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Ask Riot: Chromas and ChampUp

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This week, we talk about the future of chromas and deciding which champs to update.

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How do we select which Champions get full Visual & Gameplay Updates (VGUs)?

There are a bunch of factors we have to consider when selecting our candidates for a VGU, so I’ll go over both the biggest reasons behind our choice of update projects and a few of the smaller ones. Usually, the selection is based on a combination of everything below and where we think we can get the most value across the board.

The Big 4

  1. Player Request - This is arguably the most weighted of all the reasons. We’re regularly sending surveys to League players across the globe - some of you have probably filled them out! One of the things we ask players is whether they think particular champions need an update or rework. We’ll use the data from these surveys – as well as other sources – and build a list of the champions most players are eager to see updated. We usually look at the top 10-15 on this list when considering new update projects.


  2. Overall Design / Art / Theme Level - We keep internal ratings that describe how well we think potential update candidates are hitting various quality bars - generally design, art and theme. A low design score might indicate a champion with an unhealthy or dated kit. Art issues include problems like an older model / FX. Theme rating might be low for champions with a theme that doesn’t really resonant with most players (Galio) or champions with thematic mismatches (Poppy looking like a Tank but playing like an Assassin).


  3. Potential of a Champion's Archetype - This relates to when a champion has a super strong theme but it isn’t really being executed on well. Pre-update Fiora was a good example of a champion that wasn’t particularly “low quality,” but to us she seemed full of opportunity to better execute a “Fencing Duelist” that would be super resonant with players. Essentially, we’re looking out for champions who we think have a ton of untapped potential we can unlock by executing on them today. Someone like Irelia, for example, is high on our list for this reason – it’s pretty clear that the idea of a champion using levitating blades is really freaking cool, but right now you could replace Irelia’s weapon with almost anything and the kit would still work. The idea of a cutting-edge execution on a champion with levitating blades is super exciting for the Champion Update team!

    If you look at our recent and upcoming reworks you can see they each fall into a different category. Ryze was selected largely for game health concerns (#2), Yorick is one the most requested by players (#1), and Warwick is a champion we feel has huge potential given a modern execution (#3). Those aren't the only three reasons though, which brings me to the fourth, and least common, reason.


  4. Other Events / Projects going on around Riot - This usually isn’t a factor, but sometimes there are events or projects being worked on by other teams around Riot that lead us to prioritize an update for a specific champion. The Gangplank VGU for the Bilgewater Event is a great example of this kind of decision.

Other Reasons

So those are the big reasons, but there are a bunch of smaller ones that can also impact our decisions. The reasons below would never single-handedly cause us to choose a champion for an update, but if we are torn between several different champions that fulfill the criteria above, then some of the reasons below could be the deciding factor.

Team Excitement - When we’re deciding which champions to get to work on next, we also send a survey out to the Champion Update team to see which champions they’re most excited to work on. Again, this won’t determine anything by itself, but if we have two potential updates that we feel represent equal player value, then team excitement for one of the projects could sway the decision. Also, sometimes one of our designers or artists might have a particularly strong pitch for one of the projects we’re considering, which could make the difference in what we choose to do.

Champion Diversity - Long-term, we attempt to work on a range of different champions for our VGUs. For example, we try to avoid doing too many dark characters or too many light characters back to back, or sequentially updating two champions from the same faction. We also try to hit a number of different classes - we probably wouldn’t want to do two assassins in a row, for example.

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Everything above factors into which champions we decide to explore next, but it’s important to note that not all champions we explore end up going into production. We usually have 2-3 champions in early exploration at a time, and it's only when we land on an awesome design, narrative, and art direction for them that we go into production (at which point they get put on the Champion Update Schedule). Sometimes we ultimately don’t find something cool enough to go into production, so we put them down temporarily and move on to other champions on the list.

Hopefully this clarifies how and why we select particular champions for VGUs, but I’ll be sticking around in this thread for awhile to answer any more questions you might have!

– Reav3, Lead for Champ Update Team



What happened with Chromas?

In an earlier Ask Riot, we answered why there haven’t been any Chromas lately, and now we’re happy to share another update.

