Regarding Recent Instability on North America

RiotArmiesofZNight··90 votes·45,114 views

Hey Everyone,

Over the last couple of days, many of you have experienced some problems while playing the game. You’ve seen reconnect spikes, issues with game starts, and very large login queue in many occasions. We wanted to take some time to give you all a little more information on what’s going on, since we haven’t spoken much about this since the issues started occurring.

In the last couple weeks our datacenter and game have been the target of some DDOS attacks. The results of these attacks have caused instability in our service. We’ve been experiencing large attacks that have been filling up a significant chunk of bandwidth and causing parts of our system to lose connection to each other. The end result is a poor play experience for you all. While we’ve been able to turn on our loss forgiven feature as soon as the attack is detected, this does not equal a good play experience.

While we can’t share the details of the work we are doing internally to combat this (since it would give the attackers information to circumvent it), we want you to know that we are tackling this from many different angles. This includes working with our datacenter and internet service provider partners, as well as developing tools and services internally to make our service more robust against these types of attacks. Defending against DDOS attacks is an arms race that we will always be engaged in, and we are committed to reducing the pain you all feel as swiftly as possible when the service is being impacted by malicious attacks.

We want you to know that this is the top priority for the Live Services team. We share your frustration at the impact of these attacks, and we are working to make sure you can play the game every time you want to.

-Ryan

205 Comments

Rabbit With ADHD34 votes

If you get caught DDOSing then what are the consequences? Oh and I hope whoever is messing with u guys gets caught hella quick :D

Hi Im Confused37 votes

You can go to prison for it.

Eapenator56 votes

Its a Federal Offense.

I hope these guys go to jail and regret every moment of what they consider 'trivial fun', and proceed to live their life jobless and poor because they can't get a real job due to their criminal record.

Don't get me wrong, I understand groups like anonymous who hack for a good cause that people can get behind. But people who ddos because they like to cause unrest within online communities and cause reactions online because they are bored or consider it fun deserve everything they get.

Stephenizgod3 votes

The people who have been attacking Riot have been boasting about it on Twitter, how can they not get in trouble or at least have their Twitter shut down... Maybe needing to recreate their stuff will distract them from DDoS attacking

KimTheNukeJongUn3 votes

Doesn't take long to recreate accounts. Hell, they could even keep attacking things while just filling out the sign-up page for Twitter.

Stephenizgod3 votes

Oh ok i see so in that case just leave them alone to do whatever they want. Maybe if you keep banning them they will get tired of doing it... idk its better then doing nothing....

Eapenator8 votes

It takes time to build followers on twitter, so deleting their current accounts will be very very detrimental to them.

Think about it. Alot of their motivation to do this is for attention. You cut of their way to get attention, they have to make a new twitter account, get their group of followers back, continue to ddos so they can attract attention. Only for it to be deleted again. And then they have to start all over.

I think twitter should think about this option

KimTheNukeJongUn1 votes

When did I say do nothing? I'm just saying it doesn't take as long to make an account as you tried to make it sound. It wouldn't be THAT detrimental to them. It won't take long for them to get their followers back as people will know who they are and will be looking out for them when their favorite game's servers get taken down.

Dicerson2 votes

If its a federal offense shouldn't the police, i dont know, arrest them via their twitter account or w/e?

KimTheNukeJongUn2 votes

They should, yes. Whether or not they've gotten any info from Twitter on where the account is being used from has yet to be seen.

zap zap rat1 votes

My guess is that they've probably been accessing the accounts through a VPN or TOR to hide where they are. But I'm still holding out that they'll get caught sooner or later. Hopefully sooner.

Elanorien4 votes

My uncle's an FBI agent. I just emailed him asking questions about it and sent the link of the Twitter account to him. No joke :p.

regularguy310 votes

Check out on twitter for a group named "Lizard squad" they claim responsibility for ddosing and they do it to other online games other than league, real douchebages

Fire in water5 votes

Don't believe stuff like that, most of the time it's just some random kid trying to be cool by saying he's doing it.

KimTheNukeJongUn6 votes

He's pretty convincing, though. Had a few tweets saying a service was going to go down, and then the service would actually go down. That seems like too much of a coincidence, but that's just me.

KSHarrison28 votes

Their justification is that "they punish companies who aren't spending our money to provide us with good service."

The sad truth is that if DDOS attacks didn't happen, service would be fine.

