Let's Talk About the Boards

RiotZwill·6/5/2015, 6:07:12 PM·35 votes·39,120 views

Hi Folks!

My name is Andy Belford. I joined Riot a few months ago as the North American Player Relations Manager.

The NA Players Relations team has recently been taking a wide look at what makes the NA League Community a great experience, and the NA Boards obviously figure pretty heavily in that picture. During a previous conversation, I mentioned that we’d completed a day-long workshop discussing both the current state of the NA boards and our long-term goals for them. Today, I’d like to take some time to review the results of this meeting, talk about direction and “blue sky,” and open the discussion up to your thoughts. Essentially, I’d like to get your take on our take and hear your ideas on our ideas of how to level up our collective experience as the Boards community.

DISCLAIMER: This isn’t going to be a short post. That said, if you plan on taking part in the discussion, do me a solid and read it in its entirety. Thanks :)!

What’s the point?

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We want to make the NA Boards a more constructive and useful place for players to connect with each other and Rioters. Now, this is a pretty vague and ubiquitous statement, so we spent some time trying to identify questions we wanted to answer, from a Rioter point of view:

  • What makes the North American Boards the North American Boards?
  • What are our goals when it comes to moderation?
  • How can we make Player-to-Rioter (and vice versa) engagement a better experience for both parties?
  • What do we think players need and want from the Boards? (something we obviously want your thoughts on as well).
  • What do the Boards look like in an “ideal” state?

These questions obviously sparked a lot of conversation, and eventually led to a sort of overarching debate: What exactly is the “point” of the NA Boards, or rather, what do they offer that other League communities don’t? While this might seem an odd question (who cares, it’s got dank memes), it’s actually an important one to consider. The online League ecosystem is pretty robust at this point (which we love!). That being said, we don’t want a community forum that’s just kind of there because we’re supposed to have one. So again, what specifically should the Boards offer?

What do the North American Boards look like now?

/em takes a deep breath…

Seems like a pretty loaded topic, right? Well, it can be, and we had a very real conversation about the current state of the Boards.

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The point of sharing this assessment (and asking for your thoughts) isn’t to dwell on where we’ve been, but rather to focus on what we can accomplish, together, moving forward.

In the course of this conversation we tried to identify some of the key areas of potential improvement for the NA Boards (presented below in no particular order):

  • The Boards feel fractured-there’re too many of them, they don’t fit together as well as they could, and too often they’re lacking clear identities.
  • The amount of “RITO PLZ” can sometimes smother other interesting conversations. Since these posts often tend to stick out, Rioters then frequently respond to them, and the behavior is reinforced and perpetuated.
  • Toxicity. We all know that, at times, the front page can appear to be dominated by angry posts (in other news, the Pope is Catholic, the sky is blue and I’m an overweight Asian man). In all seriousness, the ways in which we express our frustrations can have a profound impact on how we all interact with each other.
  • The Boards’ current format doesn’t always make it the easiest place to actually engage in long-lived and fulfilling conversations; in a broader sense, the UX (user experience) of the Boards could use some improvement. Which contributes to…
  • The Boards don’t feel like a “sticky” experience. As it currently stands, there aren’t a lot of reasons for players to visit the boards multiple times per day.
  • There’s lots of room for improvement in how we surface Rioter interactions. For example, I personally like the way Blizzard surfaces blue posts on the front page of their individual game fora.
  • The boards need to be optimized for mobile. End of story. You should be able to read the boards while attending to important business…in the bathroom.
  • Players should be able to feel a sense of community ownership over the Boards.
  • We’re lacking in social features.
  • Moderation can be leveled up.

This list isn’t exhaustive - it’s focused on the most obvious problems as we see them, and you guys doubtless have insight to provide on other things that need be on the to-do list.

What do the NA Boards look like ideally?

Before we dig into this, let’s all acknowledge one inalienable factoid: ideal is an entirely subjective term. Everyone has their own idea of what the Boards should look like. Chances are you have some great ideas for quality of life upgrades addressing pain points with which you have personal experience.

As you read our musings below, remember these are ideals and goals we want to aim towards, not a promise of features / changes to come.

  • We want the Boards to feel active, with fresh content each time you visit. This should be tempered with reason, but if you view the Boards once in the morning and once in the evening, you should see somewhat fresh topics each time.
  • You should be able to expect regular, consistent content from us aimed specifically at the Boards Community. We’ve already kicked this off with the new “Meanwhile in Top Lane…” feature, but there are more in the works.
  • Should we create a RITO PLZ specific board? There are some great examples of player communities where requests / ideas specifically directed at developers are focused in a single forum (Capcom tends to do this, especially with their fighting games).
  • Visible Moderation: Building trust and transparency within the community through open conversation about how the boards are managed is important (and part of why we’ve made this post). We’re going to have some focused discussion around the topic of Visible Moderation (what is it, what does it mean), so please stay tuned for that in a future post.
  • We want the Boards to be a customizable, social experience. Ideas like showing what your friends are upvoting, the ability to subscribe to different players posts, etc were all thrown around. Basically, we’d like more opportunities for players to connect to each other on Boards as readily as you can connect to Rioters.
  • Explore how to better support the global element of NA Boards communication from Rioters. There’s a ton of communication that happens here on the North American Boards that’s applicable to anyone who plays League. Most of us here in the Los Angeles offices are North American players, so naturally we gravitate towards the platform that we consider “home.” There’s nothing inherently wrong with this, but it does contribute to our friends in other regions sometimes asking “where’s the love?” This idea is even more exploratory than those above, and we’d want to accomplish any changes without creating yet another community channel for players to keep track of, so if you have thoughts, please share them.