As part of our process to improve chromas, our first move was to go back to the basics. We wanted to make sure we really answered the following question: “Why would I, as a player, want Chromas?”

Here’s the thing. I love skins and have a lot of them. But there are certain skins I always go back to. Arcade Miss Fortune is one of my favorite skins, and looking at what you guys are playing, it’s one of your favorites, too. And if I can play her in a rainbow of options, that sounds pretty cool to me. Chromas are meant to deepen your experience with a piece of content you already own, love, and play the shit out of. It’s that simple.

Next, how do we address your feedback? Player reactions towards chromas centered around bundling, aesthetics, and pricing, so that’s where we put the majority of our focus:

  • We unpacked chromas so you can buy them individually, while still allowing you to buy them in bundles for a discount.

  • We revamped color schemes and added patterns and textures.

  • We priced chromas at 290 RP each, and we’re also introducing recurring IP sales that will take place twice a year. The first IP sale goes from August 25, 2016 to September 8, 2016 and includes all chromas launched before August 2016. During the IP sale, chromas will be sold individually for 2000 IP.

We’re excited about these changes and are set on continually improving chromas and making them a fun feature for your favorite skins. We’re excited to hear what you think about these latest updates in the comments.

– SuperCakes, Lead for Personalization (Skins) Team

600 Comments

RoaminOrc41 votes

So, when is Yorick getting that rework that was so long ago? Any rioters that can drop some hints?

RiotReav386 votes

Soon! Yorick will be sometime between now and the next new champion.

World Ender16 votes

Will the team ever go back and take a look at Shen? His rework just didn't hit the mark for me. His Spirit Sword mechanic is interesting, but it just doesn't feel right on a champion like him. Also the fact that he got no new voice lines, particles, or recall makes the rework feel like it's unfinished. Compared to literally every other rework in the past year, his is by far the most poorly executed.

RiotReav322 votes

Currently we don't have anything planned. We have discussed giving a little love to him in the future, though nothing is certain yet. If tanks end up being the next class update we work on there is a good chance we give him a little love around then.

World Ender20 votes

See, this tears me to pieces. My two favorite champions, Shen and Aatrox, are both on the board now to get some changes with roster updates. Assuming you do go with either divers or tanks and not some other class next, that probably won't even be until around mid next year, with the other class not even guaranteed to be after that. I think I'm starting to understand how all the Yorick, Urgot, and Galio mains out there feel. [zombie-nunu-tears]

Chromatic Eagle22 votes

A year's wait is nothing compared to how those 3 feel.

Aatrox Mid 1v51 votes

{quoted}

Soon! Yorick will be sometime between now and the next new champion.

Is there anything happening with Aatrox? I know this is kinda being taken out of context but he is sitting in the same state poppy was before her rework. hes doing really bad right now but any attempt to buff him will most likely just make him broken. Also according to this: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/53l2tcJR-aatrox-released-nearly-two-years-has-received-only-one-major-update-which-gutted-him

"We don't want to just leave him as is for an indeterminate period of time" but that is still what happened to him. im not sure whats considered long term to you guys but I would consider more than a year to be enough for a long term goal. It seems to me you guys are avoiding this question.

RiotReav37 votes

I actually have answered this question quite a few times on the boards. Aatrox will be looked at when we do our Diver roster update. Currently Tanks & Divers are high on our priority list for our next roster projects.

Malicious Metal41 votes

Don't mind me. Just twirling thumbs and sharpening my pitchforks and pens for when the words Morde and Kaiser are whispered around Riot HQ

xXxAltaïrrxXx13 votes

Upvote this.Morde has a great theme, just need looks and abbilities to match that.

Solari Fortune38 votes

I feel Morgana and Kayle need updates Morg so she can stop being a walking tent and possibly more interaction with the enemy than Bind Pool Kayle could use a new look as well along with some kit changes and both need more than 6 lines

TheStevenFace6 votes

This, I agree with this [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

redfeenix21 votes

WALKING TENT LMFAO SO TRUEE

RiotReav352 votes

Yeah I actually think it would be really cool to do a duel update to Morgana & Kayle one day. Give Kayle a full VGU and then Morgana a matching VU and maybe small gameplay update (if that's even needed.) I think it would be impossible to update one without the other. They could also have a bunch of intertwining VO interactions.

