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This week, we talk about working in the wonderful world of game design, an update on Championship Riven and how we decide roles for new champions.

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Hey, have you already settled on the best option for bringing back Championship Riven?

Hi there,

Worlds is a special time of year, and with the introduction of Championship Zed who rounds out a full Championship team comp, we wanted to look back to Season 2 where the championship line began. We felt this was a great opportunity to bring back the original Championship skin: Championship Riven for a new generation of players. And we damn well wanted to make sure she felt awesome for original owners. So we spent some time giving her texture some love and bringing it up to our current art standards.

We didn’t want to stop there though, and decided we were going to do something extra special for those who originally obtained her four years ago during the Season 2 World Championship.

If you are an original owner of Championship Riven, we are adding in some extra in-game recognition for you. Firstly, we will be making a custom vintage loading screen banner that is different than previous versions so people will know you’re an OG.

Secondly, we’re creating a “vintage” version of her in-game model that features an exclusive crown and a glowing particle on her sword when her ultimate, “Blade of the Exile” is activated.

Any new owner of the skin will be able to obtain Championship Riven with an updated texture but none of the aforementioned extra goodies. The goal here was to ensure that vintage Championship Riven commemorated the start of the Championship skin line and people who obtained her at that time will get to celebrate that forever.

Championship Riven has been highly coveted by a lot of you for a looooong time. I mean, there was even a petition about it. Over the years, we’ve heard a lot of feedback, excitement and discussion around this skin so we felt it was important to do something different than what we’ve tried in the past.

We hope you enjoy the update and changes. As always, let us know what you think. We welcome it.

-Pabro, Product Manager, Personalization Content



How does Riot decide which roles and play styles they intend new champions to fill? (e.g., tank support, duelist ADC, AP jungle, etc.)

With only a handful of new champions coming out each year and a ton of effort put into each one, we have to be extremely deliberate about what we choose to make. We want all of you – whether you’re a mage-only player or prefer playing support - to feel like you’re consistently getting something new to enjoy. This means we try to hit every role and lane as often as possible.

When we plot out the next year of champions - or even the year after that - we’re looking at what's currently in development as well as where champions we've recently released have landed in terms of role and gameplay niche. Only with all these factors in mind can we then look forward. Questions we’ll ask ourselves include:

  • Which roles or lanes haven't gotten a new champion in a while?
  • Are there any unexplored styles we want to try? (e.g., Kindred came from asking ourselves "What would a jungle marksman look like?)

Occasionally, we also take advantage of special opportunities, such as figuring out what a dragon champion would look like in League of Legends, that may point us towards a particular role (e.g., a dragon is probably a fighter or a mage).

A new champ’s originally intended role or play style can sometimes also drift during development, like when we realized Tahm Kench was going to be a support rather than a top laner. Sometimes we embrace that drift, while in other cases we push back towards the original plan in order to make sure players who particularly enjoy that style of play aren’t waiting too long for something new.

As you can see, there a bunch of factors we have to weigh and plan around, but our consistent long-term goal is to release champions that hit a healthy mix of roles, lanes, identities, playstyles, etc so that all players have something new to master on a regular basis.

– Iniquitee, Champion Team Lead



I’m interested in becoming a game designer (maybe for Riot!) Any tips on getting into the industry?

There are a lot of different paths into the games industry so I can't necessarily share a best way, but I’d be happy to share the way it went for me. Based on my personal journey to game design my top two tips are to 1) make sure you have immense passion for the work, and 2) be equally passionate about learning about players (and how they think) as you may be about design.

As high school was wrapping up for me, for the first time school staff started asking what I wanted to do for a career. That was a huge question to ask teenage me, and I realized I didn’t even know what was out there. Then I thought of games, which were already a huge part of my life, and I figured why not consider it. Interest piqued, I picked up some books on the games industry - and the message I got was devastating. Everything I read made pursuing game design as a profession sound like wanting to be a unicorn when you grow up. I didn't write it off completely, but it certainly helped me make the decision to study economics at a traditional university in order to keep my options open.

As I wrapped up university and found myself staring down the barrel of a 40-hour work week, I realized I just couldn't get excited about finance or banking. I decided I had to find a career I truly loved, and gave myself a summer to land any job I could find in the gaming industry. From there I could figure out whether or not the field was a long-term fit. I applied to something like 50 positions, and got a handful of interviews. I ended up landing a great opportunity doing QA on game content at a studio that completely integrated QA into the development process, which really excited me. I was able to work with several different disciplines and offer meaningful feedback in addition to reporting bugs. Most importantly, I was passively exposed to a wealth of knowledge, just through the conversations that happened as part of my daily work.