That’s alot of stuff to cover, and we plan to have follow-up discussions about these topics in the weeks to come, which leads to the obvious question...

What about all the other things we need to talk about?

Well, that’s part of why we’re here - we want your input and thoughts before we define exactly what comes next. You should certainly weigh in here, but as I mentioned we’re also planning some focused discussion in the coming weeks around the following topics:

  • Boards Organization
  • Visible Moderation
  • Revisiting the Universal Rules
  • Ongoing Boards Dev

This is the start of a collaborative process, one in which your voice and feedback is an important piece of the puzzle.

For today, some Rioters are on hand to answer your questions and thoughts for the next few hours. Joining the conversation will be:

  • ADillonMostDirty
  • d’Artagnan
  • RiotZwill

Let’s get started!

276 Comments

DrCyanide6/5/2015, 7:59:56 PM49 votes

Visible Moderation

The biggest problem with moderation is that the only way I notice it is when someone starts their post "My original post got deleted by mods because X". That is, as far as I've been able to observer, all the moderation that happens on these boards - a thread is deleted. Moderation that, if necessary, edited posts and had the moderators post why that post needed to be changed, would do a better job of being visible and serving as a reminder.

#What I want out of the Boards (beyond a mobile site with a way to select desktop mode) I think the biggest things relate to previewing content of interest.

  • I want to be able to exclude Boards from showing up on Board Home. I set my preferences to "Show me content from every Board except XYZ", and never have to see content from boards that I know don't interest me. I want this feature because I'm generally interested in the rest of the Boards, but those individual ones fill up too much of my limited first page view with stuff that I don't care about.

  • I NEED a paging system for the Boards Home. The current system is such that if a topic doesn't show up before I get to the "Show More" button, it's not worth reading. A paging system ensures that I don't have to click the "Show More" button 5 more times after I click into a topic, then hit the back button in my browser, giving these other topics a chance.

  • I'd like to see more attention put into mouse-over previews of posts. There's nothing like trying to guess who !Ashe is and if you want to talk about them, seeing ' over and over again in a preview, or seeing an official Riot post that has a preview that's almost entirely new lines.

  • Related to previewing threads, being able to assign an icon to the thread (champion portraits, summoner spells, items, the class symbols, the rank icons) could make it easier to skim. If I'm tired of Ekko QQ, then I could safely skip any threads with an Ekko icon. If I'm really interested in knowing more about Yorick, then the Yorick icon will grab my attention more.

  • Ability to dismiss threads. I don't need to re-visit a thread titled "You don't belong in Gameplay and Balance unless you're in Diamond". The OP will make their points (or demonstrate their inability to) on the first pass, at which point I don't need to see it continually bobbing up to the top of the Recent sorting because someone wants to argue with what's likely a troll post.

  • Consolidated Red Tracker. I don't need to see every post by a Rioter, I need to see threads Rioter's are engaged in, and when those update. The current Red Tracker is useless because of the extreme amount of spam that it generates trying to follow every single post.

Social

At this point, there are a few names that when I see them come up in a thread I pay attention to what they have to say. Sometimes it's for Humor (Laughing Fish), sometimes it's for a great way to relate to Lore (CupcakeTrap), and other times it's just because we seem to have Similar Views more often than not (Valkyrie Witch). I hesitate to say that there should be some sort of "friend" or "follow" feature, but it could be nice to have some way to make these players stand out a little more from the crowd when I'm skimming comments.

Humpelstilzche6/6/2015, 10:15:34 AM19 votes

Hi,

i am a forum/board addict with about 15.000 posts and I am a Senior Wrenchman on the EUW/EUNE boards and a Senior Emissary on the German boards....so i have A LOT to say about the boards. Sorry for the wall of text in advance.

#Visible Moderation

Being a moderator, i am not the biggest fan of visible moderation, because I don't see many upsides. One reason why I don't like visible moderation is that it opens the gates for witchhunting. 90% of the moderation I do is about unintentional violations of the rules (especially naming & shaming) or insults by people who are extremely frustrated temporarily. I see no upside in shaming these people publically. Remove the thread, maybe give them a little timeout to calm down and thats it. From my experience this works just fine. People who name & shame learn that they are not allowed to do that, people who flame have time to cool down and rarely come back to flame again. Only a small minority doesn't react to this "soft moderation"...and I highly doubt that shaming them publically would do any good (some trolls would probably like the additional attention they get). The only upsides of visible moderation is that people see that something is done. But do we really need that? From my experience most moderators are fine with supporting the community behind the curtains without anyone really noticing. I undestand DrCyanides argument about visible moderation serving as a reminder, but I don't think it's worth it. Most people who violate the rules visit the boards for the first time, there is no chance to educate them before they start violating the rules. They enter the boards and just write their thread. Again, naming & shaming is a good example for this. In the european boards we had a big sticky thread reminding people about this rule, but it didn't help at all. Why? Because the first thing new board users do is writing their thread, not reading any other threads. That's why i doubt that visible moderation as a reminder has a very big effect.