Tomeksz3 votes

Do Yorick team already know what they will work at after Yorick?

RiotReav329 votes

We are getting pretty close on locking down a direction for the champion that is next for that team. If things go well we should be ready to talk about whats next for that team soon.

SlyTactician 11 votes

I'd appreciate a response, but how do you guys feel about Teemo Teemo right now? He's got an iconic kit (though unhealthy as well), but he's considered mostly a joke/troll pick as of now and despite being named as the "Swift Scout"- he really is pretty immobile as he little means to escape with his poor range, poor teamfight presence and little in combat mobility. The other scout champ Quinn does his job, but better honestly.

His model isn't the worse though he really does look like the "potato"-like models that most older yordle models resemble as well. Though I feel Teemo's kit could be better especially as a jungler perhaps.

He is a pretty iconic and old champ in League, so just curious if he might get a rework/update someday.

RiotReav325 votes

Teemo isn't super high on our list right now, but I can see us giving the little guy a full VGU one day!

Jhobi7 votes

quinns a girl

SlyTactician 16 votes

I'm aware - hence, "the other scout Quinn champ does his job, but better honestly." - but the "his" refers to Teemo, not Quinn as Teemo is also a scout. :)

scoobydoom210 votes

morg's E interacts a lot lol, as anybody utility based, morg can be scary, I can't tell you how many times I've seen a morg shield a thresh or a blitz hook. That being said, her ult is really cool, but seems kinda weird with the rest of her kit she definitely needs a teamfighting ult, but it feels a little lackluster as it doesn't really interact with the rest of her kit. Other supports with a lot of skirmish potential have ults that simultaneously cover a weak spot in the kit and fit in with it. Braum's ult gives him more instant cc and an effective way to stop assassins yet at the same time fits his stand behind theme, karma can gain more aoe shielding/speed/damage, and still feels kitey, bard can freeze as many people as can fit in his circle which also sets him up for his unique q, and more, but with morg being a more backline support, her frontline ult doesn't seem to fit. and it just doesn't seem like she can easily set it up without either her team initiating or flashing. I love morg, but this just feels a little akward (althought to be honest I haven't tried it with protobelt). Her passive also feels a little outdated, doesn't really fit well with her kit. Morg's basic abilities are great though, and its satisfying to both qw and to e whoever needs it. Sorry about the rant

TL;DR morg's basic abilities are cool but her ult and passive could use a little love.

Lord Pentaghast6 votes

I totally think a game event that focuses on these sisters would be great. Maybe Morgana's plan for vengeance isn't far off and Kayle has to stop her, and players can show their support for either side with Summoner Icons or special loading screen borders (temporary)

xXTHE X FILEXx9 votes

or maybe get at project skin?Shen

RiotReav335 votes

Trust me. I have been known to walk over to the skins team and beg them for project Shen. Hopefully they answer my prayers one day :)

ToysRUsGeoffrey9 votes

Nice to see a riot team member answering some questions. It's refreshing to see the company interacting with players. Any word on anything happening with Ekko soon? I know he just got a skin but I was curious if there was any changes or nerfs/buffs anytime soon?

RiotReav321 votes

We are looking into doing small work to Ekko for the Assassin update. It's not 100% certain at this point but is very likely.

Amityy6 votes

When will my baby Evelynn get a rework? She still hasn't fully recovered from her huge nerf she got so long ago.

RiotReav320 votes

I would be very surprised if we got through 2017 without a Evelynn VGU. She is actually sitting at #2 on the most requested for a VGU list.

TerraRising2 votes

{quoted}

I would be very surprised if we got through 2017 without a Evelynn VGU. She is actually sitting at #2 on the most requested for a VGU list.

So, what are the top three after Yorick?

Shadowkirby142 votes

Warwick, and possibly Urgot, unless they choose another champion.

TerraRising1 votes

{quoted}

Warwick, and possibly Urgot, unless they choose another champion.

Warwick's already on the list, and the article says it's because they found a theme for him.

I would figure Urgot, Evelynn and Galio as the top three, but I'd like to hear something directly from Reav3.

