Retiring Dominion

Riot·1/15/2016, 7:41:36 PM·57 votes·238,488 views

We launched Dominion more than four years ago as an alternative game mode designed to challenge players with fast-paced skirmishes, capture-and-hold gameplay, and different skills to master. Back then, we truly believed the mode would introduce new players to League of Legends and provide current players with an experience as captivating as Summoner’s Rift. As League continues to evolve, our vision for the core game becomes more and more refined, and, after years of learning, it’s clear today that alternative game modes work better in short cycles rather than as standalone queues.

We want to support game modes delivering consistently engaging and competitive experiences. Fewer than 0.5% of players actively play Dominion and we’re aware some number of even that small population is still bots. We haven’t been supporting Dominion, and we’ve trapped ourselves in a vicious cycle where the queue isn’t large enough to warrant major attention, but falls prey to bugs and periods of imbalance from the introduction of new champs and items (which then drives down the size of the queue, and so on).

In the absence of our attention, matchmaking and game quality in Dominion varies wildly based on daily engagement. Because of how matchmaking works, the longer someone looking to play Dominion waits in queue, the wider the pool of potential foes the matchmaker can pull from -- with such a small population, Dominion games can match up widely divergent skill levels after long enough queue times. Unhealthy queues that force players to endure long waits with fluctuating match quality ultimately creates an overall poor experience -- one we take responsibility for.

We might have been able to break out of that downward spiral with more dedicated resources, but we chose Summoner’s Rift as the core League of Legends experience with its depth of gameplay, match pacing, and path to mastery. When it comes to the resources required to keep Dominion permanent and solve the inherent design problems and give it ongoing live balance support, we’ve consistently devoted them to Summoner’s Rift and related features because we felt they’d improve the overall League experience more.

For players who’ve made the Crystal Scar their home over the last four years, we’ll be taking a snapshot of the queue today just before this post goes live. Then we’ll give out an exclusive, never-to-be-reproduced Summoner Icon to anyone with over 100 wins in matchmade Dominion games (not including Co-op vs AI). You can expect the icon to land in your account within two weeks of this announcement! We know this doesn’t ease the sting of losing the mode you’ve spent thousands of hours in. But if you want to stick around and join us on the Rift, we feel you deserve a way to show off your domination.

We’ve learned a lot from Dominion and the costs associated with maintaining a fully separate game mode with balance changes, bugfixes, and item updates. We’re considering other ways to use the Dominion map (as a featured game mode, for example) but nothing is set in stone. We’re retiring Dominion to focus on our vision for League moving forward: we’ll concentrate on the core League game while supporting alternative experiences which deliver consistent, competitive gameplay with healthy queues and appropriate matchmaking (ARAM and featured game modes are good examples of this). We’re permanently disabling Dominion and removing the Crystal Scar from custom games on Monday, February 22..

2,612 Comments

AsianOnboard2/10/2016, 8:04:51 PM1198 votes

HOW THE HELL AM I GOING TO PLAY HIDE AND SEEK IN CUSTOMS

Minarde2/10/2016, 8:55:16 PM719 votes

No one plays Dominion because you've never given us a reason to play Dominion. No ranked, no accolades, no Champ Mastery, nothing. Even balance updates were few and far between. The only reward those of us who became decent at the map ever got was longer queue times.

Every year, you assured us that you were discussing the issue. Every year, barely anything happened. Over the past five years, we've lost existing players to neglect, potential players to ignorance, dev support to other teams, and even our little corner of the boards to redesigns, but we've always had our home map. Regardless of whether we were active players or not, we still felt a bond through the Crystal Scar. And now we've lost that too.

What next? Is Twisted Treeline going to be removed as well? You specifically mention ARAM as a healthy map and yet you rarely pay any attention there either. Why try to fool us about "supporting alternate experiences" when it's increasingly obvious that Summoner's Rift is the only experience you care about?

AnOrangeSealion2/10/2016, 8:13:15 PM646 votes

Getting rid of Crystal Scar in Customs makes zero sense. If you want to get rid of the matchmaking queue then fine, do so but leave the custom games option up for anyone who wants to goof around on the map.

Flore2/10/2016, 8:14:35 PM547 votes

Fuck you.

Kaliin2/10/2016, 10:38:36 PM379 votes

Dear Riot,

 I am a fairly veteran player of this game (mid season 2). This decision is the latest and if I may say agregious, in a recent string of changes that I believe are negatively impacting the game in such a way that I personally fear will and has been driving away a core player base that made the game what it is today.