#Highlighting aweseome users

I think this is something that is extremely important. I have been active on the boards for 4 years now and I have met the most aweseome players here. Players who help other players on a daily basis, players who patiently discuss and explain the same topics (vote kick, prisoner island, Kata is OP, etc.) every day, players who help other players to deal with toxicity and frustration, players who help other players to improve their own behavior, players who answer questions for new players, players who stay constructive and friendly even if the get insulted by players who visit the boards to rant....to sum it up: The pillars of this community. In my opinion these players do not get the recognition they deserve. Pro gamers are visible on stage, Youtubers get spotlights, honorable players ingame get badges (it's something .) .... but no one notices the silent army of awesome people who help other players on the boards.

This really needs to change. As Emissary, I tried to do that in germany, but it's not really possible. Even as a moderator you don't have the tools to identify positive forces on the boards. Sure, you can look up someones post count and you can look up peoples up- and downvotes on individual posts...but thats it. I want to know who the most active user on the new-player-boards is. I want to know who writes the best explanations about player behavior features. I want to know whose presence in a thread is helpful to create a constructive discussion.

Riot does a lot to support positive behavior...but I have the feeling that the boards have been forgotten in this aspect. So what i really would like to see:

Do some research on the boards, make it possible to identify positive players and make sure they get the recognition they deserve.

#Global communication

A lot of board users in europe (and probably even more in other regions) feel like second class players. The last redpost on the german boards was 9 days ago and if you forget about announcements and stickies, the general amount of redposts reduces to almost zero. If you have a discussion on the german boards, you can be sure that it will have no consequences at all. No developer will ever see or comment it, every idea is wasted, every criticism ignored. This doesn't really encourage people to discuss anything on the boards. This is really not good at all. I don't blame the local Rioters, it's not their fault. Most of them simply CAN'T comment on these discussions because it's not their area of expertise or they simply don't have the time to browse the boards. Of course the problems for NA Rioters are obvious: You don't speak the languages, you live in another time zone, you don't have the time to browse a dozen boards, looking for that one cool thread you want to comment on.

But there is a group of people who does speak the language, does live in the timezone, has the time to browse the local board and additionally knows which threads are good/important and which are not: The pillars of the community i mentioned before, the silent army of regular (positive) board users...including the volunteers. I know that NA does not really have a lot of volunteers, mainly because you don't need them. You have an army of Rioters. But if you are looking for a way to find posts that are worth being commented on, if you need a filter that sorts out spam, if you need a translator for those strange languages...you already have that. And the best part is: It's the community! You don't have to develop anything, you don't have to hire anyone, you don't have to train anyone. You just need to invest a little time to communicate with us, that's all. We are ready.

Greetings, your Volunteers! http://d.thumbs.redditmedia.com/VB0FMjZ5P4qMQ8jK.jpg http://imgur.com/wIhoxTy http://imgur.com/sA417ov


edit: This post is not as long as I expected it to become, because it decided it's smarter to send you our feedback from a moderators perspective (moderator features) on another channel. Additionally other people (especially DrCyanide) already mentioned a lot of important things.

Earl Eulrich6/5/2015, 6:36:09 PM17 votes

Well, nice to see you´re still not giving up on these Boards...now move on to your initial points:

- What makes the North American Boards the North American Boards?

Well, it´s still perceived as being closer to Riot than the EU-Board. that´s about it...I really like that you finally allowed everyone to participate here, though it somehow still feels unsatisfying for EU (and i guess other regions aswell).

- What are our goals when it comes to moderation?

Well, some visibility and clarity would do fine. don´t hit me for this, but on the Blizzard Boards it´s really hard to not get to knowtice the moderatores quite fast (even on the Eu-Boards!), while here i really have no idea if there are any currently.

- How can we make Player-to-Rioter (and vice versa) engagement a better experience for both parties?

Making it more visible would be fine, especially on the results. It´s nice to have Rioters chim in every now and than, but if you take intel from the forums that actuallyimpact your decissions than it would feel great for the community if you openly talk about that a little more specific. Not sure on that "riotplz!"-board...i guess that could end up in getting overwhelmed by very unspecific things that would be hard to find the right person to look at it in the first place.

  • What do we think players need and want from the Boards? (something we obviously want your thoughts on as well).

a place to talk about league as a community aswell as a place to have contact to the developers would be the obvious answer to that i guess. I think the first step to achieve both actually would be to realy stack up on moderation and make Riots participation in the Forums visible apart from some few posts.

Also, why do you still use reddit for real important stuff like the current TTT-changes? For the love of god, you´re turning your back on your own creation there and then expect everyone else ot just favour these boards? not gonna happen.