Antlers6 votes

Do they think they're the dark knight of the internet?

regularguy319 votes

"were the heros the internet needs, but not the one it des-" * black woman slap* OH HELL NAW

TheHope539 votes

The heroes nobody deserves or needs.

xoxxxoooxo3 votes

No kidding, it's such backwards logic. The servers were fine until all of this started, and I believe their claims of a DDOS. It's not exactly something you can lie about.

It's not like years ago when the servers would go down after bad patches. Poor Rito =( But it's good to have this communication, and to know it's being worked on.

Stacona3 votes

DDOSing isn't really a hack since all you need to do is clog someone's bandwidth with a lot of data at the same time so that the service is severely slowed down to the point it cannot run anymore until the data becomes processed

Cai Dwyll2 votes

usually it just crashes the router if its strong/goes on long enough.

Stacona7 votes

it is like shoving 20 pounds of shit down a pipe that is made to handle 5 pounds of shit per flush, you are going to have problems and potential shit exploding everywhere and your shit does not end up leaving the house so then you need to do plumbing to fix the problem so that the pipes start flowing again --- this is essentially DDOS where some cool kid shoves a lot of crap down Riot's server pipes to clog them up and create a poopy mess for his own amusement - the difference between these two analogies is that one is illegal

Phantom Data6 votes

but it is still illegal in the US.

Tanonev5 votes

DDoS (distributed denial of service) requires having access to enough bandwidth to clog someone else's, which you obtain from a large number of small sources (hence the "distributed" part). This means (1) having a ton of friends, or more likely (2) gaining unauthorized access to a bunch of machines ("hacking" them).

In practice, of course, there are some levels of indirection. There are the people who actually develop the malware needed to compromise a lot of machines and organize into a botnet; these people then rent out the usage of these botnets to people with money and nefarious goals, but little technical know-how of their own. It's usually the latter folk who actually claim credit for attacks such as these.

Both of these groups of people are performing criminal activities, but in practice it's only the latter folk that eventually get busted (as a result of the combination of egotism and incompetence that drives them to behave this way in the first place); the former are very difficult to track, though they're arguably the more dangerous ones, since they're the ones with the know-how to actually do the damage.

CJ Entus Helios21 votes

EUW sends its regardsitem 3151

hi im luck10 votes

Can you guys also give us an update about the central servers that have been in planning for a loong time now?

FlamingSnot4 votes

I agree the last update was 6 months ago. I know we aren't entitled to know anything about the move but if we had an update maybe that would help calm people down about all the server issues lately. Thank you for your hard work guys!

Iros A Mierda2 votes

Wait, central servers? Are they making East-coast servers?

hi im luck2 votes

no east coast servers. Central Servers. I think they are gonna be located in St.Louis or something

Iros A Mierda2 votes

Why would they do that... without looking it up, I´m super confident that more people live in the east coast who play this game than in the center, and being one of them, I´m tired of playing this game on 100 or more ping since I started like 3 years ago.

Sycocaster8 votes

Use the lolking status page. The official league one is always green, even when it's down.

AdaptiveCoffee7 votes

Its okay rito. I forgive you. hug.

TheMent0R7 votes

Dear Riot,

I work as a consultant for the NSA, dealing with network defense for many of our country's vital systems. I am also a avid LoL player in the little off time the government allows me. I was wondering if I might be able to provide you with some assistance? I may have access to resources that your company, however well funded, does not. And judging by the size of these attacks, we could be looking at taking a very large botnet out of the hands of some very bad people. This could be beneficial for everyone, and may be a great training opportunity for some of my junior personnel. As I'm sure you are aware, the majority of the data you are receiving(I have looked into this on my side of the house) has it's origins overseas. There are measures we can take, aside from legal action, to prevent these botnets from being used against you, or more importantly in my case, against me and my co-workers.

Please feel free to contact me. If you accept my offer, I will refer this up to my chain of command for review as an active case of cyber warfare against the US.

Now, for everyone else that doesn't understand this from a technical perspective:

Imagine a pipe leading to a turbine. The turbine is of the most innovative/expensive design in the world, and it supplies power to millions of people. Now imagine someone starts putting molasses in the pipe. Obviously, one person pouring a jar of molasses in the pipe, considering the size and scope of the turbine, wouldn't be a problem. Now imagine thousands, millions of people dumping buckets of molasses into the pipe. The water would soon be replaced by molasses, and no matter how well-built/expensive the turbine is on the other side, it would eventually fail, leaving millions of people without service.