 In the nature of expediency I shall limit my post to my grievance with the removal of dominion. I have very fond memories of playing the Dominion game mode as soon as I discovered it as an option in my early days of league. I must admit that I have not played dominion very often lately, but that is because of a multitude of factors, that you yourselves have admitted to being responsible for. The first and foremost being you pay zero attention to the game mode. As I was growing up I was raised with the mentality that if you make a mistake you don't run away from it, you stand up, take responsibility for it and you fix it. By abandoning dominion riot not only shows a lack of integrity but a lack of will to work on its most challenging tasks. Take the champion Galio as an example, with a pick rate of .1% for support and .2% in top.(ranked platinum and above as of 6.2) by following this precident that you are setting with the removal of Dominion, would  Galio be next on the chopping block? Albeit this may be a slightly extreme example, following your logic it's not out of the realm of possibility. The notion that content can be removed from the game because of the current lack of player base is a frightening notion.

 My next point touches on another one of your arguments for the removal of Dominion. Bot accounts are toxic and unhealthy for the state of the game, everyone can agree on this. However, instead of addressing the underlying issue, getting rid of the bots, you want to simply remove the vehicle for which the bots are accessing the game. This is not a logical solution. If you break a finger, don't drop off your own hand, you fix the finger! I can remember seeing bot accounts in Dominion and even Twisted Treeline as far back as two to three seasons ago. This is not a new issue. Just because it occurs during low server traffic times on the less popular game modes it has not even been acknowledged, to my awareness. Does this mean that the Twisted Treeline will also go the way of dominion? I would be more outraged more than I am now if you were remove treeline. I understand as with previous content that has been removed from the game e.g. heart of gold, force of nature, or blood razor, were removed because they were unhealthy for the current state of game. However dominion is its own stand alone game mode which does not impact Summoner's Rift what so ever. Sure you don't have the time or resources to dedicate to fixing dominion so just leave it alone people are currently satisfied with the way it is. I would guarantee that the player base of Dominion would have no qualms with new champions being disabled on dominion until somebody have the time to get around to it.

 My final point is that concerning the community created Custom mode of hide and seek. whereas Dominion and its normal mode may not have a large player base, people that play hide and seek are quite numerous. One  can enter the join a custom game lobby and find a large number of people playing hide and seek. As another poster mentioned that there are at least three different chat dedicated to creating hide and seek games. I understand the the difficulty that would be required for making hide and seek a custom game mode such as perma banned champions, items, excetera. However removing Dominion as a map even from the custom game mode options, is an insult to the people who love to play the Hide and Seek mode which I count myself among. The necessity of having such games available is to provide a form of relaxation and stress relief for those individuals who take League of Legends is a game very seriously. I know what you're thinking, " this is a game it's meant to have fun,  if you aren't  having fun then why play at all?" For many individuals, myself included, league has become more than just a game. It is not only a lifestyle but a passion which many individuals dedicate themselves to. I'm sure that many people will agree that even normal Summoner's Rift can be an extremely stressful experience as the game has progressed into such a state that the level of competitiveness and the shrinking window of what is meta has created an environment that can cause great stress and experiences that are downright unpleasant. I would bet that every summoner has questioned why they play this game anymore at one point or another, or even taking large breaks of time from playing the game at all. Sure you have the aram mode as a laid back way to play. However, at least in my personal opinion, Aram quickly becomes repetitive and just downright not fun as often times, at least in my experience, the balance of teams due to the random selection is skewed. For example one team has three assassins that rely on stealth and the other team has the wombo combo of doom. Hide and seek is a way for me personally to have fun in a guaranteed matter I never play a game of hide and seek that I want to rip my hair out over. It's a game mode that I can relax and be sociable and just enjoy the game for the sake of the game. By removing the Dominion map you take this away from me and I find that inexcusable.

I feel as if I ranted it on long enough and have stated my points and concerns. What I want to see from you, riot, of course ideally would be to leave Dominion as is. I do understand your points, though I may not fully agree with them, and at the very least if you remove the pvp que for Dominion, for the love of Teemo, please please please please leave it in custom. will we ever see the Ascension game mode again? ( I thought this was one of the most fun temporary modes you have ever made)

I throughly expect this to be read and responded to, as I believe I have stated my points in a logical and concise manner. These grievances must be addressed. Riot you are seriously teetering on the edge of not giving a shit about your community. Seriously wake up and listen to us. I know I'm not alone.

With deep and disturbed regards, gumsquatt, aka: chiggo, chaidaigan.