RiotReav311 votes

Urgot, Evelynn & Galio are all high priority for us. It really just depends if we find a really solid direction for them. If we were to find a really solid direction for any of those 3 champions we would 100% go into full production on them.

Sahn Uzal1 votes

You were propably expecting more questions, weren't you?

Idem for Mordekaiser? or is he more likely to wait another year?

Malicious Metal7 votes

Oi, asking about Morde's VGU is MY shtick!

gg git diff1 votes

I would love to see this list.

RiotReav38 votes

The list is constantly changing. We are always polling players on there thoughts about the champions in the game.

Darksunz1 votes

even if the list and poll change, u shouldnt change work plans,this is probsbly why you sre not geting any work done. i suggest making a poll, let people vote then close the poll on a dead line, other wise your work will never get done due to constant changes on tasks.

RiotReav33 votes

even if the list and poll change, u shouldnt change work plans,this is probsbly why you sre not geting any work done. i suggest making a poll, let people vote then close the poll on a dead line, other wise your work will never get done due to constant changes on tasks.

The poll doesn't cause us to change what we work on. Like I mentioned in the article the poll is only one reason of many we choose which champions we work on. Once we start work on a champion though we won't change it even if the poll does change. The only reason we would change from one champion to another is if we couldn't find a cool design/lore/art direction for a champion that we felt confident would be awesome.

NoOneCanStopMe255 votes

SO RIOT IS THINKING ABOUT REWORK IRELIA, YET URGOT IS NOT EVEN ON THE LIST.[zombie-brand-facepalm]

But in all seriousness they should just delete Urgot or completely revamp the character thematically because his abilities have almost nothing to do with his lore as an un-dead re-animated mechanized soldier. And his just weird to play and you as the player don't know what items to when he is between and a marksman and a bruiser.

RiotReav338 votes

Urgot is 100% on the list. He is very high priority for us as well.

Solidair31 votes

Speaking of which, you mentioned Eve is the #2 requested update. Would Urgot be number 1?

RiotReav339 votes

Well #1 is technically Yorick but I didn't include him since we are already working on him. The current list of champions players request VGUs for looks like this:

  1. Yorick
  2. Galio
  3. Evelynn
  4. Urgot

Its funny because Urgot was above Evelynn 6 months ago and Evelynn was like #6, but recently Evelynn has been rising higher and higher on the list.

Edit: Adding this since it seems there was some confusion based on the responses below

This is not the order of champions we are going to update, it is just the current list of champions requested by players based on our player survey data. This list is constantly changing but this is just where it was at when I posted this message.

DarkRitual29 votes

That updated Eve splash got her a lot of attention.

Du Ma Mi1 votes

Wait what happened to Warwick? As of a while ago I thought it was confirmed that he would be getting reworked (or at least updated) this year? Just curious if the plans maybe changed for the Wolfman?

RiotReav33 votes

We are currently working on Warwick, he should be the next one up after Yorick. That was not a lost of what order we are updating the champions in. It was just a list of the highest requested by players, if you read my whole answer I note many different reasons we update champions. I talk about Warwick a bit in it too.

The requested by player list also changes all the time, that's just what it looked like at the moment of me answering he question.

redfeenix1 votes

We are currently working on Warwick

You wont do a feedback thread for WW? C'mon WW deserves a Dev Corner thread too , not just the OP heroes...

RiotReav34 votes

You wont do a feedback thread for WW? C'mon WW deserves a Dev Corner thread too , not just the OP heroes...

We don't do the DevCorner posts on the big VGUs. So much changes with the big VGUs that a direction post wouldn't be super effective. It's hard to evaluate design direction without the lore/art changes for context as well. I will however, be going over the high level goals for Warwick in a up and coming Devblog later this month though. These will be the overall goals for Warwick (Art/design/lore), not just the design goals.

Karn Liberated4 votes

How high is Cho'Gath on your list for VGU's? I love the guy, but I can honestly say that his kit is very outdated, and his model is OK at best. Also, his gentleman skin doesn't have much in the way of new effects, do you have any plans to make that for fitting for the legendary price?

RiotReav310 votes

He's pretty high. He's not on the top of our list right now but definitely up there.

Tomeksz3 votes

How about Pantheon? I think he fits factor number 3.

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