The same holds true with this case. The problem lies not within the server/turbine providing service, but the PIPE supplying it. And that is not something within Riot's power to fix by themselves. So please, no more "rito pl0x buff servers". You are just adding to the problem, providing the one goal that these "hackers" have in mind: attention.

Galio Leona Riot in your endeavor. Here's hoping we can work together in the future to provide a better experience and a safer cyber community for all.

Bramble Berry5 votes

Why is this such a reoccuring issue? You would think after the first few times long-term prevention and security measures would be put in place. Same "We're trying" as usual I guess.

Eapenator15 votes

To put this into prespective,

World of Warcraft is also experiencing the same ddos attack issues as we are currently.

Think about it. WOW, which has been up for years, which requires you to pay in order to play their game, still to this day experiences attacks.

Its not something you can solve in months, or even years. Its the infrastructure that is already set in place that is inherently flawed and Riot can't do anything about it.

And if you ask why other places are not attacked, and it seems like its just league, just remember, these people are doing it because they think its fun to rustle the jimmies of such a large online community like League of Legends, because it will cause the most reactions online than most other communities. Reading our reactions and our anger and our protests makes them feel good because they have nothing better to do. They like reading the outrage online, while they post on their twitter proudly.

edit: https://twitter.com/LizardSquad

Ragnarzero2 votes

This is not totally True, If someone is Ddosing Riot should be able to work with their ISP and their Engineers and work to Block all incoming traffic from the attackers, If they are attacking from the same place all the time. I have worked with an ISP and know we had the capabilities to do this, yes it took a few days to get the person in touch with our engineering team but once they were, they were able to shut down that traffic in under 30 mins.

What gets me is how the FBI or homeland security haven't been shutting these guys down. Bomb threats, "hacking" these are some very serious threats and will end their butts in jail for a VERY long time.

DoomHamGloom30 votes

Its like this, someone hits in you in the head with a baseball bat once a day for a few days. So you put on a helmet. they hit you in the head again but this time your fine. the next day, they hit you with a heavier bat in the ribs. your head is still fine but your still royally ****ed up.

they find new more efficient ways and areas to attack all the time. its a constant battle between people hacking with malicious intent and people designing security systems to prevent it

CosmicLuna4 votes

Hi, Regarding the Server for NA. I don't if this has been reported elsewhere, but I've been in queue to log in for over half an hour and its been saying that my position in queue is 1 with only 1 second remaining. Other people have reported the same thing. Please let us know the details about this unfortunate situation. Would really like to play but obviously this is a hindrance. Thank you!

LGF8NCrhWh2 votes

Yeah, I am stuck at position 1 as well, for about 45 minutes or so.

Thryale3 votes

does this explain the constant ping spikes I get when playing any match for the past few months? Without fail, almost every single match I play has the "attempting to reconnect" sign pop up, causing me to lag out for several seconds before everything pops back to normal.

(please note, I average 125 ping, and it is usually quite stable outside of the aforementioned spikes. also, I am east coast, if that matters)

Eapenator4 votes

blame your isp's for routing your connection through bad routes. I think there was a reddit post the other day regarding this. It has nothing to with riots servers. You can always call your service provider and try to set something up with them.

I know what you are talking about because I have been experiencing it too, which is why I can't rank with a good conscience.

Nonstoplive3 votes

I don't know if you guys at Riot have noticed this, but whenever i play against a JarvanIV I see this HP bar on the floor instead of on top of his head

rusharion3 votes

Any idea how long it is going to take until I can play ranked again? My career kicks off Monday and I wanted to enjoy my favorite past time until then. item 3157

Slyphen3 votes

those guys has been busy. EVE online is also experiencing DDoS

Zinedity3 votes

Server down again. Getting pretty tired of this I made sure I had a few hours to play today and can't even log in. I hadn't looked at this Lizard Squad bs till today and 32 minutes ago they said something about League going down and that's around when I tried to log in. Are they really that bored? League of Legends is a f2p game they should just hit WoW and leave us alone.

nortluz443 votes

every time I try to open lol up the icon comes up and under it a grey bar then it does nothing anyone else having the same problem?? email me at [email protected] if you have a fix

YuanLinL3 votes

someone that plays dota i bet did this.........

PurpleKingCrazy2 votes

Yay! Riot posted! I should be thankful for seeing this!

Games are starting so very lately, and I just thought they would be starting faster. What's going on?

btw what are DDOS??? I don't get it.

PurpleKingCrazy6 votes

I've looked up DDOS... never mind.

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