TL;DR: KEEP DOMINION ALIVE FOR US PLEASE!

le Fay2/10/2016, 8:08:09 PM348 votes

RIP... Skin spotlightsKatarina

Adonna2/10/2016, 9:36:42 PM330 votes

Honestly, I never played dominion much except for the Ascension event for the icons but removing it when there is still a player base (no matter how small), is alienating those fans of your game. It's like taking away a toy from a child and then giving them a picture of it (taking away the mode, but here's an icon for your troubles). It's a half-hearted gesture for a mode that was unloved and uncared for by Riot themselves - they set it up to fail from the start if they had no intentions of caring for it.

This also sets the precedence for removing other game modes/maps/features which is all too terrifying if you aren't what playing what Riot is pushing (Ranked 5v5). I play ARAM's now mostly (I played customs before it was made into a mode) and I used to Ranked 5v5. Now I am against Riot's core agenda or 'Vision' and I can't help but feel the target on my back and the timer set. The only thing that keeps ARAM safe is the fact that there is no balancing or heavy maintenance needed since it uses the core of Summoner's Rift items/etc. which is Riot's primary focus.

I also have to address this statement 'Why are Featured Game Modes Temporary?' stating custom maps being in rotation and for shorter duration makes them more popular/better/less constraining. This is completely unfounded and absurd bullshit if I've ever heard it. RIOT has not given the community a chance to play these modes (Ascension, URF, Doombots etc) longer than a given period of time at any point in their introduction of the given mode. How on Earth do you know that this is the best way for them if you've never tried the alternatives - RIOT LOGIC.

ON TOP OF THIS INJURY, YOU ADD INSULT by stating

'(modes are) designed to make a big splash, with the knowledge they will be removed shortly thereafter. Adding permanency would constrain the design wiggle room we have to make each mode as unique as possible.'

(see link provided in above Riot statement) So, in essence, they are a MARKETING TOOL for you to drum up excitement about your game. And although they are 'unique and fun', they also constrain you in some capacity to make more modes? So you just want to copy modes and slap new names on them? This entire statement is literally treating the community like an illiterate fool.

This whole thing is a mess honestly and I truly feel for the players of this mode - they are the losers in this all. And in the end, Riot continues to think that their 'Vision' is and must be the players 'Vision' and this is what is best for THEM. They've forgotten what made them so great - they listened, they understood and tried to deliver a game that everyone loves. They may still listen (more so with their wallets) and throw us a bone or two, but with every small consolation prize or change we ask for, there are so many more things they refuse to acknowledge or take that just takes us a couple steps back.

TLDR: Riot let the mode fail due to lack of resources, icon is consolation prize to player base who should still matter to Riot (no matter how small). This starts the domino effect for other modes/features/etc in the way of Riot's 'Vision' aka Ranked 5v5. The 'Why are Featured Game Modes Temporary?'statement is literally stating game modes are marketing ads and nothing more. All proving further that Riot is pushing their agenda/checking their bank statements and treating the community like an imbecile UNLESS it effects revenue. Hugs to Dominion players losing their game mode.

Syxkit2/10/2016, 8:13:58 PM326 votes

PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE THE MAP people still use the map even to day for fun game modes such as hide and seek, maybe this is not the idea riot should think of, instead of removing a gamemode.. why not add more gamemodes encouraging players to try new and different things and also get more friends to play league of legends!

Hoggy2/10/2016, 9:21:21 PM245 votes

"Instead of putting in effort, we're just going to get rid of it to focus on e$ports" is pretty much what I got out of all of this.

Awesome.

TerraRising2/10/2016, 8:17:51 PM225 votes

It really should have died when the Dominate Dominion gave up.

This is entirely Riot's failure to support their map and players, not the fault of the community, however.

Arbucks2/10/2016, 8:05:20 PM224 votes

TIME TO RIOT summoner 14 summoner 14 summoner 14 summoner 14

Fart Goblin2/10/2016, 9:07:11 PM203 votes

Maybe if you made any effort what so ever to improve the game mode more people would have played it. You idiots let it sit there and rot, added a couple items once and a while, and a stupid trinket. You never bothered to make it competitive or balanced, update the visuals, or change it up much at all after 4 years. So no shit people don't play it. You assholes forgot about it 99% of the time. How would you expect the players to remember something or bother playing it if you guys didn't?

VasoCongestion2/10/2016, 8:46:18 PM183 votes

Yes, dominion was my home for the longest time. I am close to the 1000 victory mark and have 985 wins. The reason I started playing Dominion was because my anxiety would flare up whenever I played SR because I would put too much pressure on myself to do well and contribute the most I could towards victory. But with dominion I did not feel that I had to force myself or concentrate super hard to play well, it was just fun and fast paced games. I will surely miss Dominion and all the other people that only played that mode. Thank you Riot for providing me a way to still enjoy playing the game. I had fun while it lasted. I will reach the 1000 mark before the death of Dominion and bid thee farewell, my sweet unloved prince.

