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Patch Rundown 6.11

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Welcome to another episode of the Patch Rundown, a series where expert analysts and developers give you an inside take on the biggest changes heading into the game each and every patch.

This week, designers Wesley ‘SmashGizmo’ Ruttle, August ‘gypsylord’ Browning stop by to discuss the impact of the Mid-Season Invitational as well as the rest of the changes coming in to Patch 6.11!


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119 Comments

Frozted22 votes

we used to get a video.

LynxLogic11 votes

Graves used to have a cigar.

LynxLogic17 votes

Cass used to have boots. Meanwhile, midlane: Velkoz wearing boots.

Dj Nerate2 votes

Leave a commentAurelionSol Hello?

LynxLogic1 votes

AurelionSol You're right. Sol should get 2 pairs. Probably has cold feet. summoner 4 summoner 6 item 2053 item 3285 item 3100 item 3046

Total Eclipse18 votes

Listen I'm a 500 ranked game Ryze main, peaking in Plat 2 last season. I will tell you that you are trying to balance Ryze wrong!! Your main concerns: a stat-checker. Stand next to each other until someone dies. You have. Completely. Fixed this problem. By making his passive last for only 5 spells. Background: I used to have a sub-50 winrate when Ryze was in his completely busted state. Why? The obsession with power. I used to be able to 1v3 and win. Because I could scale well, and then apply that scaling to 12 spells in 5 seconds. Now, I literally never win a 1v2, EVER. By making Ryze's uptime less than half of what it used to be, you force him to rely on his team when he has to go on cooldown. You get this beautiful combat weaving where it's like in and out. Hey team, you got my back while I charge up? Andthen bam, back into the fray. I have just gotten used to this new deal, where you have the ultimate availible to fuel your next passive almost every time, but your combos are heavily limited in raw size. I respect the fact that Ryze is just doing too much damage. But you CANNOT take away his functionality like this. You are gutting, that's right gutting, his usability by taking the cooldown back to 50 seconds and you know it. That fuel was part of the deal. He would get shorter combos, but more of them- at least in the end game. Hitting that level 16 powerspike has been like reaching my final form. I feel enabled- I can actually sling spells again. Now he just gets short combos, all game? His kit was making sense. You're killing his identity as a machine gun mage, which DRASTICALLY lowers his skill cap. Lower the damage, not the number of spells.

I had a big issue listening to today's podcast. No way to address the perma-root? Please. With 5 spells per combo, that is quite simply not even a thing anymore. It made me really mad when a caster said Ryze can root a person for 4 seconds. The disrespect for his state of balance was real. In the real game, if a player strategically as hell cast his spells right, he can get a maximum root of 3 seconds on one person, and that's with max rank W. E's damage is so bad all around, that I only max W half of the time to compensate, meaning this level of snare often comes at level 18 and it sits at 1-1.2 seconds per cast for the rest of the game, but that's a different story. All this completely ignores tenacity in the equation, which is a factor to be considered against all cc champs like Twisted Fate and Morgana. 40% tenacity is now completely realistic. In reality, you get a maximum of 2 snares per passive, with little to no (0-4 seconds) cooldown reduction towards your 3rd. That's on a 14 second cooldown. When's the last time you got snared 3 times in a row, or for 4 seconds straight, Mr. Caster sir? It sure as hell was not any time in the past 4 months because that wouldn't be possible. Real players know that Ryze's snares are short but effective. Besides, it would be easy to add a lock-out timer where you have to snare a different target.

