Force downvoters to write why they downvote

Wolfeur·Aug 31, 2015·3 votes·773 views

I've recently written a thread about Ardent Censer, which got downvoted right away without explaination and it went totally unnoticed. Seeing that, I re-uploaded the thread a few hours later, hoping for a little more attention, but it got 2 downvotes in a single minute, not even enough to read the thread, and I still don't know if they are just trolling, if they disagree with my thread or if they don't like the title.

Force downvoters to explain their downvotes, to avoid impulsive and unexplained downvotes that buries a thread before it even has a chance to be seen.

Edit: I've just got a downvote, and I don't know what they don't like about it. Funny, isn't it?

35 Comments

Archon XAug 31, 20154 votes

I downvote Euros who post on the 'Murica board.

WolfeurAug 31, 20151 votes

Why?

SukishooSep 4, 20151 votes

Cause 'Murica duh xD and y'all have your own forum.

WolfeurSep 4, 20151 votes

There are no Rioter on the EUW boards.

BeatzBoyFTWAug 31, 20152 votes

It's mainly because people were looking down on you for being unranked/Bronze, yet still proposing random buffs for items as if you're a Mr. know-it-all.

WolfeurAug 31, 20151 votes

Well, a lot of people propose stuff and they're not getting downvoted.

(And yeah, I'm unranked because I never play ranked, but still, I have a good knowledge of the game and I watch streams and the LCS a lot)

I mean, I explain what I'm saying, why I think things can be good, but people don't seem to even care about what I'm saying.

Angry MonsterAug 31, 20152 votes

(And yeah, I'm unranked because I never play ranked, but still, I have a good knowledge of the game and I watch streams and the LCS a lot)

god i hate this reasoning. I am unranked but trust me i am good. I am bronze; i know it looks bad but i really know my stuff.

Down voted the main thread, but here is the reason. I am not always looking for a reply or a argument when i down vote.

SEKAIAug 31, 20152 votes

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god i hate this reasoning. I am unranked but trust me i am good. I am bronze; i know it looks bad but i really know my stuff.

You don't need to be a racer yourself to really know how to design or tune race cars. It'll help a great ton but it's not compulsory.

Same logic here, dunno why a lot of people don't seem to grasp it.

Angry MonsterAug 31, 20151 votes

LOL i doubt a professional racer design or tune race cars. They do work with people that do, they are called mechanics. A drivers input is necessary to understand what is happening behind the wheel. Though you are talking the equivalent of master and challenger level players as racers and mechanics.

Bronze and unranked people would be the equivalent of a person that has never changed the oil in a car. So the point is mute there. Riot looks at the game at X level and if you read and watched bronze contributions you would see why.

WolfeurAug 31, 20153 votes

It's not a reasoning. I'm not saying that I'm high Diamond, I'm between Silver and Gold, but I'm interested a lot in the development, I play since Brand's release, I have knowledge in game design and I think that my elo doesn't reflect my capacity to think and understand how the game works.

I'm not a very good player, I make a lot of mistakes, I have difficulties with global awareness, I'm not especially mechanically good... BUT that doesn't mean I can't have good ideas for the game.

If people could just read I'm people say without paying attention of the guy's elo, that would be way better. Some rioters are not good at playing, you know, but very good at creating.

Angry MonsterAug 31, 20151 votes

I have knowledge in game design and I think that my elo doesn't reflect my capacity to think and understand how the game works.

says every bronze player ever that wants to talk about balence.

I'm between Silver and Gold

no you are unranked, end of statement if you want to say a placement then you need to earn that rank. I am not saying that you can not be that level, but please earn the rank first.

I'm not a very good player, I make a lot of mistakes, I have difficulties with global awareness, I'm not especially mechanically good... BUT that doesn't mean I can't have good ideas for the game.

Sorta goes to the above point but also if you have all those problems i doubt that you are silver. You could have good ideas the point of my original quoting was that i hate when people say i am X but do not bother with my lack of achievements just trust me. Have you ever watched a bronze game? The players are truly clueless and are in bronze for a reason, though they think they know their stuff.

If people could just read I'm people say without paying attention of the guy's elo, that would be way better. Some rioters are not good at playing, you know, but very good at creating.

to be fair i did read what you said. I even said why i was down voting this particular thread so you would understand the mindset of some of the people who silently down vote. Look at this wall of text that i have created cause i feel you are wrong.

Are we going to come to an agreement? No. Is anyone really going to change their mind, No. So should i have written a reason why i down voted? Not really. Are we even on the topic of the thread, NOPE

WolfeurAug 31, 20151 votes

Ok, first of all, I'm not bronze. I got Silver II with my placement matches back in season 3. I've improved since then and I'm usually placed in queue with high silver and gold players, often beating them, that why I'm saying I'm between silver and gold, I'm not saying that out of the blue. But that's just speculation, I'm ok with that.

