Voting as feedback

SecretAgentHulk·10/29/2014, 10:35:51 PM·4 votes·882 views

So, this is about community use of the boards rather than feedback on the boards proper. I figured this was a good place; apologies if it isn't.

Boards Community, your votes are feedback, but they aren't meaningful without words behind them. The example that prompted this: a thread I created that received 3 downvotes in an hour. That is not helpful. Leave a comment. OP, in this case me, thought it was a good post. At the very least, upvote an existing comment that explains why you, too, think the post is not worthy. Downvotes are the "this sucks" of feedback; they don't help anyone without an explanation of why.

Edit: 17 minutes in and already a downvote without explaining why. Irony OP <3

7 Comments

EMOFRATPARTY10/29/2014, 11:30:47 PM4 votes

I couldn't agree more. Numerous Boards users, including Rioters, have explored the issue at length and have even encouraged users to improve the quality of their votes. What does that mean exactly?

  1. Voting with Purpose A vote is not an "Agree/Disagree" button, but rather an indicator of whether or not the piece of content was, by any measure, "good."

  2. Comments are Powerful Because of how much weight a negative vote can carry, especially in the early life of a Boards post, comments associated with negative voting are vital in providing positive feedback. However...

  3. Frequent Downvoters Aren't Always the "Best" Users This is a huge issue relating to overall community behavior and is nothing more than a repercussion of a digital age. The influx of new users has made it even more difficult for content to be seen (regardless of quality), which is fine -- what isn't alright is the overall mentality seen when users "bandwagon" onto a post. Again, downvotes for posts are very powerful, but it will require a change in community attitude (or voting format) before we see an impactful change come to fruition.

You should continue to encourage people to comment, even if they don't. The eventual hope is that everyone comes around, showing the best that the League community has to offer.

Hope this helps, friend!

Daen10/29/2014, 11:50:28 PM3 votes

I won't necessarily bring my opinions into this, but the issue you bring up is essentially an impossible thing to solve without making the platform extraordinarily restrictive or adding other options for content management. People view voting in fundamentally different ways, and switch between them constantly. Here are the two voting types (simplified):

  1. Voting to Agree/Disagree
  • Used to sort content
  1. Voting on quality
  • Used to show quality

These two distinctly different functionalities are being handled within the same mechanic. Unless it is split into two separate mechanics, this will never cease to be a problem.

Here's a system I personally would enjoy:

In addition to current vote functionality, a gradient vote is added. The upvote/downvote functionality is used to denote agreement/disagreement, the gradient functionality is used to denote perceived quality. The vote total is used to calculate the "hotness" of a thread; the gradient is averaged and displayed on thread listings rather than the current vote total.

Example: Let's say it's a 1-10 scale on the gradient; I might upvote a thread because I agree with the general concept but give it a 2 on the gradient because it's really poorly written or aggressive. Let's say someone else also upvotes it but gives it a 6. This would display as a 4 due to the gradient and be sorted as +2 due to the upvotes.

This system is assuming that people don't automatically upvote themselves (and can't vote on their content at all) because that makes no sense.

I know this doesn't seem related, but here's the thing. People don't always have time to comment or feel like writing out a post to express their feelings. We have to support that in a compelling way, and I don't think single votes cut it. A dual-vote system like this allows a player to both show whether they agree or disagree and how they feel the post was written in two clicks. It's obviously not as good as a comment, but it's significantly better than just an up/downvote.

Hyrum Graff10/30/2014, 1:04:55 AM2 votes

For threads that are actually not crap, I agree with you. However, there are plenty of threads that are like "Nidalee is OP | Title," and I think it's fine to downvote those without even stepping into the thread.