Envory1212/10/2016, 8:11:34 PM176 votes

PLEASE NO! This is the only map we can do hide and seek on and I have so many friends that play it D: There's at least 10-12 rooms going with 7 people a piece at any one time mid day on NA. Please at least let us pick it in customs D:

ModJikker2/10/2016, 8:55:12 PM170 votes

DO NOT DO THIS. I don't play Dominion, but honestly it is you Riot, not the players that have killed this mode. So little playerbase? Maybe because it receives zero love, zero support, and zero updates from the Riot team. How long have people been asking for Ranked Dominion? A long time. If you have made it, you'd probably find a bigger playerbase. Don't punish the Dominion players for the sake of your mistake Riot.

I will be very sad to see it gone as I was just starting to appreciate it on my smurf and thought I might even give it a try when I want a break from SR.

I strongly urge you to listen to the playerbase and do not remove this map. At least keep it as a custom option.

If you are doing this to get rid of bots, then maybe learn to deal with the bots rather than trying to remove where they live. This will just shove them into TT or SR and that's the last thing we want. Bots will stay even if Dominion goes.

Talith PA2/10/2016, 9:08:21 PM163 votes

Dominion was all that I played. :( Over 3000 wins on Dom over the years. I guess now I am finally free from this game. summoner 1

Solerian2/10/2016, 8:58:05 PM161 votes

"it’s clear today that alternative game modes work better in short cycles rather than as standalone queues."

So I'm guessing we're going to see ARAM go, too, until all we're given to play is the same damn Summoner's Rift over and over?

Forget the folks that play Dominion or Hide and Seek on a regular basis or the countless people begging for URF or other modes to have a permanent placement in the game.

Certainly one of the worst decisions Riot's elected to make here.

ujf2qEqxi92/10/2016, 9:34:55 PM157 votes

"We want to support game modes delivering consistently engaging and competitive experiences. Fewer than 0.5% of players actively play Dominion and we’re aware some number of even that small population is still bots."

Bullshit. You created it and left it to wither and die. Nobody plays it because you don't support it in any way, shape, or form.

LCS is your only concern.

violatedillusion2/10/2016, 9:18:39 PM146 votes

You guys made over 1 billion dollars in revenue last year... don't ever complain to me about not having enough resources again. I'm just plain sick of that one at this point.

Pete Wrigley2/10/2016, 8:13:36 PM125 votes

I am sad to see this but my initial reaction was 'it's about damn time'. I love(d) Dominion, and along with many passionate community members was pretty angry at how you decided to manage it over the years. Dominion should have been removed the day you decided not to seriously support it. Instead we spent time being teased, then strung along with the promise of support, then neglected, and finally abandoned and forgotten.

The game mode was extremely fun and has an interesting and exciting meta. The biggest disappointment is what Dominion could have been. It suffered from a downward spiral of not devoting enough resources to support it, then using the resulting poor experience to justify less support, then using the resulting terrible experience to eventually disable it. Most of the people I know who play Dominion aren't angry about the queue times or the game mode, they're angry about the terrible line of reasoning and decision making that led to where we are today. It's not that Dominion didn't work or was bad, it's that it wasn't supported and it wasn't promoted.

Anyway, thank you for finally putting Dominion down. It didn't have a good life, but it had its moments in the sun. I'll always remember the fun I had playing full tank node-defender Janna.

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BishopScott2/11/2016, 12:42:01 AM120 votes

My wife and I play Dominion exclusively, for a few years now. We don't have the time to commit to the longer games of Summoner's Rift, and we don't have the patience to grind on minoins when, as two adults around 30 years old, we'd rather be having some fun killing things. Dominion was a great place for us to jump into a few games every night with a bunch of other friends.

We've spent quite a bit on League in the three years or so we've been playing. I'm not some kid who's going to try to rage and boycott League of Legends, but here's the truth: you're going to lose us, and the family members we've pulled into this game mode with us.

And we'll find another game. But that means you'll lose a couple that watches Pro games while we eat dinner (we often skip past the slow parts at the start). Which means we also won't have games on in the background while we're at work. And we won't be subscribed to the League community channels on YouTube, because we'll put our precious free-time towards other games that cater to the limited time we have for actual sit-down play. You know those "[insert company] evangelists"? That was me for League. I hyped up the games, the community, the art, the LCS, everything.