Lastly, long and in-depth discussions are sometimes unavoidable and important - and they don´t get supported by these boards in the slightest. It´s just painfull to read a longer discussion that just stacks boxes over boxes under boxes beneath boxes...basically leaving the conclussions of longer discussions totally invisbile.

  • What do the Boards look like in an “ideal” state?

really hard to say, but i guess I still fondly remember the Blizzard Boards in these regards...lots of Theoriecrafting broken down for everyone by the community, lots of moderation, very visible "blue posts"...i think that would make a good start.

SilentNightSona6/7/2015, 7:43:22 AM13 votes

Ok, lets hope we are still getting some responses here, and start from the top :)

I'm going to cut out a few bit of your posts I won't be directly responding to though.

[{quoted}](name=Riot Zwill,realm=NA,application-id=bzRrPGQO,discussion-id=Ep4t0zPw,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-06-05T18:07:12.666+0000)

Hi Folks!

My name is Andy Belford. I joined Riot a few months ago as the North American Player Relations Manager.

Nice to meet you again! A while ago we spoke in an old thread you made about the state of the boards, and some things have changed since, so for the better, and some for the worse. Let's hope we can make more changes for the better here.

The NA Players Relations team has recently been taking a wide look at what makes the NA League Community a great experience, and the NA Boards obviously figure pretty heavily in that picture. During a previous conversation, I mentioned that we’d completed a day-long workshop discussing both the current state of the NA boards and our long-term goals for them.

For transparency sake, is the boards public allowed to know who is on this team? It would be nice to know the people in charge of making changes to this platform, and maybe get to know them a little. I suppose their option to post is completely up to them, but I feel communication with the players, as you are doing here, works out best.

  • What makes the North American Boards the North American Boards?

Well tbh, weren't the EU boards and Oceania also ported here as well? I really don't have any problem with that, as we all pretty much seem to speak the same language. It's quite weird though that, as I recall, these regions also have their own separated boards as well as linking to NA. If this is still the case, why is it so? Shouldn't they either be fully integrated into one board, or fully separated? Seems like a weird community split to me, but maybe I'm misinformed.

  • What are our goals when it comes to moderation?

Oh boy, here's the big one. Obviously in a perfect world we wouldn't have people trying to push the rules. We wouldn't have people being jerks for the sake of being jerks. That said, there is a time and place for some content that can be lewd or perceived as 'being a jerk', and if people can respect boundaries, these posts should be allowed to stay up. Some things of course cross the line too far overall, and should not be allowed in any case. Here's a few examples to clear up what I'm saying.

  1. The "don't be a jerk" rule: specifically on GD (as this is the group I know best) there are a number of players that have known each other for years. Some get along well, and certain "cliques" have been formed, as Riot Wookieecookie was all too keen to point out. There needs to be some level of leniency for things that are meant to be taken as a joke to exist, either between players, or just in context of threads themselves.

It is not ok to tell people to kill themselves. Someone who posts something along the lines of "Akali is such a cancerous champion, facing one after level 6 make me want to kill myself" on the other hand is something that is meant as an exaggeration. These aren't actual suicide threats, and it only takes reading the actual context to realize that. This is something players have had removed, or been banned for in the past.

Using swear words is ok in context, as long as the intention isn't cruel. The word itself should not be bannable in the majority of cases if used in a way that isn't meant to insult another player. A few exceptions to this exist, like the N-word for example, which society has deemed offensive in and of itself.

That said, minor insults should be acceptable to a degree. A player should be able to back up their claims that "the OP is stupid" with evidence, but not being able to do so it not a bannable offense to be honest. Let players debate the way they choose to until they cross reasonable boundaries. reasonable people already know that "Everyone below diamond sucks" or "support players are all stupid" aren't true, and are overused bait statements. If these threads or comments aren't spammed, they can be let be a majority of the time, as moderation effort is best focused elsewhere.

The players that need action taken against them are the ones who are legitimately bullying others, attempting to cause chaos, releasing classified information, etc.

  1. The artwork rule: artwork is subject to interpretation, and each persons opinion on what is acceptable or not is going to differ. This is no exception for moderation, but some type of relegation may help here. A few key things to remember; whether or not the image is of a real life person or drawn should not matter, unless the image is of a real life person who does not want their image posted, and someone else is doing it against their will.

Aside from that point, fan art threads are common. Selfie threads pop up every once in a while. Point is, a lot of this art is meant to be seductive, such as the drawing 'genre' known as ecchi. If an image is posted that blatantly shows genitalia (including naked breasts, @ IonCannonKarthus), these posts need to be removed, and repeat offenders should have action taken against their account. That part has always been obvious, but it seems the moderators have different views on where the line is drawn beyond that. I can understand that borderline material will get deleted here and there, and it can't be avoided, but many of the moderators documented mistakes would be laughable if they weren't downright depressing. The moderators need to get on the same page on what is acceptable and what isn't, and remove their own personal bias because they themselves are overly conservative. I'd remind them that this game is rated T for teen, not E for everyone, but people forget that online interactions aren't even regulated by the ESRB. Sometimes it's ok to let players have their fun within reason, so there is no need to vastly censor many of these threads or posts.

