, 10:39:05 PM1 votes

Ha! Look at this crazy cracka thinking honkeys can be victims of racism.

Honestly, I've never found those words to be offensive, but it does refer to a skin color. I don't know if they should be censored or not... Nigga is a reference to someone's skin color, and usually isn't considered negative. So it appears they should be censored as well, judging by Riots current list.

powerbats9/2/2015, 11:13:56 PM1 votes

Cracker when used as an insult is considered an offensive term, while fa***t is actually a historical term referring to railroad ties back in the late 1800's early 1900's. It wasn't really used widespread as a negative term until the late 50's early 60's and later.

Here's some historical definitions for those interested since it was also used as far back as 1590 for other definitions. Hopefully this clears up some misconceptions about it.

late 13c., "bundle of twigs bound up," also fagald, faggald, from Old French fagot "bundle of sticks" (13c.), of uncertain origin, probably from Italian faggotto "bundle of sticks," diminutive of Vulgar Latin *facus, from Latin fascis "bundle of wood" (see fasces).

Especially used for burning heretics (emblematic of this from 1550s), so that phrase fire and faggot was used to indicate "punishment of a heretic." Heretics who recanted were required to wear an embroidered figure of a faggot on the sleeve as an emblem and reminder of what they deserved.

"male homosexual," 1914, American English slang, probably from earlier contemptuous term for "woman" (1590s), especially an old and unpleasant one, in reference to faggot (n.1) "bundle of sticks," as something awkward that has to be carried (compare baggage "worthless woman," 1590s). It may also be reinforced by Yiddish faygele "homosexual" (n.), literally "little bird." It also may have roots in British public school slang noun fag "a junior who does certain duties for a senior" (1785), with suggestions of "catamite," from fag. This also spun off a verb (see fag).

He [the prefect] used to fag me to blow the chapel organ for him. ["Boy's Own Paper," 1889] Other obsolete British senses of faggot were "man hired into military service merely to fill out the ranks at muster" (1700) and "vote manufactured for party purposes" (1817).

The explanation that male homosexuals were called faggots because they were burned at the stake as punishment is an etymological urban legend. Burning sometimes was a punishment meted out to homosexuals in Christian Europe (on the suggestion of the Biblical fate of Sodom and Gomorrah), but in England, where parliament had made homosexuality a capital offense in 1533, hanging was the method prescribed. Use of faggot in connection with public executions had long been obscure English historical trivia by the time the word began to be used for "male homosexual" in 20th century American slang, whereas the contemptuous slang word for "woman" (in common with the other possible sources or influences listed here) was in active use early 20c., by D.H. Lawrence and James Joyce, among others.

Another historical dissertation.

The term faggot or fagot, meaning bundle of sticks, shows up around 1300 in English. It almost certainly came from Old French, possibly going back to Greek phakelos. Since those bundles of sticks were mainly used for fires, it's not surprising that the term came to mean burning sticks. Then there was that nasty business in medieval times where heretics were burned at the stake. Some later cites indicate heretics who repented and were spared a fiery death had to wear a picture of a faggot on their sleeve to show what might have been their fate. But no print evidence exists that homosexuals were referred to as faggots before the twentieth century, with the origin definitely in the U.S., not Britain.

The British continued to use the words fag and faggot as nouns, verbs and adjectives right through the early 20th century, never applying it to homosexuals at any time. To fag or to be a fag was a common term in British schools from the late 1700s and referred to a lower classman who performed chores for upperclassmen. While this term was also in vogue at Harvard in the first half of the 19th century, it died out by the mid-1800s in the U.S., leaving it in use only in England. Nineteenth century Britons also heard "faggot" used in reference to an ill-tempered woman, i.e., a ball-buster, a battleaxe, a shrew. That meaning of the term continued into the early 20th century, and the usage was gradually applied to children as well as women. The relationship, if any, between faggot-as-bundle-of-sticks and faggot-as-shrewish-woman is unknown.

The first known published use of the word faggot or fag to refer to a male homosexual appeared in 1914 in the U.S. It referred to a homosexual ball where the men were dressed in drag and called them "fagots (sissies)." Ernest Hemingway, in The Sun Also Rises (1926), included the line, "You're a hell of a good guy, and I'm fonder of you than anybody on earth. I couldn't tell you that in New York. It'd mean I was a faggot." A 1921 cite says, "Androgynes [are] known as 'fairies,' 'fags,' or 'brownies.'"

George Chauncey, in his excellent 1994 work Gay New York: Gender, Urban Culture, and the Making of the Gay Male World, 1890-1940, says that the terms fairy, faggot, and queen were used by homosexuals to refer to men who were ostentatiously effeminate. Homosexuals who were not as showy referred to themselves as "queer" in the first decades of the 20th century. But the general public mainly called homosexuals "fairies." If you were in London in the 1920s through the 1940s and used the term "fag," the man in the street might have offered you a cigarette, and quite possibly that would have been the case with many Americans at the time.

All of this does little to answer your original question: How did a bundle of sticks come to mean a homosexual male? Most likely it didn't. Here we'll have to go to theory. Since I'm writing this, mine will have to do.

We notice with some words a progression of usage that morphs along the lines of "woman/girl" > "woman/girl/child" > "effeminate male" > "homosexual male." The word fairy is a good example. "Faggot" in the sense of an ill-tempered woman is another. I independently came to that conclusion while answering a general question on the SDMB. But, in a post to the American Dialect Society mailing list, Dr. Laurence Horn, professor of linguistics at Yale University, posted the progression that I just used (he did it much more succinctly than I could). Still unexplained is how a Britishism jumped the ocean in a short period of time to acquire a new meaning in the U.S. Perhaps it was an independent formation. Words happen.

As a last thought, a current notion holds that the Yiddish word faygeleh, "little bird," might have been the source, but lacks evidence other than the claim that the word was commonly used in Yiddish prior to WWII to indicate a homosexual. With the digitizing of publications allowing searching never before possible, perhaps some further scholarship will be forthcoming to help solve the mystery.

Resources: Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang, edited by J. E. Lighter, New York, 1994-1997.

— samclem

Baunjo9/3/2015, 12:08:46 AM1 votes

Because only white people can be racist, all the other races are above reproach