You have a business to run, and I get that. But this really sucks. The sting of wasting money on a game I thought I was going to play for some time is one thing, but the whole community I'm going to end up walking away from is the most frustratng. By removing Dominion, you're removing a space for people like us who found it fit our gaming styles.

Kalarepa2/10/2016, 9:00:34 PM118 votes

Sorry Riot, but an icon? You could at least give them some special skin for Skarner or something.

Apokkalypto2/10/2016, 9:07:03 PM103 votes

Seriously riot? Can't you see that all of your players are screeching for this not to happen, for one reason or another? Your RIOT EMPLOYEE'S comments are being downvoted so hard that they're being shown as"below threshold." Quit fucking caring about the money and care about your players, and the game will be as great as it used to be. League of legends has sold out, that is why i barely play this shite anymore.

Monkeytender2/10/2016, 8:11:57 PM96 votes

Hide and Seek should definitely come back as a Featured Game Mode. Otherwise my "All Movement Speed" Zilean mastery page is just gonna sit there collecting dust.

MrDogBirds2/10/2016, 8:24:55 PM96 votes

The reason no one plays dominion is because you never ever keep up with any game mode besides summoners rift... if you kept up with dominion and updated it as often as you do summoners rift people would actually play it...IF ANYTHING just update it riot! You're letting this game fall apart as a whole.

itsjustyourface2/10/2016, 8:27:10 PM94 votes

NOT LIKE THIS, NOT LIKE THIS.

Unreliable2/10/2016, 8:28:03 PM85 votes

Bullshit... Just utter bullshit...

Darkwind2/10/2016, 9:50:20 PM83 votes

I am incredibly disappointed by this decision, and will likely spend significantly less time playing LoL after this change than before it. I've spent a completely ridiculous amount of time perfecting a rule set for Hide and Seek, have probably 2000 game of this mode played, and spend a very significant amount of my time on this mode.

I would ask you to seriously reconsider this decision, as there are clearly a decent number of other people that would like to at least use this mode in custom games. Crystal Scar is incredibly useful for custom games in a way that Summoner's Rift isn't and never can be.

The 'costs' you cite associated with maintaining Dominion cannot be particularly high. You simply do not do even basic things to adjust the balance of the map. Luden's Echo existed on Crystal Scar when it built out of a Needlessly Large Rod- you could buy it, even though you couldn't get the rod. Even now, there isn't a Crystal Scar version of the item in the "item sets"- the system will claim that you can't buy it there. I don't remember the last time I saw any real support from you regarding Crystal Scar, and that's fine. I cannot imagine you spend more than 10 man hours of work a patch on Crystal Scar. Such a cost is negligible to a company with revenues such as yours. If this is not the case, I'd love to see evidence of it- but I haven't, not for a very long time.

In any event, a version of Dominion, even less supported than it currently is, should in my opinion be left available.

el Tartoon2/10/2016, 8:20:49 PM74 votes

Why would you remove something that adds to the game there already isnt enough variety with 3 maps

DarkInsignia2/10/2016, 8:33:41 PM74 votes

I remember old questionnaires that appeared after games. "What would you like to see most in LoL" My answer is still more game modes. Sure I didn't play Dominion much, but it at least played entirely different than SR and ARAM. Those modes are boring as balls to me now. This is why older players are leaving

The Lady Eve2/10/2016, 8:29:43 PM72 votes

You consistently give Summoner's Rift everything. Not everybody enjoys playing Summoner's Rift, and that's okay. But when you make changes and make that the core, then other game modes fall behind. It's no wonder why Dominion is the least popular, but several things could have been done to give it new life. This makes me so sad.

The Öutcast2/10/2016, 8:55:53 PM68 votes

So basically, you brought out dominion as this great exciting thing hoping to turn it into a ranked queue...only to not even live up to the promises you made upon it's release, allowing it to suffer in mediocrity and then finally hide your shame now. Brilliant.

It's been on a slow decline as far as people who want to play it because people got tired of waiting for you, Riot, to fulfill the promises you made.

Hernani2/10/2016, 8:09:21 PM66 votes

I've never played dominion before but I feel kinda bad cause dominion is like that Uncle in your family that is there for you whenever you need a break from your family. (norms/ranked)

DakuDouble2/10/2016, 8:26:01 PM66 votes

What they should do is have a different gamemode every month all month, and yes it can be the same gamemode, it should be on a rotation {{summoner:2}}

Parakeeni2/10/2016, 8:19:01 PM64 votes

NOOOO I JUST GOT INTO THIS MODE