These images should be acceptable in context of the threads

Low cut dress, but nothing shown that shouldn't be: http://puu.sh/ifums.png

Show some religious tolerance on this one, even if certain GD'ers refuse to: http://puu.sh/ifup8.jpg

These characters exist in your game with the same outfits: http://puu.sh/ifuEh.png

As a general rule of thumb, if it exists and appears to this level of "lewdness" in the actual game itself, they players should not be banned for posting essentially the exact same thing. There is no logical argument as to why this should be happening, and Wookieecookie showed us this when he flat out refused to answer Evangele's question regarding the mater.

All this taken into account, images involving minors such as Annie SHOULD have a stricter policy on them. We do not need pictures of minors in suggestive poses or whatever, especially when it confuses the line for the rest of the rules.

However, fan art of these champions should still be allowed to exist. Reining in the leash a bit more than for other champions or other images doesn't change that fact. A quick example of this...

Yes this picture is a fan art containing Annie and Lulu, but it by no means lewd: http://puu.sh/ifvcE.jpg

  • How can we make Player-to-Rioter (and vice versa) engagement a better experience for both parties?

A vast majority of us want more Rioters to post on GD and the boards in general, and/or to post more often. I've been told directly by many Rioters the reasoning as to why many don't wish to be there. Some feel intimidated by the harsh environment, others left due to harassment from loud members, etc. Players get mad over what they perceive to be screw up caused by Riot, and there is never going to be a way to please everyone. Additionally, many players actually believe that the first Riot to show their face on GD can fix whatever problem they happen to have. Usually, the players are there to correct them, because most of us know KateyKhaos is on the skins team, and won't be able to push through X players balance suggestions for their favorite champion. When the players aren't around though, it's people like Katey that have shown they can bite the bullet, and time and time again they can ignore the trolls while answering legitimate questions, and still have fun on GD. This of course does not mean that GD or the boards in general are for every rioter, and of course they don't have to be. The one big thing I have a problem with is rioters perpetuating the notion that GD is a hellhole that shouldn't be visited. Just because it didn't work out for them doesn't mean they need to convince their coworkers to avoid the website of the company they work for.

Which brings me to my next point, the website owned and ran by Riot games should probably be a key source of information for their game should it not? Staff should know that if they are going to post pertinent information regarding the league of legends game using a medium such as reddit, twitter, facebook, or whatever, that it should likely be attached to their own forum as well. It just makes sense to be honest, and I don't really see why this isn't being done more often. Additionally, we have websites like 'Surrender at 20' or 'Reign of Gaming' that give us updates on the PBE factor of the game, which directly ties into balancing. Why can't this information be posted to Riot's site directly instead of having to be data-mined and posted on a 3rd party site?

I seem to be reaching to character cap for a single reply, and it's getting late, so the rest of my reply will likely have to come tomorrow.

Mr Broken Wings6/7/2015, 6:45:56 PM10 votes

Mods banned people for posting girls with apples because it represents " a sin". Like wtf thats just so stupid and its sad riot pays a 3. party group to moderate their forum like that. Please, get a better group of mods, its just sad to watch that. People deleted posts about pancakes as well without reason. Moderation at the moment feels completly random and bad, thats the biggest problem people here have.

MigYalle6/5/2015, 9:23:51 PM10 votes

Do you think it's ever possible for Riot to dedicate some people to not just look over the boards, but interact more often then usual on the boards? Like set one of your workers aside for 1-2 hours to check out the boards and explain why some certain things are done (Patch Notes updates, Location of LCS, etc..) as well as to have a conversation with the general players? Share opinions, and not opinions of the entire League workers/editors, instead their own personal opinions?

Zastie6/5/2015, 7:26:28 PM9 votes

I'll eventually make a long post for this at some point I think, but I'm just going to put out there something that I think should come before any of this.

Get real mods.

Through the entire history of the forums and boards the mods have proven time and time again to be:

  • Unreliable
  • A roadblock for moving forward
  • Stubborn/prideful
  • Spotty and unfocused, at times seemingly random
  • Extremely ignorant to the nature of the community
  • Child-like by throwing tantrums and unwarranted ban-waves
  • Not concerned with the community at all

I'm still sleepy so this is all I can come up with at the current moment (plus I had to re-start my post unfortunately..). The only times I've seen real good moderation is when someone like Riot Baconhawk or another red (who actually cares about the community) stepped in and made things right. The current mods follow a different set of rules, have different goals, and aren't an actual part of Riot. So why should they care?

Again, before anything moves forward I think the mod "issue" needs to be seriously addressed by Riot.

Anotherherolost6/5/2015, 7:02:12 PM9 votes

For lack of a better phrase, when the boards work they WORK. I posted in tips and tricks this morning about support advice and got nothing but great, in depth advice. Now on the other hand. I don't want to be that guy but no matter what you do to the boards, as long as the community is shit, the boards will be shit. Should there be a RITO PLZ board? Yea sure, why not. Just tell all your coworkers to never go there because it's just going to be the worst of the worst in terms of balance bitching and random glitch/lag complaints. I couldn't imagine trying to sift through that board trying to find something useful.

