AKA: If "John123" gets banned for spamming porn links or whatever, let us have the option to report "John1234" for Smurfing/Circumventing a ban. Granted, this should only be offered/enforced beyond reasonable doubt.
Daen2 votesI'm not sure what this would accomplish. There are four scenarios that currently happen, in my mind:
Basically, I have trouble seeing where the proposed system would come into play. Options 1 and 3 have no reason to be reported, and options 2 and 4 should be swiftly handled by the systems already in place.
Serevas1 votesSo you want to report people for leveling additional accounts?
Circumventing a ban, fine, that makes plenty of sense. The standard of proof would be massive they'd literally have to say something to the effect of. "Riot permabanned my main for trolling so I just made a new account to troll." The likelihood of that ever happening is so astronomically low that it wouldn't really be worth pursuing, and besides if that hit the tribunal they'd get hard punishments anyway.
Furthermore I can't comprehend how you'd want to report people for smurfing, typically people are just climbing the ladder again, and yeah it sucks to get roflstomped by a d1 ADC vayne main, but there's not really any way around that, and to ban people's accounts for it is just asinine. Again the standard of proof would have to be massive, and there's an astronomically low chance of that happening anyway.
Furthermore if someone is trolling, spamming, toxic, etc. There are already options to report said offenses in the current system.
Nova Skye1 votesI heard it a lot in low level normals towards the end of last season. And I mean a lot. The common phrase was "Report me, I dare you - that's what my smurf's for." There was a stretch where I could count on one person screaming this a day. Toxic people, when made mad, can be detrimentally blatant.
Daen1 votesAgreed for the most part, but I wanted to nitpick at one thing:
Furthermore I can't comprehend how you'd want to report people for smurfing, typically people are just climbing the ladder again, and yeah it sucks to get roflstomped by a d1 ADC vayne main, but there's not really any way around that, and to ban people's accounts for it is just asinine.
This is a really complicated issue, but there are ways to make smurfing dramatically better for everyone involved. One of my favorites is in two parts:
If creating a second account in League is prohibitively difficult it would be a lot harder for people to smurf in a negative way/circumvent bans. People wouldn't be able to just spam create new accounts, but the first one would be relatively easy to set up. A good example of this is two-factor authentication; it's a lot harder to create throwaway phone numbers than it is to create throwaway email addresses, but the first one is very easy to set up.
In addition, if it's possible to create multiple playable accounts under one login umbrella it allows for smurfing in a way more controlled manner. Accounts created under that umbrella would be directly linked to each other, which means that if one gets banned they will all get banned. The smurfs could even be based on a percentage of the rating of the main account, so that they never interact with new players at all.
Serevas1 votesIf creating a second account in League is prohibitively difficult it would be a lot harder for people to smurf in a negative way/circumvent bans. People wouldn't be able to just spam create new accounts, but the first one would be relatively easy to set up. A good example of this is two-factor authentication; it's a lot harder to create throwaway phone numbers than it is to create throwaway email addresses, but the first one is very easy to set up.
In addition, if it's possible to create multiple playable accounts under one login umbrella it allows for smurfing in a way more controlled manner. Accounts created under that umbrella would be directly linked to each other, which means that if one gets banned they will all get banned. The smurfs could even be based on a percentage of the rating of the main account, so that they never interact with new players at all.
I can see these being potentially very successful, the issue that I have is that the phone number concept relies on there not being multiple people playing under the same phone number. I'm certainly not going to give out my cell phone to get potentially sold off and spammed with telemarketing phone calls and the like, so typically you'd get a home phone. Let's assume some famous cases of family in the same home playing the game. Brian Wylie and Ainslie Wylie, also known as TheOddOne, and MapleStreet respectively. It's pretty easy to assume that they were likely playing the game under the same roof. Now assume that their accounts were linked through this system and TheOddOne decided he was done and was going to go out having fun, so he plays a bunch of troll picks, and throws games just to screw with people. Now TheOddOne gets banned, while Maplestreet's accounts get subsequently banned due to being under this same umbrella through originating phone number at the time of their creation.
The singular login umbrella is something that I'm rather fond of though, perhaps under an email address giving no real incentive to make multiple accounts. Excellent thoughts.
Daen1 votesUsing a phone number was just to present the idea, though there are a few things here I'm curious on.
I'm certainly not going to give out my cell phone to get potentially sold off and spammed with telemarketing phone calls and the like
There are agreements that can be created and are legally binding where the company is not allowed to share any phone information or include unsolicited communication. Riot has proven over the last five years that they do not abuse the email address associated with a given account, I can only assume this would be exactly the same for any other attached communication method.
so typically you'd get a home phone.
There is a generation of people that doesn't even know what a home phone is. The more important consideration here is the fact it limits the community to only people who have access to a phone.
Now assume that their accounts were linked through this system and TheOddOne decided he was done and was going to go out having fun, so he plays a bunch of troll picks, and throws games just to screw with people.
In such a system, OddOne would have a different account than MapleStreet. If one is banned, the other won't be affected.
As I mentioned above, I don't think using a phone number for authentication is necessarily a viable solution since it could potentially displace members of the League of Legends community that are already part of the game. I would, however, like to see some accountability when creating new accounts.
MXXIV1 votesDoesn't make sense. Ban is on account, not person currently (and maybe unfortunatelly). You break rules with account, you get it banned. You play nice with another, you're clean.
Real ban on person isn't really possible now. Or would you provide your fingerprint to Riot so that they can ban you forever if you break rules?
Hyrum Graff1 votesPersonally, I feel like the punishment is putting in the hours to level up that smurf. If that's not a big enough barrier, maybe we need to raise the level requirement or otherwise make it harder for a new account to start spamming the boards (ie, something like, "only allowed one post per day until you've been around for 10 days."