I'm happy you took time to read what I said and you seem to have a good reasoning. All I am asking in these previous comments is to judge one's ability to talk about balance by what he says, not what elo he is. If someone says something stupid, he's probably not good at it, but even a bronze can have a good reasoning, just focus on what he says, and don't be biased by his match history.

Remember Ratatouille, from Pixar? "Anyone can cook"

BeatzBoyFTWAug 31, 20151 votes

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Ok, first of all, I'm not bronze. I got Silver II with my placement matches back in season 3. I've improved since then and I'm usually placed in queue with high silver and gold players, often beating them, that why I'm saying I'm between silver and gold, I'm not saying that out of the blue. But that's just speculation, I'm ok with that.

That's Season 3. And you didn't even tried finding out your current ranks in both Season 4 & 5. Balances & reworks has been involved here & there, and that Silver 2 of yours is becoming more and more invalid as each patch passes by.

I'm happy you took time to read what I said and you seem to have a good reasoning. All I am asking in these previous comments is to judge one's ability to talk about balance by what he says, not what elo he is. If someone says something stupid, he's probably not good at it, but even a bronze can have a good reasoning, just focus on what he says, and don't be biased by his match history.

Match history acts as evidence. And ever heard of the saying:

#Actions Speaks Louder Than Words or #Easier Said Than Done

These sayings were very logical if you think about it in certain scenarios:

A guy whining for Riven nerfs, when in reality, he hasn't even tried her out, thus does not know the difficulty & risks he has to take for playing that champion.
A guy whining that his suspension/bans was not deserved, yet was too scared/didn't bothered to post any chat logs or reform card links. No evidence, no mercy from Boards Community. It's still the truth if you don't prove your innocence.

And lastly.....

Remember Ratatouille, from Pixar? "Anyone can cook"

Yep. The rat indeed cooked, while the boy was left to waitering instead of becoming a true chef. "Anyone" my ass. While you on the other hand, never even bought a single Ardent Censor to test out its liability points & STILL DARES to propose "buffs".

WolfeurAug 31, 20152 votes

While you on the other hand, never even bought a single Ardent Censor to test out its liability points & STILL DARES to propose "buffs".

Oh, because you have access to my match history in normals, now? I've tested Ardent Censer many times and I don't like it. And pro players don't like it either.

Angry MonsterAug 31, 20151 votes

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/25777010

no your worse than bronze you are UNRANKED. I do not care what past achievements you have and honestly no one else will either. Glad that is out of the way.

Remember Ratatouille, from Pixar? "Anyone can cook"

if you paid attention all the way to end of the movie it was that not that any could cook. The meaning was that do not get hung up on preconceived stereo types. yes anyone from any where CAN but do they. You missed the point of the movie. It is like saying a black person can not make sushi cause they are black. No, they can make the best if they have talent, drive and dedication.

I'm happy you took time to read what I said and you seem to have a good reasoning. All I am asking in these previous comments is to judge one's ability to talk about balance by what he says, not what elo he is. If someone says something stupid, he's probably not good at it, but even a bronze can have a good reasoning, just focus on what he says, and don't be biased by his match history.

There is so much wrong here, it makes my head spin. Lets start with elo and perception. if you are bad at something in real life why would someone trust you as someone to talk about it. So why would you bother with the bottom 60% of the player base that are bad?

Even if all the bad players agree on a topic that does not even make them right since they usually have poor in game choices and or mechanics. Their can be a few gems of brilliance but usually this comes from an outside prospective like Math. When a person can boil something down to pure logic you can over look the "i suck at this" flaw. Most bronze players have think they have logic and say X and then compare it to X. The problem is that they are taking parts of things out of context like annie stun verus vieger or who ever. This gets very tiring to see as 60+% of the player base is sliver and lower.

Now back to you directly just like your idea where people have to post when downvoting. You never have considered that you are just wrong and people are actually reading what you say. You could be so out of line (i personally think you are clueless) that nothing you say is resonating. You are getting down voted for a reason and you just do not see why. I get down voted a lot cause i am not nice (ex i said you were clueless). I at least know why i am down voted most of the time. I could probably write a small paper on all the possible reasons why you are getting down voted based off this thread alone.

Archon XAug 31, 20151 votes

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Well, a lot of people propose stuff and they're not getting downvoted.

(And yeah, I'm unranked because I never play ranked, but still, I have a good knowledge of the game and I watch streams and the LCS a lot)

I mean, I explain what I'm saying, why I think things can be good, but people don't seem to even care about what I'm saying.

People play differently in unranked than they do in ranked. When I play unranked I usually play champs I am less familiar with and/or try new builds. Unranked is nice but it doesn't mean you are of a certain rank because the competition is much different.