One thing I think would be cool is letting people customize the forum home page so there not seeing Gameplay/balance posts next to Lore or concept posts. Typically the people who care too much about balance don't care as much about lore and vice versa so it would be nice if we could choose which boards would filter into that front page. Then we could see the most popular posts about shit we actually care about all at once instead of having to go subject to subject. Also change the post counter to be "upvotes/downvotes" instead of displaying them as one number. It's kinda dumb if a post is really popular but polarizing to display as 0 upvotes because 250 agree and 250 disagree.

As far as answering posts, you guys seem to (maybe unintentionally) treat certain subjects as taboo. An example of this would be all the Ekko hate going on right now. I understand if you guys are just waiting it out because this happens on every new release but it would be nice if one of you gave an in-depth explanation of why you don't feel he is overpowered (Or do). The community would appreciate you standing behind your decisions and it would be reposted anytime someone made an Ekko thread essentially shutting down the shitshow before it begins. To just stay silent makes it look like you agree you made a mistake but are not willing to admit it (Until patch notes come out of course).

Tundra Fizz6/7/2015, 5:55:50 AM9 votes

My biggest gripe is how overly-sensitive and awful the moderation is. They often take things completely out of context, delete posts, and give people warnings when what they posted should have been perfectly fine.

I only have received one warning two months ago so this doesn't really effect me, but many friends of mine on the Boards have received multiple unfair warnings.

Here are some examples of what kinds of posts have been deleted:

  • Somebody called someone else a pancake
  • Somebody called someone else a land whale
  • Somebody posted a picture of two drawn, fully-clothed girls kissing that wasn't in any other way sexually explicit or provacative
  • Somebody posted a link to a match history, but DID NOT call out anyone in that game in any way, shape, or form. In fact, "calling someone out" wasn't even the point of the thread since they were talking about something else about the game entirely. In any case, the thread got deleted for "reporting other players".
  • Explaining that it isn't okay to make death jokes, but then the post itself gets deleted and the user gets warned that "suicide is serious and here's a link to help you out if you are having suicidal thoughts"
  • Somebody said "kms", they get the post deleted and the same "suicide warning"

Moderators are also extremely inconsistent. There was a call-out thread that probably should not have been on the Boards, but it was up for multiple hours and quite a few people were questioning why it was staying up so long. Even so, in the meantime other posts that were far, far more minor and inoffensive were getting deleted.

All-in-all, the moderation is way too touchy and needs to be toned down a ton.

It's gotten so bad that I've started screenshotting every single one of my posts for fear that it will get deleted. If it does get deleted, then I have proof of what I said, and that I can open up a support ticket.

Freelo Abuser6/7/2015, 10:04:05 PM8 votes

Alright!

First and foremost, this is Best Furry NA. If you actually take a look at things around here, you know my name I hope. ... I mean there's that thread with what, 2k upvotes? About moderation that's been here since Boards Beta,

So why am I posting on this account? It's a friend's smurf... Because my main got -1 week banned- for calling a friend of mine a "cracker". ... Look I get that word is similar to the n word in what it goes back to, but the difference is one of those words is censored in every day life, the other isn't -because no white guy ever takes offense to it, myself included-. It was seriously just a joke.

Okay! So let's talk about the actual state of things:

I'm going to be blunt. I know there's 3rd party mods. I know they aren't actually dislocated from the playerbase because one accidentally posted on the old forums before immediately removing it, and he had a Riot tag. I know those mods are the same as now-- or at least the same company. I also know they were a lot less strict until certain things I shouldn't mention publicly happened. So let's get that bullshit out of the way.

Moving forward, I really don't care about any of that so long as it does not affect the community's experience. Except it has. You want an example, I got 1 week banned from a community I -love- to talk with and now cannot, because "cracker". Fucking really? The "don't be a jerk" rule is being enforced way too damn hard.

Context needs to be understood, -period-. If I say "Lol fuck you", that's probably a joke, hence the "lol". That's not me being a jerk. Friends tell each other that all the time. There are times that phrase -can- be offensive and warrant a warning, but only in a heated argument, so unless that's going on, probably don't warn for it.

I got one day banned once for saying "brb killing self". It was -very- obviously a joke about something that happened in game. This phrase comes up all the time as a joke, and it's not an actual threat, so don't punish people for that. If you -really- think that content isn't acceptable here, just remove it and warn, there's really no reason to ban someone for that-- and don't warn/ban it for a "threat", do it for inappropriate content. It's not a threat.

And for fuck's sakes stop punishing people for risque pictures that -don't actually show anything or aren't over the top depicting things-. I -do- get that this is grey area that cannot be defined, and I do get that people cannot go over the top with this. I understand, I get it. No one needs to be getting in trouble going to these forums at school or work and seeing it. So let me better explain I guess. Would Google Safe Search allow it? -Would this be allowed in your own game-? Then let it on.