In my free time, I began using the design tools to experiment and make content of my own. I didn't expect to ship any of it, but it let me learn, experiment, and get help from more experienced coworkers. I actually ended up finding my background in economics (aka the study of how people make decisions) extremely useful. Design doesn’t start and end with “it would be cool if X!” - it’s about crafting interesting and challenging decisions for the player. Suddenly a background in a field that explores why people make decisions was paying off! Then, when a position in game design became available, I had a record of hard work in QA and a portfolio of independent design work that helped me secure the job.

It’s important to note that when I started off learning about game design, it wasn't purely with the intent to find the job I eventually did, but rather to discover what it might be about the work that would have me waking up excited every day. The more I learned from working on and discussing games, the more I found that I was particularly interested in deep, mastery-filled PvP games. I was a big League player and when I stumbled across Zileas’ design anti-patterns post on the forums it opened my eyes to a different style of design. Riot seemed to be trying to build frameworks that provide analytical, objective ways to evaluate some design values, with counter-play being a good example. Of course, that style comes with its own frustrations - the worst part of iterating towards an ideal is you’re never able to actually reach it! Still, as I learned more about what things I value in a game and in a workplace, I realized Riot’s approach to design reflected my own values and that it was the place I wanted to be.

Hopefully this provides some insight on the path and mindset that led me into game design!

– Riot Wrekz, Game Designer

245 Comments

BurchAndDestroy44 votes

That got me thinking about my own career path. I'm a biochemistry major, just about to start my junior year, but I always wanted to work with video games for my career, though I just never saw it as a possibility. Don't get me wrong, I actually enjoy biochemistry. But in an ideal world, I'd be doing what you're doing

RiotGhostcrawler104 votes

You can still get into game design with almost any kind of degree. It's the way you think about games that's important. I was an oceanographer before I broke into design.

Hyperiön5 votes

Is it 100% required to have a degree to get into the game design field? Or any position at Riot? Always thought it would be amazing dream come true to work at the company of the game I have played for a number of years. Not to mention the roughly 6000 hours I have on here.

Raeynen6 votes

If you don't have a degree, relevant experience is as good if not better. Too often I see companies with arbitrary requirements. I can't speak for Riot's policies, but they seem like a company that would value experience. It's about what you bring to the table and if you're a good fit, not so much your credentials.

Auratic Sky8 votes

You don't need a degree in game design to work at RIOT. The amount of time you've played the game is helpful but it depends on what you can demonstrate you've learned in that time, not just the raw time itself that would help you there.

CopperKitten8 votes

I can't speak to the game design field, but I am a Rioter, and I don't have a college degree. I was in the game industry and worked my way up through Customer Service at another company for a significant time, so my network and experience helped me snag Riot's attention when I applied to Player Support.

A degree is a good way to show experience and dedication, but there are others. A strong portfolio, having documented related field work, things like that can make up for a lot. It takes more than just loving the game, you have to really be ready to show your skill set professionally, and that's why college works well because it's built in documentation of a direction and drive, however I don't think it's the only way to show these things.

So while having a degree of some sort is the standard or normal path, it's not the only one into Riot.

Decrit6 votes

Said by a marine biologist

FFF13 votes

A somehow-not-strangely anthropomorphic octopus's worst nightmare!

NA is MI74 votes

That's why people are always so salty about you! Nami

BloodyTompon27 votes

This pun washed me away.

DKIMBE21 votes

I sea what you did there.

MSTAR2717 votes

These bad jokes are bad for my heart. Too much sodium.[slayer-jinx-catface]

Eshir13 votes

i logged in just to upvote these very whale done!

RedCater16 votes

Anivia You Like puns? TUCAN play at that game Azir Bird puns just FLY over my head

BeeBeeCee6 votes

You like puns? I got a Zilean of them.

LooniestHeart3 votes

Say I wanted to write lore and such (a writer) for League how would I go about that? League of legends is literally the only thing to ever make me want to write anything! Should I get a degree or anything? I would love to write for Riot

Beanok8 votes

I'd also like to mention that it's easier than ever to try your hand at game design casually in your free time, while having a separate career. Tools like Construct2, GameMaker, and Unity make it very easy to create games.

Pacothegint4 votes

Don't forget about Unreal as a possibility as well.

Muzikal6 votes

This article also made me think about why I ended up going into Game Design. I had been a Music Technology major (my other passion) for years, and about a year and a half ago I switched to Computer Science with a focus in Game Design, and I'm loving it. I originally wanted to do songs/themes for games, but got into the knitty-gritty of Music Tech and found that it wasn't going in the direction I wanted, so I switched, and found out I enjoy creating games more. I'm working on my last few classes (got 6 left :D) so be on the lookout for me Riot, I'll be swinging by with an application soon!

LunarMittens3 votes

Yes and yes. To all y'all who are worried about things like college/uni and about choosing your life direction, don't fret. Try things out. See what you like and don't like. Talk with counselors and people out there who are willing to listen and help. Have fun, and give it your all. :)

VesseI3 votes

Holy crap man I'm in the exact same position as you are, major, grade, etc.