A few ways I think Ryze could be balanced: Change the healing from ultimate to 20% at all ranks from 15/20/25%, to compensate for its now increased uptime lategame, while making its use in lane more realistic as well, especially when coupled with the high cooldown at level 6. Fix the ultimate cooldown to 70/50/30, and also change the AoE damage from 50% at all ranks to 30/40/50% to further enforce his late-game identity, squash his 1v2 potential, and also keep the returning E power in check. Buff single target E damage to the original 50/66/82/98/116, and bring back the .3 AP ratio, from the current 36/52/68/84/100 +.2AP, while reducing the outgoing bolt dmg to 75% (note to casuals: this outgoing bolt dmg applies 50% of its damage to all other targets with ultimate active), overall nerfing the empowered E in teamfights and increasing the situational kill potential in lane. Also make Q's AP ratio increase with points just like the mana ratio (+.40/.44/.48/.52/.56% AP from +55% AP), to make his laning more E oriented, and further reduce Q's base damage to its "original" state, which is another 20 points in the weaker direction at max rank from 6.10's 20 point nerf, which is roughly a Blasting Wand's worth of base damage weaker than he was in 6.9 at level 9 and up.

Thanks for reading, I hope my insight can take Ryze to a better place than the one he is in now.

The Booty SIayer4 votes

I think character identity has become less important to riot. Ryze has always been a huge power house late game making him have a goal, an identity. I feel that in the attempts to make Ryze balanced riot is forgetting he is supposed to be trash early, but when he starts to spike he should start to become relevant again. God forbid an enemy ryze gets to late game your team should be afraid of him. Ryze also suffers from lack of mobility, and I feel that should be the point of his weakness. I feel lowering his base speed, increase his ult bonus move speed and balance his early to late game scaling. I don't support these generalized nerfs, and I feel riot should focus more on identity rather then just smacking champs with the nerf bat.

Di3selskyy2 votes

Srsly man. Youre a Ryze man. Enough said.

SaltyKiwi1 votes

Listen I'm a 30 unranked game Teemo main, it's time to change your tactics. I am going to keep planting my cancer all over the map

LynxLogic7 votes

Ekko: Quite possibly the coolest champ CONCEPT. He unearths my utmost hatred. He is not a must pick he is a must ban. Ekko players get removed from my friends list. Ekko belongs in Doto. plz no more storm spirit ekko crap Also, to the designer: I love you. Please. Make Ekko less of a game changer. Make guardian angel unbuyable for him: Then maybe I could live with him.

Beedle2 votes

Hey that's not fair, I mained Ekko back when he was an AP champ and now I don't/can't play him. Don't hate me...hate the Tank Ekko fad. I sure do...

Th4ren2 votes

ap ekko has been repeatedly buffed...

Woolgathered1 votes

What are you saying man?? Ekko is now really balanced im talking about tank Ekko and AP Ekko.. he received 2 strong nerfs on patch (6.8) and then another four strong nerfs on patch (6.11) what are you really saying.. hes pretty balanced, its just you cant or dont know how to play against him.. actually i believe after all these nerfs, Ekko now is dead and destroyed.. hes very weak now AP and Tank.. i mean balancing Tank Ekko was about tradeoffs, i mean losing damage for survivability and durability, and thats exactly what it is, after the ekko nerfs on patch (6.8) tank ekko almost deals zero damage, so please dont talk as if he is OP.. what about Zed and Azir who are really broken but never touched.. these W stun duration nerf and increasing passive cooldown will really destroy AP Ekko.. so please stop talking as hes now dead and usless and out again.. go talk about realy broken champions instead of the balanced champions that you dont know how to play against. hes no longer a priority in the pro scene, sometimes he never get banned or even picked in games.

Th4ren2 votes

he was 100% pick/banned at MSI which was played on either 6.9 or 6.8 (I forget which) and is still picked or banned in every pro game I've seen on patch 6.10. I'm pretty sure if he's one of the most common picks at the pro lvl it's not a matter of not knowing how to play against it. they know ekko inside and out and there conclusion is that he is still one of the most op champs on patch 6.10

your last sentence is just wrong even with trundle considered a solid counter pick I just saw an ekko picked into trundle. I don't see how you could be actually watching pro league right now and not see ekko as a priority pick.

Surly Joe6 votes

Nice!