Here are some pictures from your game to better explain:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-unJtLgp0k8M/TtK_0MtQtpI/AAAAAAAAAng/-fxo0_vZvwg/s320/jann2.jpg

http://www.leaguesplash.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/ChineseEvelynn-690x388.jpg

So I think those should be the standard, -because these were in your own god damned game-.

This is a -teen rated game-. Forums are technically unrated, which usually means "anything not requiring 18 or older legally", but it comes down to "unless it doesn't break your guys' standards". Well, those are your standards. Here's another example. Have you -seen- just how much Arcade MF's tits swing around in game? Take a look sometime if you haven't. They bounce around like crazy.

This game is sexual, face it. Nidalee has a "cougar" passive. Ahri is a succubus. Eve might as well be a BDSM character.

When you come onto a forum for a Teen rated game, there is an expectation that there may be some teen rated content that is sexual in nature. That does not mean overly exposing, that does not mean something I could get fired for seeing or suspended at school for seeing. There is a line that should not be crossed, I get it.

Moving on...

Before Tamat left (gee, I wonder why he left, hmmmmmm...), things were fucking fine on GD/General Discussion. Seriously. Mods occasionally screwed up but mostly it was okay. Now things are getting way out of hand. Holy crap I'm -literally afraid to even come here anymore-. I'm -afraid-. I'm afraid that one day I might say "Yeah your mom would do that" or something along those lines, and suddenly, "Welp sorry bud but that implies dirty things so you're banned, have fun and get rekt. Sincerely, mods." I'm not even kidding, things are getting that fucking strict around here.

"Brb ki--ing self" shouldn't be bannable. "Yeah fuck you too m8 <3" shouldn't be "removed for being a jerk". Etc.

So just tell your mods to calm the fuck down, jesus christ.

... Thank you for reading, thank you for your time, thank you for listening. I really do love Riot. I love this community. I love coming here. I love this game.

I don't want it ruined because the state of moderation is piss fucking poor at the moment.

Thanks.

~Best Furry NA

Champion Skin6/5/2015, 6:42:22 PM8 votes

It would be nice if we could customize which boards we saw on the front/home page to the boards we enjoy and are interested in or such

Though it might divide things further which wouldn't be all that great I guess?

And well a gathering of "RITO PLZ" post would at least hopefully make it so that the same ones aren't repeated too much How much else it accomplishes I am not so sure

McAllister6/5/2015, 8:35:56 PM8 votes
  1. Get off Reddit. I don't mean, like, in your whole lives, but if you're sharing your thoughts about the game, share them on Boards.
  2. Ok, so if you insist on posting on Reddit, crosspost on Boards. Meanwhile In Top Lane is useful, but even more useful would be a column of "things Rioters have said in a place you may or may not even have an account on."
  3. There's currently 1 red post in the Red Tracker that occurred in Gameplay and Balance. Do y'all post gameplay/balance related thoughts on Reddit? I wouldn't know, but regardless, someone on Riot has to have an opinion on whether or not Ekko's ult should have a mana cost. I know you saw that discussion: it showed up in MITL yesterday. But would you kindly share a thought? 3a. I don't think a RITO PLZ board is the best way of going about it, because there's a difference between RITO PLZ MAKE POOL PARTY DIANA and RITO PLZ GIVE EKKO ULT A MANA COST.
    3b. What I'd like to see is a guarantee that, if a post gets to 100 net upvotes, it will get a red post within one business day. Not necessarily the answer to the question, and "no comment at this time" counts, but there WILL BE a red post on it. What's wrong with that idea?

So, as you might have gathered, the tl;dr here is "please post on Boards more."

Other thoughts:

  • Another reason not to segregate RITO PLZ: there's nothing inherent about them that causes them to drown out other discussions. People post/vote on what they're interested in, and it just so happens that a lot of people want Riot's attention.
  • Toxicity... I'm not trying to sound like a relationship counselor, but maybe you need to post on the toxic discussions about why they're a problem. "When you post X, it makes me feel Y, and then I don't want to get engaged in this conversation." Maybe that would be a good thing for the Visible Moderators to do. But, other than that, I think you need to identify people who've phrased requests in a non-toxic way and either meet the requests or explain to them why you can't. When you've made the people happy that are within your power to make happy, I think you'll see that the rest are a small minority.
  • "Hot" weights popularity very heavily, so it feels static (but that's the nature of showing the good content). Maybe the lack of stickiness is due to the fact that people aren't looking at Recent, or that Recent weights popularity too much (so it's also static) or too little (so it shows too much mediocre content), or maybe you just need to make Recent the default. Hard to say, really.
Norscout6/7/2015, 7:04:51 PM8 votes

Interactive mods. The ones you guys have are terrible, I'm the guy that was banned for the apple picture, and I literally had to buy a level 30 smurf to come back on and ask why and contest it. In what world does that make sense? Lower the level requirement on GD, better mods, and have some way to hold said mods accountable.

toxıc sIut6/5/2015, 6:18:56 PM8 votes

the dank memes are gonna stay though, right?