Deep Terror NamiAug 31, 20152 votes

Downvoted, because you're trying to shame people that disagree with you.

WolfeurAug 31, 20152 votes

No, I'm not. I just want downvoters to explain what they don't like. If you don't explain, the downvote is only frustrating, but never constructive.

IonianAug 31, 20152 votes

My explanation: why? because I can! Katarina

SEKAIAug 31, 20151 votes

Downvotes doesn't mean anything because well, it's not the first time someone comes in with an opinion that is showered by thumb downs. Then another guy comes in 2 days later holding the exact same statement but is graced with 100+ upvotes.

Take those with a grain of salt.

Not to mention, it's not like there aren't any forumers who down/upvotes according to political correctness instead of what they actually think.

WolfeurAug 31, 20151 votes

Political correctness may be a reason for downvoting, but I'd still like to know that's why I'm getting downvoted.

It's just that I hate the idea of being downvoted by people who didn't even bother to read, you know...

Reaper SorakaAug 31, 20151 votes

Usually if I downvote someone, I'll leave a comment. Occasionally there is one of those posts where I feel the OP won't take constructive criticism/feedback/opposing opinions well, so to avoid an argument that would go nowhere, I won't leave a comment.

WolfeurAug 31, 20151 votes

Thank you, that's what I call a constructive way to downvote. And since you seem like someone with good reasoning, could you take time to read this? I'd like a constructive comment on it. (Actually, I'd be happy with a comment, whatever it is like)

Reaper SorakaAug 31, 20151 votes

Unfortunately I'd rather not; I don't know much about item balance. :P

IcyPepperAug 31, 20151 votes

We vote based on what we like, or what we don't like. We can choose to explain why we feel so, but we are not required to.

And I highly doubt it would have much positive impact. I could disagree with you. Then you would disagree with me. And it would go in circles and circles. Let the people vote, man.

And why no forcing upvoters to write why they upvote? Seems a little biased to me, are you just salty your thread got ignored?

WolfeurAug 31, 20151 votes

People who can't take criticism wouldn't change, but I'd like to know what people don't like about my thread, otherwise I won't correct myself.

nerak23Sep 4, 20151 votes

There are some thread or comment so ignorant as not to deserve a reason why someone down-votes it. Say there is a thread that is purely nasty and mean in content, I see no reason why I would need to explain myself. Besides that some thread are pure bait and I won't give the person more fuel to keep it going.

BTW: I didn't vote on this one.

DaenSep 4, 20151 votes

If people had to explain every downvote they just wouldn't bother. I'm aware you'd probably consider that to be a good thing, but when you are effectively silencing dissenting opinions it really doesn't help the platform grow.

WolfeurSep 4, 20151 votes

One of the goals would be to avoid abusive downvotes.

DaenSep 4, 20151 votes

The true question is, how prevalent is abusive downvoting on the platform? The fact your thread was downvoted both times it was posted makes me think that people had legitimate reasons to do so (didn't like the thread, wasn't written in a way they enjoy, etc.).

Everyone's definition of what's "abusive" is going to be different, and regulating this by basically just making it harder to downvote doesn't seem like the way to go.

Keep in mind, by the way, that downvoting is one of the most useful ways to deal with shitposts in GD or other low effort content. You can report the thread, but downvotes show the community's feelings on that content much more efficiently.

WolfeurSep 4, 20151 votes

The fact your thread was downvoted both times it was posted makes me think that people had legitimate reasons to do so (didn't like the thread, wasn't written in a way they enjoy, etc.).

Well, it was well written (at least for my knowledge of the english language), I wasn't insulting anyone, I presented arguments, but it still got downvoted the very minute I posted it. It wasn't even an unpopular opinion! (I was proposing a buff for Ardent Censer)

(honestly, I think it might be someone who downvotes other threads to make his more apparent, but that's just one possible explanation)

ModKnightsKemplarSep 4, 20151 votes

That defeats the purpose of downvoting.

When somebody downvotes, presumably that's because they want the thread to move lower in the list. Right? It's connected to visibility, along with the number of comments. If they comment, then they are helping the thread gain visibility, which is the opposite of what they wanted.

When I downvote, I often comment and tell people why I think their idea isn't worth more discussion. I never downvote simply because I disagree with someone, though. That's not what the system is for.

WolfeurSep 4, 20151 votes

Nothing prevents riot to make "downvote comments" have no positive impact on visibility.

ModKnightsKemplarSep 4, 20152 votes

Still, downvoting exists to inform people that the discussion isn't worthwhile. What you are asking for is for people who think your topic isn't worthy of discussion to discuss it with you.

I get WHY you want that. But it doesn't make it sensible to anyone else. They clearly didn't think it was worth discussing.