DaBluehMonstah19 votes

If a riot member notices this I'll shave my eyebrows and head :)

RiotTummers23 votes

sup

Anakin The Weird12 votes

I have a PhD in being a lazy asshole. Any tips for getting into game design?

Emojay26 votes

You could make Crohmas.

Best MasterYl NA5 votes

ayyy lmao

Best MasterYl NA4 votes

i do like chromas tho

Rivenin12 votes

I have two questions unrelated to the post, but I just came up with them.

  1. Why not have arcade Sona play arcade music like DJ Sona, or would that be OP?
  2. Why can't both teams listen to DJ sona's music..There can only be one Sona on the game, but surely her speakers are loud enough.
zaire908 votes

i kinda want that, everytime i see a dj sona on the opposite team i just think why couldnt u have been on my team

EvilUnicornLord8 votes

If Arcade Sona played music throughout the game, she would be a 3200 skin and no champion needs two of those. If you mean having arcade sound effects on her abilities, well, Pentakill Sona really doesn't sound or look right.

Hakumele10 votes

I think that's a perfect way to celebrate those who have had the skin since the first release, while still giving others a chance to play/use it themselves. You'd be surprised how good I feel when I load in with my PROJECT: Leona skin with other PROJECT skins, and I'm the only one with my unique border. FeelsPrivilegedMan

I'm glad you guys took some of the advice of what others were suggesting, mixed with what you've already done for skins to make them unique to "first adopters." It's great to know that while you may not always be responding, you're always listening.

Can't wait to see Championship Zed in action!

xizaiah8 votes

Will Championship Riven Riven be sold separate as 975RP or will the skin have to be bought in a bundle?

LolíGagging7 votes

She's sold separately. No bundle necessary to get her.

AlexWC8 votes

Huge thanks to all of the Rioter responses in this thread; I particularly enjoyed reading Riot Wrekz's story into the games industry. I studied Computer Science but I wasn't sure how I wanted to use it. I started doing QA (down the street from Riot, no less ^_^) and have fallen in love with analysis/research through programming. I hope to one day join the Riot Insights team.

The Riot API is a little wonky today (I'm getting incomplete data, so take this with a grain of salt), but it looks like you tend to have the highest win-rates in ranked when you play fewer than four games in a row, Riot Wrekz.

P.S. Thanks for designing Braum! He is an inspiration to me; I'm even wearing a Braum shirt as I write this! ^_^

PrincessuuKennii6 votes

Which roles or lanes haven't gotten a new champion in a while?

Tahm Kench was Realeased July 9th, 2015 RITO PLZ

Oblivious Denial6 votes

We need a void support, too.

President Swa1n1 votes

But haven't only like four champions been released since then?

GhostwoodGG10 votes

Kindred Illaoi Jhin AurelionSol Taliyah Kled 6 since then. Not to mention 2 top, 1 jungler, 2 mid, 1 adc

President Swa1n12 votes

True, a support is due, but not overdue.

Although if either one of the next two new champions aren't supports, then a support will be overdue.

PrincessuuKennii3 votes

That was my train of thought as well. Guess I didn't really put much thought into the post at the time as it was just upsetting me too much.

A Wild Minccino6 votes

This discussion about getting a job in game design is making me excited. I decided to change my degree last night to art with a focus on graphic design in hopes to work on games like league. Is there any other advice you would give to someone wanting to get into game design?

RengClaw6 votes

championship riven is the ugliest skin

Regurgitator5 votes

Indeed

Ęros36 votes

Have you seen Crimson Elite Riven [slayer-jinx-unamused]

zaire9031 votes

we dont speak about that

EvilUnicornLord8 votes

Have you seen any Urgot?

allARAMallday05 votes

They're saving it all for a glorious Order of the Plantain Urgot skin.

TheStevenFace5 votes

Thanks for the insight on how to get into the games industry. Starting my sophomore year at collage for game design and computer science and would be thrilled to meet some of you in a couple of years (have to get a lot more experience though, I can program Hello world! YEAH!....).

Avariciousness3 votes

Although I love the fact that Championship Riven is coming back, I think that taking off the on hit animation for the q and reverting it to the classic green Riven cast was a bit far (based off the video from the SkinSpotlights Youtube channel). It throws off the color scheme and makes the skin feel a bit less like a true championship skin and more like a mix of one and a regular skin. Although the Thresh and Shyvana skins were consistantly re-released and weren't the same kind of legacy skin that Championship Riven is, the particles and design didn't change much for them, and they feel like genuinely great skins as a result. I get that you want to make sure that the original owners are rewarded for having played the game when the skin was originally released, but I think that a custom loading screen card as well as the extra ult particles and the added crown is enough. All that being said, I didn't initially own the skin, so maybe I'm biased.

xizaiah11 votes

that was a bug lmao its fixed now there isnt any green particles on rivens third q

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