[quality shitpost right here]

Calibretto96/5/2015, 8:08:32 PM7 votes

I know for me that I was much, much more active on the LoL boards in its old format. I'm not a big fan of the new Reddit-inspired style, as it leads to goofy GIF posts getting upvoted or buff/nerf requests jumping to the top, while meaningful conversations actually get dumped on. I know the idea was having an upvote system to counter this, but it doesn't work. Of the small percentage of players that actually come to the boards, and even smaller percentage of that group actually are here to discuss useful topics like: champ and team strategy, builds, champ and mode ideas, LCS discussion, etc.

Now I just occasionally hop on to farm for GIFS but outside of that the experience and the content isn't as good as it was in the old forums. Since I guess you're unlikely to scrap the work you put into the new forums, I would reinforce the idea that it's hard to sift through the goofy thread to find the diamonds in the rough. So, keep things categorized better, make it easier to find what you're looking for.

Siachi6/5/2015, 7:04:30 PM6 votes

I'm honestly not sure if this is totally relevant to the discussion, but:

Could I make the recommendation for a better search function? I've gotten used to it now, but it could be more streamlined for finding new and recent posts. Maybe even a distinction between "Newly posted thread" and "There is a new post in this thread."

Yes, you can set it to show posts within 24 hours, but even then it's not a good way to show you what's brand new if you've read through those posts already, and there's enough of a time-gap between 1 hour and 24 hours, that the 1 hour option isn't that helpful either.

Not to mention, by default it'll show you the most popular posts with the relevant keyword (I'm assuming that's how it's posted anyway), which might be kind of helpful if you're a newer player, but otherwise you really don't have much of a reason to look at a year-old forum post, even if it was popular at the time.

Like I said, might not be that relevant, but I'm sort of "Meh, it's a thing I guess" about most of the issues people have with the Boards, so it's really just the search function I can say is an issue to me, specifically.

lightdshadows6/6/2015, 2:01:36 AM6 votes

Something I would personally like to see is Riot be more open about what's coming up or have discussions based on champion balance. It makes the game much more personal when it isn't just us reading patch notes (albeit they can be funny/personal) and it delves into actual discussion. Sure, it can be an exhausting task but I think the main point here is that we just want to know that our opinions are heard, even if you don't agree with them.

I think Riot actually does a very decent job at keeping us informed on the big upcoming changes and they deserve kudos for that. However, I think maybe the board could use a little diversity in the Reds who post here (no offense KateyKhaos, your posts are definitely welcomed here). I believe it's important for the fans to be able to connect with Riot, and not just a couple Rioters who frequent the boards (or moderate).

My next thing may be somewhat off topic, but I would like to see events hosted by Riot that can result in the community getting to be conversational with Riot or feel like they're actually helping the game/community improve. This can be done by:

  1. More frequent AMA's or Riot hosted discussions. I have seen more Riot discussions lately and its definitely a great thing to see.
  2. Riot hosted tournaments for different game modes or a "Come Play With the Rioters!" reward for people who are well respected community leaders.

These are just a couple ideas to help allow the community to feel a more "intimate" connection w/ Riot.

TL;DR I believe we just need to see more Riot activity on the boards and have more Rioters directly involve themselves with the community.

Zastie6/6/2015, 12:15:37 AM4 votes

{quoted}

Really appreciate the amount of feedback you gave in your post! From reading through it, it appears that a lot of your feedback/suggestions are holistic. While a holistic approach is definitely valuable, is there any specific thoughts regarding the last month or two (per Keyru's question)? Have you noticed any particular changes, good or bad?

Additionally, regarding the future discussion on moderation, we definitely are planning a more focused discussion around this. As Zwill said in his original post, they are planned for the coming weeks!

Yes, it's quite holistic because of there not being much noticeable change. I've been dealing with these mods since late season 1 when I first joined LoL. IN terms of changes regarding the past few months, I've not seen any. No good changes, no bad changes.. just.. no changes. As per. usual with the topic of the mods.

Someone was banned for poking at the mods with a picture of an anime character holding an apple. Tamat (?) came out and stated that the reasoning behind it was because apples are symbols of temptation and sin.

?

Several people have been banned or had their posts deleted for calling people a "weeb," which is a common term thrown around, not something I think people take any serious offense to.

??

Someone was banned for posting a picture of a pancake.

???

It's simply baffling the things the mods do and don't decide to do. I could link an army of threads that are spam that remain up, and they'd all be within the past few months too if you're wanting specifics. Do I need to literally link the exact things? I don't get why I should have to be pin-point specific, since you could always just look around and see for yourself how strange the mod's activities are.

I mean no personal attack when I say this, but every time I, or anyone else, tries to discuss the mods with Riot we're blocked with strange replies and are never given anything direct. It's concerning how indirect such a large company is to their community. This is a problem now and it's been a problem for years, it's only natural I'm being very broad in my "examples" or statements, since this has been going on for a very long time.

arc956/5/2015, 7:10:32 PM2 votes

a dedicated fan art thread could be cool... since a lot of times fan art is somewhere between Rito PLZ and story/art.