Best Champion NA6 votes

But can riot balance the 95-96 Bulls? Alistar Alistar

BryBry782 votes

they'd just nerf the heck out of Jordan

Dj Nerate1 votes

No one play him in my good Bronze DivisionAlistar item 3070

UnwardiI6 votes

"You can dodge out of [Ekko's] q"

I'm sorry, have you ever fucking PLAYED against tank Ekko?

Fuck, these guys are idiots.

AlexXeno2 votes

You can dodge it, assuming he isn't already in your face and throwing it point blank. you can't dodge anything when they are point blank.

UnwardiI2 votes

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You can dodge it, assuming he isn't already in your face and throwing it point blank. you can't dodge anything when they are point blank.

No, my point was, if you're against a tank Ekko in the late game, you CAN'T dodge it, because he just runs right at you at a million speed, dashes onto your face and hits you point blank. He will do it again 3 seconds later and there is absolutely nothing you can ever do about it.

Banısh1 votes

Thats why they are nerfing tank ekko, did you not listen to anything they said lol

UnwardiI1 votes

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Thats why they are nerfing tank ekko, did you not listen to anything they said lol

That's what they said in one sentence, but in the very next sentence they're like "Well I mean I hope this works? We don't even understand how our own game works, this character might just be completely broken"

Spoilers, HE IS!

Chess15 votes

Dont worry this game is balanced

Virgin Ray37 votes

Zed "Balance is weakness"

FATAL SHOT5 votes

Podcast was actually really nice to listen to!

Xplicit0235 votes

What's the opening song?

Elt3 votes

Sarude - Dankstorm

Drmy2 votes

lol, it's the opening of last year's, most sophisticated and distinguished game mode, URF

facemelter7105 votes

The URF song

Xplicit0232 votes

{quoted}

The URF song

Thank you!

Vaynuz4 votes

ADC's are in such a bad state right now. Someone in riot should at least address these issues.

Phylol's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRcX_hqa-GU

Paradisus4 votes

I am glad they addressed Azir in this podcast. Long-range hyper-carry with self-peel, major tower-shred, ridiculous mobility and escape, and a good golden chicken will punish any movement mistake you make by sending you into his team. If he doesn't obliterate you through the laning-phase and conquer the lane two towers down before the rest of his team, he'll make sure you die to his team if you try to go in an any carry.

bassGST4 votes

Azir azir gets nerfed because pro players use him to much. please. he has so much struggle early on in the game, he does so well in pro games because there playing as a team, solo rank he gets rekt so easily.very bad decision to give him no buffs in return.

Nilok2 votes

It's not like Zed who either gets picked or banned in every game, he obviously needs to compensation.

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Epic0rGasm4 votes

Thats's why i voted for trump. Make League of Legends great again!!!!!Ahri

Shend it3 votes

Id really like if this returned to video rundowns instead of podcasts.

Laser PP Razor3 votes

Riot is so lazy, BRING THE VIDEO BACK!

Auturgist3 votes

I don't ever want to listen to another one of these if Zirene isn't there to check all the really dumb shit you guys say.

Daddy Rhaast2 votes

Rip Azir in solo queue. There goes his only source of spacing against gap closers. Ded.

Lobokendo2 votes

And everyone just walked away at the end leaving the recording to be alone... Poor recording equipment

Mazariamonti2 votes

Glad they devoted less than a minute to discuss their ridiculous reasoning on Zed changes.

LGN Koffee2 votes

Make a video. Not a podcast.

Quil Evrything1 votes

Where's the "Buy champ shard for IP" option you promised? It shouldnt be that hard! I have 5 champs that need their mastery 6 conversion!

ty zadok1 votes

item 1001

Dj Nerate1 votes

summoner 6 Naruto's run start yelling weaboos

GrumpyMoose1 votes

honestly kind of scared of the triforce changes. The only champ I play who bought it was gangplank and he was one of the few who used the crit. Hopefully this doesnt effect him much

Banısh1 votes

As a yasuo main, im sad too

ReZisT Lust1 votes

why now you can get shiv ie tri right?

MasterDye1 votes

Is it just me or does Braum feel less tanky then he should be early...

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